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brandon
07-06-2004, 07:30 AM
I've been putting together a 'guide' but it's been coming along slow as I've been busy at work.

Pics are in the Member Pic forum if you're interested.

Still need to get my exhaust done and I'm still waiting on my pocketlogger to come in the mail.

I'm still 4G64 SOHC, auto tranny, and still using stock ECU (at least temporarily). Boosting 5-6 lbs MAX, and am very pleased with the added power.

Once I have the pocketlogger I'll be able to do some more tuning and get her running better. Right now the only issues I have are low/jumpy idle RPM and stalling after revs in park/neutral.

Any questions or comments, feel free.

brandon
07-06-2004, 01:05 PM
Looks like my post was moved, so... I have a 7G if you weren't aware. Thus the install guide I'm putting together will likely not apply to other gen Galants. Anyhow...

Here's the complete (well, for the most part at least) parts list:

Under the hood:
- 1G 14b turbo w/internal wastegate
- 2G exhaust manifold
- 2G O2 housing
- 2G downpipe
- 1G 14b j-pipe w/nipple
- 1G BOV
- 2G oil pan
- 2G SMIC
- 1G coolant lines (2)
- 2G oil return line
- RRE oil feed line (for a 2G)
- 450cc injectors
- 1G resistor pack
- 1G intake tube
- Gaskets: Head to exhaust manifold, exhaust manifold to turbo, turbo to O2 housing, O2 housing to downpipe, turbo to j-pipe, oil return line (you should get 2, one to turbo, one to oil pan… although I only had one and used this copper gasket sealer spray stuff on the pan side)
- IC piping (pre-bent or flexible radiator hose for both upper and lower)
- Flexible lower radiator hose – you need to replace it if you want the turbo inlet to be accessible
- Flexible 1 ½” pool hose to connect the BOV back to the intake tube
- Plug(s) for the extra hole(s) on the intake tube
- About 3 feet of 3/8” coolant hose (for your coolant lines)
- About 1 foot of 3/16” coolant hose or vacuum line (to connect wastegate to j-pipe)
- About 2 feet of 1/8” coolant hose or vacuum line (for your BOV to vacuum line)
- T-fittings (3/16” – 3/16” – 3/16” and 1/8” – 3/16” – 3/16”)
- Various sized hose clamps (for anywhere you have a hose)
- Various sized zip ties

Inside the car:
- Apex-I SAFC II
- 94-01 Acura Integra pillar pod
- Autometer Boost gauge
- Autometer Pyrometer (EGT)
- OBD-II pocketlogger (supposedly in the mail)

and...

Tools, Odds & Ends Required:

If you don’t have access to a good set of tools, stop right here. You’ll need a number of ratchets, sockets, open ends, extensions, swivel adapters, screwdrivers, pliers, wirecutters, electrical tape, tweezers, and a knife… More specifically, you’ll also want to have a drill and some good bits, a tap (follow the directions for your EGT gauge) a soldering gun / kit, O2 sensor socket (but make sure you get a good quality one if you use this instead of an open end), Oil pressure sender socket, torque wrench, and your two best friends – a breaker bar and some PB Blaster. You’ll also need a bunch of bolts and washers and all that good stuff to put everything together. I made about 10 trips to Home Depot… your best bet is to put all of your parts in a box and bring it to Home Depot with you and just test fit everything. Another option would be to buy a kit if you can find one. Some bolts you can re-use of course, but there are a number of new ones you’ll need. You’ll also need a couple of jacks and jackstands unless you have access to a lift.


Install guide will follow once I'm done writing it.

peanotation
07-06-2004, 01:10 PM
kind of un-related, but i'll assess the turbo list with questions later, how well did you get the integra pillar pod to fit? thanks

brandon
07-06-2004, 02:51 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(peanotation)</div><div class='quotemain'>kind of un-related, but i'll assess the turbo list with questions later, how well did you get the integra pillar pod to fit? thanks</div>

It actually fits pretty well just by jamming it behind the dash where it meets the pillar.

To make it fit better, I thought velcro would do, but it came out pretty crappy. The new plan is to screw it into the pillar so it'll fit a bit more snug.

Worth the $10-$15 I paid for it though... much cheaper than buying one of those replacement 3-gauge pillars on ebay.

