time to decide...pros vs. cons

[Cali]

ok guys im finally starting ready to put together my "performance" package, but i've stumbled across a few options and i'd like some GOOD reasons as to why i would benefit from these options. (please, no "i like this better because it's cool" opinions....im looking for cost vs. gains answers :

options:
1) turbo the 6g72 (yes, internals would be done)
2)Rippmods route (same, internals done)
3) JDM swap...vr4 6a13tt (just fwd)
4) Evo 8 engine swap. (complete transfer over, ecu, etc.)

keep in mind that i have a v6 in there. hopefully, this thread will become informative and help others decide in the future.

just some info i got on these options:
1)turboing the 6g72 would difficult, but i retain the same harness, ecu...need piggyback or standalone (greddy?)
2) good system....seems reliable, easy to intall..not very easy to adjust to make more power...most common route. (i tend to like to be different but...
3) the 6a13tt seems to be a direct bolt in as far as dropping it in...having the full wiring harness and ecu would give me an advantage...basis for making numbers later but no real hp gains to begin...worried about fitting bigger turbo between engine and firewall (stock ones are tiny)
4) havent researched much yet...direct drop in? (probably not, will talk to clay) benefit of numerous parts, easy to work on instead of a v6..very decent numbers with stock setup (stock harness and ecu)

opinons? https://www.thegalantcenter.org/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif

[Insane99]

Evo 4-8 are a direct swap. You will need the ecu and an I4 tranny so it will bolt to the tranny. If you go that route go manual. 8) Price to gain im not real sure which is the best. Since you like to be original you should do the evo swap and fully build the motor and upgrade the turbo. Not too many daily driven fully built evo motors floatin around. Especially not in a G. And an evo motor is capable of INSANE hp. It would be the highest hp setup (with mods). Oh and speaking of clay, what the hell happened to him? Havent seen him in here in a looooong time.

[brandon]

Clay posts quite regularly on the 'other' forum.

He's been working on his VR4 as of late.

[seth98esT]

Evo 4-8 are a direct swap. You will need the ecu and an I4 tranny so it will bolt to the tranny. If you go that route go manual. 8) Price to gain im not real sure which is the best. Since you like to be original you should do the evo swap and fully build the motor and upgrade the turbo. Not too many daily driven fully built evo motors floatin around. Especially not in a G. And an evo motor is capable of INSANE hp. It would be the highest hp setup (with mods). Oh and speaking of clay, what the hell happened to him? Havent seen him in here in a looooong time.

You dont need to do internals on an Evo engine unless you want numbers surpassing 500whp. Stock internals are good for at least that.

IMO First of all, I would do a 5spd swap, no matter which option you choose. Then I would choose option 1) or 4) depending on how much money you want to spend. Im a turbo guy, not s/c and I like to build my own setups. If you had the money and the downtime required for the Evo 4-8 swap then I would do that. I like 4cyl engines better then v6. Smaller, lighter, easier to work on, just as capable to make power if not more.

[TWISTED II]

i would go the route...i was going to go in, lol. twin turbo. you like being different https://www.thegalantcenter.org/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif basically, build up the internals first. then, i would do a 5 spd swap. benefit from that, is you can run the AEM EMS, which you couldn't on the auto since AEM only makes one for the eclipse V6 5spd. RPW has been wanting to prototype their TTs for the aussie cars into the USDM V6. i was supposed to fab 2 kits to work, send one back, and keep one. only thing is, they wanted me to pay for my kit.....which i thought was crazy considering i was going to have to fab 2 TT kits and then they would make bank off them. and, they were giving me 2 months to fit the 2 kits on my car, mail one back to them, and have my car running and boosted and tuned and in atlanta for NOPI, haha. (still had the motor out, torn apart) needless to say, i passed. but, you could contact RPW and see if they would still be interested in working something out. maybe you'll have better luck working out a deal than i did. the SDS is cool, but it just seems......hmm. i dunno, that part is more of a personal preference. in any event.....think: Vrrrrrrrrrrrr PSSHhhhhh :wink:

[ChikagoGTZ]

Cali,

One thing about your ride is that it is still a GALANT inside and out. Secondly, you are unique in every aspect. I say you should stick with the V6, but work on something that is not done yet. Perhaps a sheet metal intake and custom TT set up on a JDM exhaust manifold, but I dont think you should remove the Galant engine and add an Evo. Yes, this will be proven power, but nothing you have done is proven until you did it.

SDS on the otherhand is easy, reliable, and abundant...not your style to be following the trend. https://www.thegalantcenter.org/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif

Best of Luck!!

Dave

[Insane99]

[Quote]You dont need to do internals on an Evo engine unless you want numbers surpassing 500whp. Stock internals are good for at least that.

