TearStone-8g I-4 Turbo Info 4/3 update pics/ vid/ #'s

[IceDouTGaLanT]

I Have an 2000 Galant I-4 Auto with 64K,
From now on I will be updating this page with the whole turbo process which im going to go threw, from equipment bought to the install period and any problems I face with this kit, since I havnt seen one I-4 with this Kit on TGC..I guess it can be the same thing like jets blacks write up except mines not a custom build. I should receive the kit by January 6th but I will gather all the parts before then so it can get dropped at the shop..I'll get as many pics when they install/tune the car. Any suggestions on parts advice is welcome and appreciated.Prices will be updated based on deals, I know every one is down to save few bucks right?
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* Means i bought the part already...
Turbo (TearStone)

*Budget Front Mount Intercooler, T3/04e Turbo Kit w/Fuel system $2599.00+$125 ship

2001+MIDPIPE (Need this if u got under 01) 199.00 TearStone

Gauges/Tune:

*Greddy- EGT -P/H/W- 60mm- Elec Part#16000804 $172.00Shipped injectedperformance
*Greddy-Mechanical Boost - 60mm Part#16000212 $85.40 Shipped *AEM UEGO WIDEBAND Part#30-4100 $250.00
TOTAL:$500.00 GReat Company!!!! Saved me $$$

GREDDY Turbo TIMER Part#15500020 $80.00 TearStone

*GREDDY EMANGE BLUE Part#15500500: $290 Shiped ImportCarPlus
*Greddy Blue Ignition Harness Part#15900902 $33 Shipped ImportCarPlus
*Greddy Blue Injector Harness Part#15900901 $30 Shipped ImportCarPlus

AFPR
*Aeromotive AFPR A1000 -6 30 to 70 PSI
Part Number # 027-13109
134.99

*B&M Fuel Pressure Gauge
Part Number # 130-46054
29.99

+9.99 Handeling Charge free shiping 1-2 Days
$174.97 JEGS.com

*Fuel Rail with -6 inlet and SS lines
CLub3g seller
100.00

*Walbro fuel pump
Injected proformance
95.00

*NGK colder Plugs (10)
Part#BKR7E
21.00

R/C O-Ringd for injector
5.00

TRANSMISSION
*Tranny Cooler-Flex-a-lite®- Part# 12A $75.95 RipMods
This is Very Cruital for an AutoTranny when u have so much heat,you can also pick this up from pepboys/autozone from what i been told.

PS: Some of this stuff u can find on ebay and save 15-30$,So u can search that also, i rather buy everything from an company just my personal opinion


Reference:
www.TearStone.com ('http://www.TearStone.com')
www.Rippmods.com ('http://www.Rippmods.com')
www.Club3g.com ('http://www.Club3g.com')
www.Greddy.com ('http://www.Greddy.com')
www.injectedperformance.com ('http://www.injectedperformance.com')
*ImportcarPlus serch for her on TGC/Club3g

Do It Your Self Installs

Here is a Great example of the install of a Emange so you get a idea if your going to do it your self.I got permission from "Napalm" to use his write-up. I add'ed Few more of "Napalms" write-ups.
http://www.club3g.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27116 ('http://www.club3g.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27116')

Install a Turbo Timer (Greddy) This is for Eclipse but You can get an Idea, atleast you know what the turbo timer should hook up to, of course we might have different locations or colors, but the timer is the same one i listed above.
http://www.club3g.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5667 ('http://www.club3g.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5667')

Other Valable Info

How turbo work basic info..Good basic knowledge
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/turbo.htm ('http://auto.howstuffworks.com/turbo.htm')

Choosing the right spark plug for FI applications:
http://www.club3g.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32577 ('http://www.club3g.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32577')

Fuel Injector Information:
http://www.club3g.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27795 ('http://www.club3g.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27795')

[DryBear]

FYI - old install instruction for the then AAI (now Tearstone) I4 kit:
http://www.modernmustangs-memphis.org/Hold.../AAIInstall.doc ('http://www.modernmustangs-memphis.org/Hold/AAIInstall.doc')

[IceDouTGaLanT]

What you posted Pinoy,thats for the Ehchanced kit correct?