HeadAche
07-06-2004, 05:33 PM
Very nice B, know i gues if anyone needs to know what they have to aquire to boost, there it is..damn good job..

underated
08-23-2004, 02:43 AM
what kind of hose did you use for the upper and lower intercooler piping and what size and how did you connect it. im using a 14b turbo too along with a starion intercooler and 1g bov mounted to the stock pipe i dont really want to shell out the money steel pipng so it would really help me out

brandon
08-23-2004, 07:20 AM
Flexible radiator hose for the lower, a pre-bent hose going to the stock 1G BOV pipe, then to some plumbing adapters and an exhaust pipe to the TB. I used pool hose to connect the BOV back to the intake.

You can see the pics in my signature link.

seth98esT
08-24-2004, 10:18 AM
So why did you use a pool hose for the bov return line? Flexible? DIdnt your auto parts store have a hose in the right size diameter?

brandon
08-24-2004, 10:57 AM
Peeped around Pep Boys but couldn't find anything that would work... The pool hose was super flexible and the size was close enough so that with clamps it'd fit. I forget what size I bought though... got it from Home Depot.

I needed something that would flex w/o crimping as you can tell by this pic:

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/411000-411999/411887_30_full.jpg

seth98esT
08-24-2004, 11:13 AM
Dang dude thats a looooong return line. Mines going to be like 4" From the dump tube https://www.thegalantcenter.org/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif

You should invest in a FMIC and have an exhaust shop make you some short route piping.

brandon
08-24-2004, 01:25 PM
I plan on switching to a FMIC and getting the piping (either something similar to yours or getting it custom done), but I'm lacking the funds to do that for awhile.

Once that does happen though, I'll have a flange welded for a Greddy Type S BOV I have sitting in my house and make sure the connection is much shorter. I'll also be able to put the battery and coolant overflow back to their stock locations too.

Now that you've got me thinking about it, I guess it's time to start saving. https://www.thegalantcenter.org/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif

Jet Black
08-26-2004, 06:51 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(peanotation)</div><div class='quotemain'>kind of un-related, but i'll assess the turbo list with questions later, how well did you get the integra pillar pod to fit? thanks</div>

Do i smell a turbo project on the way? :twisted: (you best say yes or else...Titan's mom will drop her Saturday night freebies).

BTW Brandon, great work man. Good to see another turbo galant (its times like these i wish i had the i4 instead of the v6 :roll: ). Also hows your a/f looking?

brandon
08-27-2004, 07:21 AM
I've been able to get my A/F close to zero when the throttle is open at every RPM range, but whenever I let off the throttle I'm running crazy rich.

I'm gonna pull all the IC piping apart this weekend and just make absolutely sure there are no leaks.

underated
09-03-2004, 12:27 AM
hey B how did you get the wastegate to boost 5-6 psi if i could do that then i could send back my tial wastegate

brandon
09-03-2004, 07:28 AM
Wastegate spring is set to 9psi I believe on the 14b, so the only way to hold at 5-6psi is to keep an eye on your gauge and resist the urge to floor it. https://www.thegalantcenter.org/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif

underated
09-03-2004, 03:19 PM
haha ic i think id be better off with the external wastegate then thanks for the info tho man

2000GTZ
09-07-2004, 06:04 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jet Black)</div><div class='quotemain'>i wish i had the i4 instead of the v6</div>

noo dont say things like that. stand proud. https://www.thegalantcenter.org/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif

Ryan4g64
09-12-2004, 10:45 PM
do you have a intake tube from a eclispe too or just use the galant one?

brandon
09-13-2004, 07:33 AM
do you have a intake tube from a eclispe too or just use the galant one?

I am using the 1G Eclipse tube I believe. It has an extra nipple to recirculate the BOV, the Galant one doesn't (plus I believe the outlet size is different).

seth98esT
10-16-2004, 03:24 PM
Finally got my flange welded on. Heres where my BOV lays. Rather nice fitment if you ask me. Just hafta cut the dump tube a bit and Im set.
http://img92.exs.cx/img92/5885/DSCF0142.th.jpg ('http://img92.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img92&image=DSCF0142.jpg')
http://img101.exs.cx/img101/3959/DSCF114.th.jpg ('http://img101.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img101&image=DSCF114.jpg')

brandon
10-18-2004, 07:44 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(seth98esT)</div><div class='quotemain'>Finally got my flange welded on. *Heres where my BOV lays. *Rather nice fitment if you ask me. *Just hafta cut the dump tube a bit and Im set.
http://img92.exs.cx/img92/5885/DSCF0142.th.jpg ('http://img92.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img92&image=DSCF0142.jpg')
http://img101.exs.cx/img101/3959/DSCF114.th.jpg ('http://img101.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img101&image=DSCF114.jpg')</div>