Stock evo will not hold 500 hp for very long. You can run between 350 and 400 for about 2 years RELIABLY. But yeah, build that thing for 600hp :twisted: .

[seth98esT]

o, I figure since 2g 4g63t are capable of 450whp and 1g 6bolts are capable of 500whp then the Evo 4-8 motor would be just as capable. I thought they were stronger then the 1g/2g motors.

[Insane99]

Oh they are more than capable. But if you want to run it daily for a long time you have to upgrade some internals. Hell, fully built they can make 900+hp :twisted: .

[Cali]

a 5 speed swap is a definite...that'd definetly gonna happen...however, wouldnt it be easier to just drop an evo 8 engine with a manual tranny instead of getting a different tranny seperate? anybody know if there would be fitment issues? basically, i like the idea of having a i4 instead of v6 due to the fact that i would be doing most of the basic work myself and all of us know that it's a lot easier to work on a i4 than v6. plus, the fact that the 4g63t has TONS of aftermarket support doenst hurt....it's also a lot cheaper to buy internals for a 4 banger than a 6....so right now i think im leaning towards option 4 right now....i've seen a couple places where i can get the evo tranny, the engine, AND AWD drivetrain, ecu, harness..etc..for 5g's.

out of curiosity, anybody think a awd conversion is fesabile?

[seth98esT]

The only problem I see with the evo tranny is the axles. Stock i4 axles may work. But if the spline count is off or they are too short you will have to get custom axles made which is around $300. But overall I would have to say that the Evo swap > 6a13tt just due to the fact that spare parts will not be a pain to locate.

[ChikagoGTZ]

AWD would only be possible if everything for the rear drive was in place on our USDM chassis....plus alot of AWD conversions have problems mounting the rear end and the gas tank usually needs to be replaced...I dont think it's gonna be a simple feat my friend. Also, you'll most likely need a custom rear driveshaft (Another thing you can get in CF!!!) Since the evo one's prolly not the right length, and those need to be exact....sounds like a mess to me. https://www.thegalantcenter.org/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif

[DrewPinoy85]

http://www.galantforums.com/phpBB2/viewtop...?t=4695&start=0 ('http://www.galantforums.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4695&start=0')
http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/668691 ('http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/668691')
-VTech Killer is currently in the process of an evo VII swap, ask him about it, hes done his research.
-Personally, Id go with the evo route simply b/c, as others have said, they can support 500-600 hp with stock internals (latest generations) which gives your funding a moment to rest https://www.thegalantcenter.org/style_emoticons/default/happy.gif, as the internals will have to be dealt with eventually if your running hp over 450.
-Plus greater power/weight ratio in comparison to the v6 engine, although the fmi, t and all that stuff will also hinder that.
-The awd tranny will have fitment issues
-awd conv is definitely possible, but for simplicity's (and your wallet's, for that matter) sake your better of sticking to your fwd format, as the evo engines bolt directly to 3rd gen eclipse, as well as stock 8g, i4 trannys (but who wants an auto right?).

[Insane99]

AWD conversion is said to be very involved and expensive. Just get an I4 tranny from a G and get a LSD, upgraded clutch, and upgraded fly. This should hold a good amout of power without blowing.< Don't hold me to that. It works fine at 320 hp so it should be fine.

[seth98esT]

I know some JDM trannies from Evo 3 and less have a selectable FWD/AWD tranny. Did they discontinues this feature?

[Insane99]

The evo 3 and earlier motor won't work because its switched (tranny is on the wrong side) so it doesent matter. Oh and if you just want an answer to your question, i have no clue. I only know what works on the 8G and not much about other stuff.

[seth98esT]

I know Evo 3 and less are flipped, I have an Evo 3 motor in my 7g :wink:

I was just wondering if any of the Evo 4-8 trannies were selectable FWD/AWD https://www.thegalantcenter.org/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif

[Insane99]

No.

[TWISTED II]

wouldn't the AWD conversion force you to move your gas tank? me and charles discussed this when we first started building my motor. i forget what exactly we said needed to happen for it to work. charles fabricates and has all that junk though. it wasn't gonna be a bolt on by any means. i would be able to help more, but i don't have a car to look at anymore.

[Stylin_G]

Cali,

One thing about your ride is that it is still a GALANT inside and out. Secondly, you are unique in every aspect. I say you should stick with the V6, but work on something that is not done yet. Perhaps a sheet metal intake and custom TT set up on a JDM exhaust manifold, but I dont think you should remove the Galant engine and add an Evo. Yes, this will be proven power, but nothing you have done is proven until you did it.

SDS on the otherhand is easy, reliable, and abundant...not your style to be following the trend. https://www.thegalantcenter.org/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif

Best of Luck!!