[Jet Black]

AWSOME thread bro. Good luck, and cant wait to see the results.

[Tearstone]

You can go to your local Autozone, O'Reilies or Pep Boys to pick up a performance transmission cooler for cheap. That's why I don't carry those because they are readily available in those places. To me that's like carrying Mobile 10W-30 on my website LOL.

[Sillyasianz]

good luck

[DryBear]

What you posted Pinoy,thats for the Ehchanced kit correct?

I believe they are for the enhanced kit - much of it should be pretty close, though.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

-Update-12/12
Since the high heat with the setup,i dont think my regular quaker state wont holdup https://www.thegalantcenter.org/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif, so im moveing onto this....You think the 5w-30 would be good for an I-4,from reading i think it seems fine, but not an oil guy..

SAE 5W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil: (12) 1 quart bottles $75.00

AMSOIL Preferred Customers save money -- about 25% off Retail Prices -- on AMSOIL Products.

I am going to do this, $10 for a 6-month trial membership, unless somebody close to DE wants to go half with me and put up $10 also and we can have an 1 year membership? That way we save 25% of the oil and I can ship em out to you if you like? of course u pay actual shipping.

[DOHCstunr]

i'm not trying to be a dick here, but...

600 dollars in gauges what a waste.

could have gotten all autometer eletronic full sweep off ebay for around 250 easy. not that anyone really needs an electronic boost gauge. and why do you need a fancy smancy electronic fuel pressure gauge. thats a terrible waste of dough.

that 350 to 400 dollars you could have used and gotten emanage ultimate and run speed density w/ no mas. plus be able to actually USE your wideband for closed loop wide open throttle(target a/f auto tune)
then your boost / vac data woudl be elctronic cause you would be able to view the readings from the speed density map sensor. you would also be able to vent your bov to the atmosphere w/o screwing up your air fuel ratio.
you would have much much better tuning and performance capabilites with that setup.

not to mention you coudl get a midpipe made at an exhaust shop for under 100 bucks.

does the tearstone kit come w/ an adjustable fpr?


just some thoughts. trying to get you A WHOLE LOT MORE BANG for your buck. fine if you want to support vendors, but don't go wasting your money on something just cause it says greddy on it.

my humble opinions anyways. why would anyone want to listen to me?
good luck with it anyways. tearstone seems to put together deent kit

[peanotation]

well said. i say ditch all the greddy stuff. autometer EGT + mechanical boost will run you $200 flat on ebay. stick with the wideband, good call on that one. why do you need a fuel pressure gauge in the cabin? because you dont.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

thanks for the input, i choice greddy, becasue i asked shops which are gona install it over here and they said autometer is okay, but greddy is built better so i took thier word,i rather spend few bucks now then later on it brakes and waste more money on replaceing it..but if u honestly think that greddy and autometer is no diffence except the logo on it then ill take ur word,since ur boosted,the fuel pressure, the maker Donny i balive said i needed this,so i was going to get,i have no clue why maybe tearstone can answer that?but thanks for the input,the stuff above i havnt bught anything except the kit,and soon the aem ugeo since its an GB price,everything else im getting ready to buy..But i looke don ebay i cant find thhose guages under 250? could u show me a link to one? thanks alot for ur help,this is why i wanted to start this thread so i can get input from people like you,and not just vendors,installers and people who i know.
-ron

[DOHCstunr]

greddy gauges are made at a higher calibur than autometer in most of autometer's line. however i haven't personally heard of one breaking. but if that were, you could buy 2 autometer gauges before you were to the cost of a greddy. i doubt that that wil be the case however as it is unlikely that the first would even break. its your project so don't let me discourage or sway you. your car your choice man. i was simply trying to illustrate how that money could be more effectively spent. there are a few things i wish i had done a little bit different ly the first time around. which would have yeilded more, for less. so i thought i'd throw that at you.