I need to re-fit some things so my BOV sits closer to the intake tube. Yours is nice and close.

ken inn
10-18-2004, 08:19 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(brandon)</div><div class='quotemain'>I've been able to get my A/F close to zero when the throttle is open at every RPM range, but whenever I let off the throttle I'm running crazy rich. *

I'm gonna pull all the IC piping apart this weekend and just make absolutely sure there are no leaks.</div>

is your bov routed back into the intake? it not, it is expelling air that has already been counted by the mas, and fuel has been added for it. so, when you lift and it opens, the mixture goes rich, and the motor dies. you cannot compensate for it with the afc.

brandon
10-18-2004, 08:54 AM
Yep, got it routed back into the intake tube... the only thing I keep thinking is because the dump tract back to the intake is so long it might be an issue (or I have a leak somewhere).

After raising the idle a bit I don't stall anymore, but still run super rich when letting off the gas.

I've talked to a few other people who seem to think it's normal... but dropping down to the 600RPM range doesn't seem too normal to me...

ken inn
10-18-2004, 02:46 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(brandon)</div><div class='quotemain'>Yep, got it routed back into the intake tube... the only thing I keep thinking is because the dump tract back to the intake is so long it might be an issue (or I have a leak somewhere).

After raising the idle a bit I don't stall anymore, but still run super rich when letting off the gas. *

I've talked to a few other people who seem to think it's normal... but dropping down to the 600RPM range doesn't seem too normal to me...</div>

just to be sure, it has to be routed back in AFTER the mas, iow, btwn the mas and the t/bdy.

brandon
10-18-2004, 03:16 PM
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/411000-411999/411887_30_full.jpg

:wink:

brandon
03-29-2005, 12:41 PM
Hey guys,

I finished up a quick "install guide" as a few of you have requested it. So here goes:

The information below can be used as a guide to installing a turbo on your 4G64 powered 7G Galant. The parts list is only what I used… many of these parts are interchangeable with others (1G/2G/GVR4/aftermarket), but should help you in getting a basic idea. I will gladly answer any questions I can, but there are tons of resources and information out there, namely in the 4G64 Forums on Yahoo. DO YOUR RESEARCH before taking on a project like this. Installing a turbo is a long and painful process, and involves a lot of time, money, and effort. I strongly recommend you have someone (or a couple of someones) help you while working on most of the installation. They can also help keep you sane when things start to go wrong. Anyway, here ya go…

NOTE: I am in no way responsible for anything that may or may not go wrong with your vehicle based on this guide. Also note that this is NOT a step-by-step all-inclusive tutorial. A lot is based on common sense and figuring things out as you go. The information below may not be in proper order, so be sure to read through the entire guide before beginning, and again, use your judgment in figuring out what needs to be done first. Trial and error should be expected!

Parts List

Under the hood:
- 1G 14b turbo w/internal wastegate
- 2G exhaust manifold
- 2G O2 housing
- 2G downpipe
- 1G 14b j-pipe w/nipple
- 1G BOV
- 2G oil pan
- 2G SMIC
- 1G coolant lines (2)
- 2G oil return line
- RRE oil feed line (for a 2G)
- 450cc injectors
- 1G resistor pack
- 1G intake tube
- Gaskets: Head to exhaust manifold, exhaust manifold to turbo, turbo to O2 housing, O2 housing to downpipe, turbo to j-pipe, oil return line (you should get 2, one to turbo, one to oil pan… although I only had one and used this copper gasket sealer spray stuff on the pan side)
- IC piping (pre-bent or flexible radiator hose for both upper and lower)
- Flexible lower radiator hose – you need to replace it if you want the turbo inlet to be accessible
- Flexible 1 ½” pool hose to connect the BOV back to the intake tube
- Plug for the extra hole on the intake tube
- About 3 feet of 3/8” coolant hose (for your coolant lines)
- About 1 foot of 3/16” coolant hose or vacuum line (for your wastegate to j-pipe)
- About 2 feet of 1/8” coolant hose or vacuum line (for your BOV to vacuum line)
- T-fittings (3/16” – 3/16” – 3/16” and 1/8” – 3/16” – 3/16”)
- Various sized hose clamps (for anywhere you have a hose)
- Various sized zip ties