Dave

I'm on the lines of Chikago here, and work off of the V6 and do something thats completely new. The Evo motor is a good motor an all but it would take a great deal of money to build it up. You could have built up your engine and turbo'ed it and still have some money for mods.
If you want you can take a look at this which has a lot of Turbo'ed V6 Eclipse's and they could help you if you choose to stick to turboing your V6 http://club3gfl.com/forum/index.php?act=idx ('http://club3gfl.com/forum/index.php?act=idx')

[gtx]

Hello

I wonder if anybody has any experience with that FIAS setup (which you can read about a lot on the 3G forums) in the Galant. Hell, anyway I didn't even see a lot of Eclipses with that yet, so any input would be great. And would a FMIC fit in the 8G? Thanks

[Stylin_G]

I don't have that setup yet.. but what I have heard is that the FIAS setup is sofar the best setup out there that comes complete, it will also give good numbers you'll get around 300whp or more depending which kit you get, I'm personally gonna go with their 11psi setup when I get the money. What are you talking about that there isn't that much eclipses with that... as far as I've seen there is quite a few with them.. you might want to talk to a guy by the name of eclipsepenguin over there.. he has the setup and you might want to talk to these people as a majority has this kit or of similar type... http://club3gfl.com/forum/ ('http://club3gfl.com/forum/')


Hello

I wonder if anybody has any experience with that FIAS setup (which you can read about a lot on the 3G forums) in the Galant. Hell, anyway I didn't even see a lot of Eclipses with that yet, so any input would be great. And would a FMIC fit in the 8G? Thanks

[gtx]

Ohh, I forgot to mention I'm a V6. Believe me I try to follow those forums, especially this one: http://www.eclipseforums.org/fortopic166317.html ('http://www.eclipseforums.org/fortopic166317.html') but of course I might be wrong. Anyway thanks for the feedback, looking at the setup I thought it looks good, but I wanted to hear it from somebody who has the same kit, not just similar. And in a G. I was just thinking how many people have got the SDS, and still you hear everything. Anyway thanx, good luck with yours.

[8ggalant]

[quote]You dont need to do internals on an Evo engine unless you want numbers surpassing 500whp. Stock internals are good for at least that.

Stock evo will not hold 500 hp for very long. You can run between 350 and 400 for about 2 years RELIABLY. But yeah, build that thing for 600hp :twisted: .

where did u get this information? i know people locally w/ 400whp cars (w/ stock internals daily driven...ive known one of the people for the past 3 years and the car has had the same set up if your are talking about power and reliablity are relative....sure a supra w/ a built motor will take 1k whp for a while....but eventially it Will break...

the evo(and all other 4g63t's) has FORGED internals stock...500 reliably for a long time may not be likely...but not impossible either....

do u have any experiance w/ this motor or are u just statin sumthing u read somewhere (i yes i DO have experiance w/ this motor), ive ive seen plenty of dd evos and dsm w/ stock internals hold alot of power over a long period of time.

cali i agree with dave...boost the v6 bro

[Mante]

Cali hasnt posted in awhile, so knowing him he is up to something...be on the look out.. lol

[8ggalant]

http://www.eclipseforums.org/gate.html?nam...wtopic&t=172712 ('http://www.eclipseforums.org/gate.html?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=172712')

hey bro found that on club3g thought u may be interested (a bit pricey tho)

[galantv600]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mante)</div><div class='quotemain'>Cali hasnt posted in awhile, so knowing him he is up to something...be on the look out.. lol</div>

true true im scared!!!!! https://www.thegalantcenter.org/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif

[Censee]

yea i know what hes up to,,anwyays about the supercharger and turbo thing,,u know its funny,,ive recently been reading alot on club3g and club3gflorida websites and it seems the sds has had tons of problems,,and theres alot of turboed guys in club3gfl that have had the their motors turboed for awhile without any serious problems,,weird being that supoposedly our motors 'supposedly' cannot be turboed without any poroblems,,,this whole FI issue is one big ass confusion...seems everyone leads u to think a certain way...

[seth98esT]

Whether it be SDS or Turbo, boost is boost. Though be it SDS reaches boost off the line, still you run the same amount and make the same amount of power with the same sized turbos/superchargers. Your car will respond the same to boost whether it be from a SDS system or turbocharged system(yes there will be some difference, but just because its a turbo, doesnt mean that it is going to break all the welds on your intake manifold and make your floor boards fall out!)

[galantv600]

wanst that NAWZ that ruined the eclipse on fast n furious? https://www.thegalantcenter.org/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif im thinking going SDS.... Matt made me happy to know that his G wips even STI asses

[SilverDragonGTZ]

i'm doin turbo....payin 5 grand plus 1100 more for headers is ridiculous...when you can buy turbo parts cheaper, and save that extra money for good electronics, gauges, etc