as for the fuel pressure..
you really only need a fuel pressure gauge under the hood. that way you can set your base fuel pressure. now, with an adjustable fuel pressure regulator, for every extra psi of boost you will get 1 extra psi of fuel pressure. that means that fuel is added at a 1:1 ratio to boost. the key is that if you know you are running at 8 psi, then if your base fuel pressure is 42 psi then at 8 psi of boost, you are going to hit 50 psi of fuel pressure. every single time.
so there is really no need to buy an expensiv cockpit mounted fuel pressure gauge. me and 90% of the people out there mount their gauge on the fuel pressure regulator. most adjustable fuel pressure regulators come w/ the gauge.

once again you really don't need an electronic boost gauge cause its a waste of dough. and its very very easy to install. in fact, no harder than the electronic. you can get those in whatever style you like for around 40-50 bucks. assuming you aren't buiying indiglo or other fancy gauges.

egt is an important gauge however.
i run an autometer phantom egt. full sweep electric i got mine for 120 on ebay. best price i found.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

I talked to "russ" from tearstone he stated;

If you purchased an electric fuel pressure, then you would be okay,Running a fuel pressure in the cabin is important if your running a pressure based method of tuning

[seth98esT]

Well theres no need to run an expensive electric fuel pressure regulator. Just grab the Aeromotive AFPR and a B&M fp guage to mount on it

[Tearstone]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(seth98esT)</div><div class='quotemain'>Well theres no need to run an expensive electric fuel pressure regulator. Just grab the Aeromotive AFPR and a B&M fp guage to mount on it</div>

Electric fuel pressure regulator, I've never heard of such a beast.

I think Iced Out galant is asking about a gauge to monitor fuel pressure (an electric one) inside the cabin of his car. There is nothing wrong with that, especially if you are using fuel pressure method of tuning.

A fuel pressure regulator is an entirely differnet animal. You have 1:1 FPRs that just adjust your base fuel pressure regulator and add one pound of pressure for every pound of boost.

Then there are FMUs which do not maintain a base fuel pressure but they multiply the amount of pressure depending what disc you are running i.e. 4:1, 6:1, 12:1 etc, but are not very good to run in high boost situations since the amount of pressure and stress your putting on those injectors is not a good idea. Do yourself a favor, buy bigger injectors and a good driver like an e-manage to make them more effective.

S-FMUs same as a FMU but you are adjustable.

Just my .02.

[peanotation]

maybe you should understand what each component does before you go out and buy everything

[IceDouTGaLanT]

i did reserech what each part does that i listed,i mean thats how i found out what i needed,i dont know everything bout it like u do,i just entered the FI world so im still new,most the stuff i read or hear from people who are boosted.im just gona go wit the greddy since it seems to have more options then the autometer phantom series,a good friend of mine also stated this.

"either is fine, however
with greddy you aren't only paying for the name, you are paying for better gauges, they have a warning light, and they hold "peak values" if you set them to do so..so say your fuel pressure dropped below 20psi which is bad, it would turn the light on.. and i think they sound alarm too
so you would instantly know something was wrong"

[DryBear]

FYI, the "recommended" gauges for the Tearstone kits are boost, EGT, and fuel pressure, according to the actual builder of the kit.

Currently I'm going to run boost and wideband A/F from Zeitronix ZT-2 and EGT, fuel pressure, oil pressure, oil temp via Defi Display. If I were to do it again, I would just have the Zeitronix ZT-2 with boost, A/F and EGT, but I already had the EGT from Defi. Admittedly not the cheaper setup, but the advantage of both the Defi Display and the Zeitronix is everything is in one compact package and I don't have a ton of gauges everywhere.

Defi Display:
http://www.defi-shop.com/product/images/display.gif

Zeitronix ZT-2:
http://www.zeitronix.com/order/LCDdisplay_small.jpg

[peanotation]

all this talk about fuel pressure gauges is confusing. why does everyone think it's so neccesary to have one in the cabin? what are you going to know from it? fuel pressure? so what. unless your fuel line explodes or starts leaking like a bitch (the car isn't going to run after that point anyways) a fuel pressure gauge means nothing. why not get an oil pressure? you're more likely to have oil problems than fuel problems. why not get oil temperature? so your fuel pressure drops below 20? the engine isn't going to like that and you'll be able to tell a lot sooner than looking at a gauge.

does the tearstone kit come with an FPR? if not then you need to get one, and get the fuel gauge that screws into the regulator in the engine bay.