Inside the car:
Apex-I SAFC II
94-01 Acura Integra pillar pod
Autometer Boost gauge
Autometer Pyrometer (EGT)

Tools, Odds & Ends Required

If you don’t have access to a good set of tools, stop right here. You’ll need a number of ratchets, sockets, open ends, extensions, swivel adapters, screwdrivers, pliers, wirecutters, electrical tape, tweezers, and a knife… More specifically, you’ll also want to have a drill and some good bits, a tap (follow the directions for your EGT gauge) a soldering gun / kit, O2 sensor socket (but make sure you get a good quality one if you use this instead of an open end), Oil pressure sender socket, torque wrench, and your two best friends – a breaker bar and some PB Blaster. You’ll also need a bunch of bolts and washers and all that good stuff to put everything together. I made about 10 trips to Home Depot… your best bet is to put all of your parts in a box and bring it to Home Depot with you and just test fit everything. Another option would be to buy a kit if you can find one. Some bolts you can re-use of course, but there are a number of new ones you’ll need. You’ll also need a couple of jacks and jackstands unless you have access to a lift.

The process

NOTE: DISCONNECT THE BATTERY BEFORE DOING ANYTHING!

The order you choose to do everything is pretty much up to you, but I’d recommend getting the non-turbo stuff out of the way first. Start by installing your AFC (Seth posted a tutorial here), re-wiring your fuel pump (see http://www.vfaq.com) ('http://www.vfaq.com)'), and installing your gauges and gauge pod inside the car (they should come with directions).

You then should install your new injectors and wire in the resistor pack. For wiring, you can follow Rob (Jip)’s 2G ECU swap tutorial (http://jipownz.topcities.com/). I used his info from this post also:

“Cut the black/red stripe wires on the injectors. The resistor pack will have 4 wires the same color and 1 wire of a different color, connect the ECU side of the injector black/red wire that you cut, all 4 of them to the 1 different colored wire of the resistor pack. Take each of the 4 same colored wires from the pack and connect 1 each to each black/red wire on the injector harness itself.”

The resistor pack should be mounted somewhere on the firewall… just don’t use one of the grounding ones. Once you have the injectors and resistor pack installed you should set your AFC to –35% across the board (you’re going from 275cc to 450cc). Make sure you’re not spitting fuel all over the place and you should be good to go.

Now you can start ripping everything apart. Remember to break out the PB Blaster and your breaker bar, you’re going to need them. Jack up the car as high as you can on both sides of the front, and get those jackstands under there (hopefully they won’t stay there as long as mine did).

Remove your intake if you haven’t already. Go ahead and remove your battery and battery tray (if you still have it …I didn’t). Remove your front bumper. Basically just get everything that might be in the way, out of the way.

Now is just as good a time as any to drain your oil and coolant also.

You’ll want to remove the 1st O2 sensor before removing any of the exhaust. I didn’t and ended up having to buy an O2 socket, stripping both the O2 sensor bolt and the socket itself, and luckily having my parts car to grab a sensor from. If you get under the car with an open end (7/8” I believe), you should be able to get that sucker off (you get good leverage from being able to push up on the car). Once you get it out you might as well disconnect it from the sensor and put it aside for later so that it’s out of the way.

Now you can start removing your exhaust parts. Your best bet is probably to disconnect from the back forward. A lot of the bolts to the hangers will probably be quite rusted so again make sure to give em a good soak with the PB Blaster. As for the last bends and muffler section, I used a Sawz-all because the last few bolts are really hard to get at.

Disconnect the downpipe and your whole exhaust should then come off the car. Now you can take off the exhaust manifold and gasket.

By now you should be looking at a pretty empty engine bay.

Time to take off the oil pan… there are a ton of bolts and you’ll need a small ratchet and a decent length extension to get at all of them. Just take your time and be sure not to strip any. Once you have all the bolts out you’ll have to give a good yank on it (or pry) to get it off. Things get pretty messy around here so make sure you have a lot of towels handy.