[DryBear]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(peanotation)</div><div class='quotemain'>all this talk about fuel pressure gauges is confusing. why does everyone think it's so neccesary to have one in the cabin? what are you going to know from it? fuel pressure? so what. unless your fuel line explodes or starts leaking like a bitch (the car isn't going to run after that point anyways) a fuel pressure gauge means nothing. why not get an oil pressure? you're more likely to have oil problems than fuel problems. why not get oil temperature? so your fuel pressure drops below 20? the engine isn't going to like that and you'll be able to tell a lot sooner than looking at a gauge.

does the tearstone kit come with an FPR? if not then you need to get one, and get the fuel gauge that screws into the regulator in the engine bay.</div>

Honestly, I would agree with you on not needing the fuel pressure gauge, but I already have it so its going in dammit https://www.thegalantcenter.org/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif. Anyway, as far as I know, the Tearsone kit for the I4 uses the stock FPR (as well as the V6 kit). From what I was recall, an aftermarket FPR would not be needed unless boosting past the set PSI of the kits.

[peanotation]

so how does the tearstone kit know how to add fuel for the amount of boost your running?

[DryBear]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(peanotation)</div><div class='quotemain'>so how does the tearstone kit know how to add fuel for the amount of boost your running?</div>

Wouldn't that be the job of the FMU? Not sure which FMU comes with the budget kit, though.

[peanotation]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(wanderingpinoy)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(peanotation)</div><div class='quotemain'>so how does the tearstone kit know how to add fuel for the amount of boost your running?</div>

Wouldn't that be the job of the FMU? Not sure which FMU comes with the budget kit, though.</div>

ok i see. so the tearstone kit uses a FMU to add more fuel under boost and relies on the stock FPR to keep fuel going when not under boost. with an aftermarket FPR you can do the job of both those things, and get rid of the problems a FMU will cause

[DOHCstunr]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(peanotation)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(wanderingpinoy)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(peanotation)</div><div class='quotemain'>so how does the tearstone kit know how to add fuel for the amount of boost your running?</div>

Wouldn't that be the job of the FMU? Not sure which FMU comes with the budget kit, though.</div>

ok i see. so the tearstone kit uses a FMU to add more fuel under boost and relies on the stock FPR to keep fuel going when not under boost. with an aftermarket FPR you can do the job of both those things, and get rid of the problems a FMU will cause</div>
just need larger injectors and something to tune w/ electronicly

but like i was saying. for the money you spend on the super expensive in cabin fuel gauge w/ isolator. you could spend that on a 1:1 boost referencing fuel pressure regulator(comes w/ the gauge already). and then get a set of dsm 450's to tune with. they sell for 60-90 bucks all day long.
you will already have emanage, so tuning the larger injectors isn't going to be much of an issue.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

"The budget intercooler is the same one we are currently using on all of our kit's"Tearstone website



for the injectors i got this...
thats my fuel setup..

440cc Bosch Fuel Injectors
Fuel Injector Clips
Fuel Injector Spacers
Fuel Rail Hardware
Fuel Management Unit (FMU) 12:1
Fuel Hose & Clamps
MAS Modification Kit

[peanotation]

looks good

[DOHCstunr]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IceDouTGaLanT)</div><div class='quotemain'>"The budget intercooler is the same one we are currently using on all of our kit's"Tearstone website



for the injectors i got this...
thats my fuel setup..

440cc Bosch Fuel Injectors
Fuel Injector Clips
Fuel Injector Spacers
Fuel Rail Hardware
Fuel Management Unit (FMU) 12:1
Fuel Hose & Clamps
MAS Modification Kit</div>

does the basic kit come w/ emanage?

[DryBear]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DOHCSTUNR)</div><div class='quotemain'>does the basic kit come w/ emanage?</div>

The budget kit comes with the FMU, while the enhanced kit comes with the eManage.

[DOHCstunr]

makes sense.

[DryBear]

Off topic, but I'm actually glad I'm doing my turbo install myself - I'm actually starting to understand all this turbo talk https://www.thegalantcenter.org/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif

[DOHCstunr]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(wanderingpinoy)</div><div class='quotemain'>Off topic, but I'm actually glad I'm doing my turbo install myself - I'm actually starting to understand all this turbo talk Â*:lol:</div>
yeah i wish i could get a cadaver through tearstone or ebay to play around w/ so i could get the whole "general surgeon" thing going for me.
i figure after a few cuts and stitches i'll be ready to practice on the living.

...

[IceDouTGaLanT]

ya budject does not come wit emange,im getting that seprately

[DryBear]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DOHCSTUNR)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(wanderingpinoy)</div><div class='quotemain'>Off topic, but I'm actually glad I'm doing my turbo install myself - I'm actually starting to understand all this turbo talk Â*:lol:</div>
yeah i wish i could get a cadaver through tearstone or ebay to play around w/ so i could get the whole "general surgeon" thing going for me.
i figure after a few cuts and stitches i'll be ready to practice on the living.

...</div>

http://www.club3g.com/forum/images/smilies/fawk.gif

[DOHCstunr]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(wanderingpinoy)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DOHCSTUNR)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(wanderingpinoy)</div><div class='quotemain'>Off topic, but I'm actually glad I'm doing my turbo install myself - I'm actually starting to understand all this turbo talk Â*:lol:</div>
yeah i wish i could get a cadaver through tearstone or ebay to play around w/ so i could get the whole "general surgeon" thing going for me.
i figure after a few cuts and stitches i'll be ready to practice on the living.

...</div>

http://www.club3g.com/forum/images/smilies/fawk.gif</div>
nah i'm serious

[DOHCstunr]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IceDouTGaLanT)</div><div class='quotemain'>ya budject does not come wit emange,im getting that seprately</div>
if you are getting it seperatly, then you won't need the fmu. like i was saying then, just get the afpr and ditch ithe in cabin fuel pressure gauge. sweet.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

so ditch the fuel prssure?? and instead like stated before just get oil pressure? whats a "afpr" Air fuel presurre regular?

[DOHCstunr]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IceDouTGaLanT)</div><div class='quotemain'>so ditch the fuel prssure?? and instead like stated before just get oil pressure? whats a "afpr" Air fuel presurre regular?</div>
adjustable fuel pressure regulator. as long as its 1:1 referencing.

you don't really NEED the oil pressure gauge, so long as you know you have oil pressure. given that your motor isn't old.
don't get me wrong. my oil pressure gauge allows me the privelage of knowing when my oil is warmed up enough to drive hard. it also gives me a little piece of mind. but i hardly ever look at it. and if it hit zero, i doubt i would notice. i would notice however, the oil pressure warning light coming on. which of course you already have.

[peanotation]

at this time i would like to point to this good fpr tutorial ('http://galantspeed.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=316') over on galantspeed

[DOHCstunr]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(peanotation)</div><div class='quotemain'>at this time i would like to point to this good fpr tutorial ('http://galantspeed.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=316') over on galantspeed</div>
that is a great tutorial btw. and if you are looking for something simpler, there are bolt on afpr's out there to eliminate the need for the extra plumbing. if that interests you

[IceDouTGaLanT]

Will this be okay he ratio is what u stated..
http://216.242.145.16/products/product.phtml?p=10 ('http://216.242.145.16/products/product.phtml?p=10')

do you think its worth getting the emange and ditching the FMU..Agian im not gona be doing anything major i just wanna install it and drive..i figure the only reason i get emange is for tuneing..im gona run under 10PSi this is my daily driver,so i dont wanna buy things which i will not use..so if the FMU will do the job im fine wit that and ditch the emange it save me few bucks but if i need it ill get it..