You’re almost done with the removal process. Now you need to get out the peskiest part of it all, the oil filter housing plug. For this you’ll need a torch to heat up the area and a 5/16” allen wrench (if you can find a good quality one it will really make life easier). Heat up the bolt and area for a good couple of minutes and see if you can get it to budge. Repeat the process until that sucker finally breaks loose.

Onto the installation process…

Might as well start with the oil pan… you’ll need to have some RTV/silicone to smear over the top in order to make sure you won’t have leaks, and bolt it back up (even harder than getting the damn thing off, but be patient, DO NOT STRIP BOLTS!).

Next you can install the new exhaust manifold (you should have drilled for the EGT gauge already and hopefully had the rest of it installed so you can just “plug” it in). Make sure you have your gasket on first and then install the turbo manifold over it. You should be using a torque wrench for all this mind you.

Assemble the turbo, oil feed line, oil return line, coolant lines (metal sections only at this point), and O2 housing (might as well have the O2 sensor in there also) together as one piece before bolting onto the manifold.

Next you can bolt on the downpipe to the O2 housing.

From here you have options (as you pretty much do for the order of everything involved). I’d suggest installing the oil lines here. The return line attached to the bottom of the turbo of course bolts to the oil pan. You should get some sort of bonding spray to reduce the risk of leaking. Spray it on the flange and bolt as quickly as you can.

The feed line is a tough one. The angle of entry into the oil filter housing is awkward, and you’ll be 99% certain you’re crossthreading the fitting, but so long as you get those first few threads down you can go from there. The hard part is tightening it enough. If I remember correctly I went about 3 ½ or 4 full turns (after breaking a set of channel locks and nearly breaking my head open). Once you have the fitting in you can attach the rest of the line and then zip tie it to the radiator fan brackets so it’s out of the way.

Next you can finish off the coolant lines to the turbo. You’ll need to buy some coolant hose to extend from the metal lines to the throttle body and to the block. Again, you’ll need a lot of towels for when you remove the existing coolant lines from the block and TB, as they will start spewing like crazy despite the fact you already drained the coolant from the radiator. Try to plug them up as quickly as you can with your new rubber lines to avoid a gigantic mess.

Now, you should already have your battery and tray out of the way, but the next steps are dependent on whether or not you’re using a SMIC or FMIC setup. For the SMIC setup, you have to remove all of the emissions garbage that’s located near your horn, under your passenger side headlight. This includes the charcoal canister and some other box IIRC. Try and follow the lines and see where they would recirculate. If you can, recirculate them in a similar fashion minus the canister, or you can just have them release to the atmosphere (of course you might not pass inspection in your state if they check for these things). You’ll also have to do some cutting into the area near the fenderwell in order to get the upper IC piping to go from the TB to the top of the SMIC. You’ll want to mount the SMIC in whatever fashion suits you best, there’s a lot of test fitting and such to be determined here. There are a handful of existing holes in the fender that can be used to bolt her up in there. Cutting your bumper may also be involved depending on which one you have. After you have the SMIC lined up, you can attach the upper and lower IC piping (you’ll also want to install the j-pipe to connect the lower IC piping… make sure you have the gasket!). Note, you want your BOV to be as close to where your intake will be, so you can recirculate. Actually, you may want to install the intake prior to installing your IC piping or at least test fitting to be sure of where you’re going to put everything. Also note that the stock lower radiator hose will be in the way of the intake to the turbo, if not your lower IC piping. You’ll need to install a flexible radiator hose in place of it. Things will get to be a tight squeeze but you should be able to do it using some creativity.

Once you have everything installed you can put your oil and coolant back in and you should be ready to test her out.

Prior to doing so, disconnect the plug on your distributor and crank her a few times for about 5-10 seconds each time so that you get oil and coolant flowing through the turbo. Put the plug back in and start it up. Let it run for awhile and check EVERYWHERE for leaks. If you see something leaking or smoking, turn it off and make any corrections necessary. Once you’ve got all that squared away you can risk the drive to an exhaust shop to have them put a bigger exhaust on, or you can call AAA and have them tow your car there.

After that it’s all about tuning and having fun.

I’m hoping I didn’t leave too much out of this, but again, if you have any questions at all feel free to email me and I’ll be happy to help.

[email protected]

-Brandon Rousseau

95mitsu03
03-29-2005, 12:54 PM
you rock brandon :twisted:

DryBear
03-29-2005, 01:03 PM
Nice job!

Presuming you have all the correct tools and parts, how much time would you estimate to install everything?

brandon
03-29-2005, 01:44 PM
Can be done easily in a weekend so long as you have an extra set of hands. Most of it is pretty self explanitory... making sure you have the right tools and all the parts you'll need is the real task at hand. :wink:

peanotation
03-29-2005, 10:01 PM
you are awesome. answered some questions i had.

what's your opinion on cooling the oil?

8G_GTZ
03-29-2005, 10:19 PM
you are deffinately my fav. person right now. if you could when you're not busy, could you take pics of some "detail areas". something like where the "close spots" are, and oil/coolant lines run, etc.? also mounting the intercooler and such? thanks so much. you are a big inspiration to a lot of us, seriously.

steve

sabzi5858
03-29-2005, 11:23 PM
Yep, got it routed back into the intake tube... the only thing I keep thinking is because the dump tract back to the intake is so long it might be an issue (or I have a leak somewhere).

After raising the idle a bit I don't stall anymore, but still run super rich when letting off the gas.

I've talked to a few other people who seem to think it's normal... but dropping down to the 600RPM range doesn't seem too normal to me...

sounds like a boost leak. i had the same problem early on. make a boost leak tester and spray soapy water anywhere there can be a leak and test it out.

oh yeah, good job on the write-up. i didn't get to read through all of it, but it seems to be good.

brandon
03-30-2005, 07:35 AM
Yep, got it routed back into the intake tube... the only thing I keep thinking is because the dump tract back to the intake is so long it might be an issue (or I have a leak somewhere).

After raising the idle a bit I don't stall anymore, but still run super rich when letting off the gas.

I've talked to a few other people who seem to think it's normal... but dropping down to the 600RPM range doesn't seem too normal to me...

sounds like a boost leak. i had the same problem early on. make a boost leak tester and spray soapy water anywhere there can be a leak and test it out.

oh yeah, good job on the write-up. i didn't get to read through all of it, but it seems to be good.

DOHCSTUNR had mentioned fuel pressure could also be the reason for this. In the next couple months or sooner I'm going to work in an AFPR and see if it helps also.

Wouldn't be surprised if there's a boost leak though, so I'll definitely check that. There's a write up on VFAQ on how to make one, right?

brandon
03-30-2005, 07:46 AM
Also... haven't done anything regarding oil cooling. Peano, were you thinking about adding an aftermarket oil cooler?

As for pics, I will do my best to steal away my buddy's camera and take some more up close stuff.

Thanks for the responses!

sabzi5858
03-30-2005, 11:23 AM
hmm, i didn't think about fuel pressure, although i suppose that is a possibilty. but if you are on the stock fuel pump still, you shouldn't have any problems with that unless something is wrong. yeah, vfaq has a writeup on making a boost leak tester.

for oil cooling, if you use a '90 oil filter housing, you can hook it up directly to an oil-air cooler. i used a b&m cooler for this. if you have a different housing, you can probably use an oil filter relocation kit and send oil through an air cooler like that. i would advise against using the water/oil cooler though, as people tend to have problems with them ( http://www.vfaq.com/mods/oilcool.html ('http://www.vfaq.com/mods/oilcool.html') ). if you do get one of those, make sure you torque the oil filter on properly every time.

peanotation
03-30-2005, 11:52 AM
Also... haven't done anything regarding oil cooling. Peano, were you thinking about adding an aftermarket oil cooler?

well i have my auto tranny cooler still in the car, and i was thinking of hooking that up as an oil cooler. then i thought about how much of a fucking nightmare it's going to be, and i'm in limbo right now.

cballz 12
04-20-2005, 07:40 PM
end price tag ?? Guess?? And was it worth it / happy with the power u gained?

brandon
04-21-2005, 07:17 AM
With everything (tools, parts, exhaust), it probably came to around $1700 or so.

Absolutely worth it... and as an FYI went from a 17.9 with no mods to a 15.3 turbo, untuned and with a load of luggage in my trunk.

youngcs
04-21-2005, 08:43 AM
how does your car run in terms of gas mileage. I know how expensive gas is right now and right now I basically have all the tools (excluding safc, downpipe, and fuel pump) to do a 4g63t swap or a just turboing my own engine. Which would you do knowing that your current engine has about 90,000 miles on it? So far have you had any major problems??

peanotation
04-21-2005, 12:43 PM
haha, the only turboed 7G i've been in (pushing about 275hp at the time) was horrible with gas mileage. you could watch the needle move down the second you started the car just sitting and idling.

i can't wait for that https://www.thegalantcenter.org/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif

brandon
04-21-2005, 01:31 PM
If I got the car properly tuned or did some real tuning myself I'm sure the gas mileage wouldn't be too bad. If you're not boosting your gas mileage is typically going to be better than if you were N/A.

Regardless of mileage, if your motor is in good shape then go for it. Get it tested and go from there.

275hp? The blue dragon?

youngcs
04-21-2005, 01:47 PM
yeah, I knew my gas milage would have to go down but I just wanted to know what it would be like since that car is also my daily driving car, it would be a BI to be fillin up the gas tank every day. So which would you do, 4g63t or 4g64t given that you have enough of the material needed to do any of them.

DOHCstunr
04-21-2005, 01:59 PM
the 4g63t swap is much more involved, but you can make a lot more power using the eclipse ecu, and engine. much less tuning required too. if you want to make serious power on your 4g64 you should plan on rebuilding the bottom end. if you just want a smaller but significant power boost, just boost your stock motor.
if you use the 4g63t and ecu, you are going to get pretty damn good mileage. mine seems to be much better than before. mostly due to the engine being much smaller. but i'm clearly refering to highway and non boosted driving. but if i want to burn some fuel, i just open it up and watch the gas go. but at 13psi the gas really doesn't go that quick. i bet sabzi can burn some fuel with his monster hairdryer.

but if you want to go 4g63, make sure you are really ready to do it and ready to embark on a journey. by the time you are done, you will be able to do anything with a car(except building block and tranny internals).
but like i said, make sure you know what you are getting into. $ goes quick

youngcs
04-21-2005, 04:15 PM
OH I'm ready, lol. My only problem is findin a reliable mechanic, or atleast that is willing to do the job.. Those types is rare around my way. I would do it myself but i dont have the tools necessary and im not to shure i would eva finish it either

peanotation
05-06-2005, 11:48 PM
note on installing 450cc injectors with resistor pack: i put my in today and ran into a problem. on the side of the injectors there is a "+" sign inside a circle. i assumed that this meant that side of the injector's prong was the positive 12v lead. WRONG. the positive side of the injector that you will be tapping into for the resistor pack is the black wire with red stripe on the driver's side of each installed injector.

i wired up my injector the other way around, tapping into the ground wires for the resistor pack. this makes up for a non-starting car and some panicking.

interesting side note. i pulled the fuse for my fuel pump and with my incorrectly wired resistor pack, had the car running for a full minute with no fuel pump. i put my ear to it to make sure, sure it enough, it was completely off.

Blue Ice
05-25-2005, 11:32 AM
on the oil pan and smic does it matter which gen you get, 1g or 2g?

brandon
05-25-2005, 01:02 PM
IIRC you need a 2G pan because of the bolt pattern or clearance...

IC doesn't matter... you can use any IC from any car really.

krazienluv10
05-30-2005, 02:58 PM
good job brandon on the tutorial...

peanotation
06-09-2005, 05:46 AM
some things i'd like to throw in, if you don't mind

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Go ahead and remove your battery and battery tray</div>

i relocated my battery to the trunk, the turbo's intake pipe + mas + filter reaches all the way to my fender. literally only 1/2" from the tip of the filter to the fender. no way you're fitting a battery there.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Now is just as good a time as any to drain your oil and coolant also. </div>

i didn't drain the coolant 'till i realized i had to. one word: disaster. do it ahead of time.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>You’ll want to remove the 1st O2 sensor before removing any of the exhaust.</div>

i actually unplugged the o2 sensor (plugs into the harness right under the starter) and then i dropped the down pipe. i had to use a huge wrench to get the fucker off. no way it was gonna happen with the downpipe still on the car.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Now you need to get out the peskiest part of it all, the oil filter housing plug.</div>

omfg. i had to whip out my 24" breaker bar and plug in a 5/16" allen wrench socket. i swore i was gonna break something pushing on that thing. it finally *snapped* lose.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Assemble the turbo, oil feed line, oil return line, coolant lines </div>

i built the turbo/o2 housing/j-pipe assembly outside of the car. it makes it a lot easier since you can just bring it up underneath and bolt up the turbo the exhaust manifold. a better idea would have been to bolt it to the ehxaust manifold as well outside of the car. i had some tight fitment issues with the wrench when i was bolting the turbo to the exhaust manifold. might have been my tubular exhaust manifold.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Next you can bolt on the downpipe to the O2 housing.</div>

don't paint the o2 housing. 1500* paint doesn't work. it was burnt off after 3 days.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>The return line attached to the bottom of the turbo of course bolts to the oil pan.</div>

don't use an OEM return line. get a silicone or braided one from turbochargers.com or DSMotorsport. don't ask, just do it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>The angle of entry into the oil filter housing is awkward, and you’ll be 99% certain you’re crossthreading the fitting, but so long as you get those first few threads down you can go from there. </div>

i concur. i must've asked brandon about this 10 times before i actually went and did it. you will keep saying to yourself over and over "this isn't right" but just get it in good. i put it in 2 full revolutions past the point when it got hard to turn.

brandon
06-09-2005, 07:09 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(peanotation)</div><div class='quotemain'>some things i'd like to throw in, if you don't mind

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Go ahead and remove your battery and battery tray</div>

i relocated my battery to the trunk, the turbo's intake pipe + mas + filter reaches all the way to my fender. literally only 1/2" from the tip of the filter to the fender. no way you're fitting a battery there.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>You’ll want to remove the 1st O2 sensor before removing any of the exhaust.</div>

i actually unplugged the o2 sensor (plugs into the harness right under the starter) and then i dropped the down pipe. i had to use a huge wrench to get the fucker off. no way it was gonna happen with the downpipe still on the car.</div>

Just a couple things in response to peano's comments...

If you don't want to relocate your battery to the trunk, you can just have the intake curve toward the firewall like mine. You will have to do some cutting and fabricating, and relocate your coolant overflow, but it works:

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/411000-411999/411887_31_full.jpg

In regards to the O2 sensor, if you jack the car up you have a clear shot at the O2... just need to use a big open end (I forget the exact size), and you can use the ground as leverage to push up on it to get that sucker off (it's tough). If the downpipe is off the car, the leverage isn't there... just my 2 cents.

Thanks peano for the added notes!

Mindless
06-09-2005, 09:41 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(brandon)</div><div class='quotemain'>IIRC you need a 2G pan because of the bolt pattern or clearance...

IC doesn't matter... you can use any IC from any car really.</div>

Why can't you just tap the stock oil pan? Just wondering.

peanotation
06-09-2005, 01:23 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mindless)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(brandon)</div><div class='quotemain'>IIRC you need a 2G pan because of the bolt pattern or clearance...

IC doesn't matter... you can use any IC from any car really.</div>

Why can't you just tap the stock oil pan? Just wondering.</div>

you can do that, i talked to someone who did, forgot their name though.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>n regards to the O2 sensor, if you jack the car up you have a clear shot at the O2... just need to use a big open end (I forget the exact size), and you can use the ground as leverage to push up on it to get that sucker off (it's tough). If the downpipe is off the car, the leverage isn't there... just my 2 cents. </div>

see i tried to get it off down there, but it wasn't happening. so i pulled the downpipe out, and i actually had to use a breaker bar to get my o2 sensor to budge. and it was a huge wrench, i think 19mm or 21mm

lonestar22
12-14-2005, 11:55 PM
can u bolt a 1g 2g manifold to a 8g 4g64

DOHCstunr
12-15-2005, 08:13 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(lonestar22)</div><div class='quotemain'>can u bolt a 1g 2g manifold to a 8g 4g64</div>

this thread is for a 7g turbo install.

Galanttuner10
11-13-2008, 11:46 PM
i know this is years after the fact but i happened to come across his car and i didnt realize he lices basically down the street from me

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/411887

but it does help wit the install im gonna take a few tips from here

4-G-rim
11-14-2008, 06:11 AM
Yah..thats Brandon, the 1st 7g on these boards to turbo a 4G64 back in the day.

Galanttuner10
07-30-2009, 12:30 AM
i was just rereading everything and now i have one question.. peano y not use the OEM return line???

phizzalot
07-30-2009, 08:21 PM
You have to have the oem 2g eclipse Gst stock oil pan to reuse the stock oil return line...

Galanttuner10
07-31-2009, 01:10 AM
You have to have the oem 2g eclipse Gst stock oil pan to reuse the stock oil return line...

i have the 2g oil pan and im going to get an oem 1