[datdude305]

would that tutorial work on 8 G cuz it say 7 G and i dont wanna get all happy

[peanotation]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(datdude305)</div><div class='quotemain'>would that tutorial work on 8 G cuz it say 7 G and i dont wanna get all happy</div>

its the same thing, just don't rely on the pictures for placement

[DOHCstunr]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IceDouTGaLanT)</div><div class='quotemain'>Will this be okay he ratio is what u stated..
http://216.242.145.16/products/product.phtml?p=10 ('http://216.242.145.16/products/product.phtml?p=10')

do you think its worth getting the emange and ditching the FMU..Agian im not gona be doing anything major i just wanna install it and drive..i figure the only reason i get emange is for tuneing..im gona run under 10PSi this is my daily driver,so i dont wanna buy things which i will not use..so if the FMU will do the job im fine wit that and ditch the emange it save me few bucks but if i need it ill get it..</div>
yeah thats what you would want. there is also a model that bolts right to the fuel rail.
electronic tuning is much more precise. once you get it on the dyno, with the emanage you will get a great tune w/ this setup. oncxe you get that tune for your desired psi, you won't really ever have to touch it again.
yes the fmu would get the job doen for a very basic system. but even tearstone will tell you its not as precise. thats why in their better kits they provide the afpr and emanage cause its a much better way to tune.
but tis totally up to you. i offer my suggestions so that you know exactly whats out there so you can make the best descisions for yourself.

[Tearstone]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(wanderingpinoy)</div><div class='quotemain'>FYI, the "recommended" gauges for the Tearstone kits are boost, EGT, and fuel pressure, according to the actual builder of the kit.</div>

That is for the budget kits that primarily run on fuel pressure. For the electronically tuned cars, the 3rd gauge could be left open for a nice A/F gauge or Oil Pressure gauge.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

-update-BOUGHT Guages
GREDDY
60mm Mechanical Boost Gauge
60mm Electronic Fuel Pressure Gauge w/ Peak Hold and Warning
60mm Electronic EGT Gauge w/ Peak hold and Warning
$457shipped useing mechanical boost

[IceDouTGaLanT]

-Update-12/20

Bought the AEM ugeo $220 baby hahah
And russ less me remove the fuel package so no more FMU THANKS ALOT RUSS..

FUEL options now are..
440cc Bosch Fuel Injectors
AFPR+guage
Greddy Emange

17 days till i get the kit https://www.thegalantcenter.org/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif

[seth98esT]

Why not just run an AFPR and an older SAFCI? Can pick one up for around $100 now. Only thing the eManage will do is control timing as well correct? If you want to spend the least amaount and arent going to run high boost, an SAFC would probably be easiest. If you have a few extra hundred to spend, grab the eManage.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

here a pic,i got worried when i looked at the boost guage cuz it was in messurements of .5 and i was like wtf how will i kno im at 7lbs...

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y151/Iced...alant/turbo.jpg ('http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y151/IcedoutGalant/turbo.jpg')

[DryBear]

here a pic,i got worried when i looked at the boost guage cuz it was in messurements of .5 and i was like wtf how will i kno im at 7lbs...

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y151/IcedoutGalant/turbo.jpg

That gauge is metric, reading in kPa (kilopascal)
http://www.santos.com/ConversionCalculator.aspx?p=73 ('http://www.santos.com/ConversionCalculator.aspx?p=73')
7 PSI = 48.26 kPa

To find that on your gauge:
48.26 x 100 = 0.48
So that would be just below the 0.5 mark.

[seth98esT]

Yah just measured in bar. 1bar = 14.7ish psi.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

AWSOME THANKSSSS ALOT....you guys been a big help to me so far and i like to thank you agian https://www.thegalantcenter.org/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif
PS:im getting the Emange with both harness for.....$330SHIPPED

[IceDouTGaLanT]

wow...its almost time, kit gets shipped out on the 6th 3-4 days for delivery got everything ordered EXCEPT

Aeromotive AFPR...
Gauge for the aeromotive
01+ midpipe..Goign junk yard tommow,hopefully i find 1
Emange blue with harness...Guy gets this in soon so this if Fine

i need help guys,

i ordered the injectors from russ the same ones stated above with all the hardware which they come with....Im lost on the AFPR, im getting the model
"AER 13109" is that the right one, i believe so since its for DSM's,will this bolt on to the fuel rail directly or will i need to get a new fuel rail??? is so i can get the following really cheep AEM 25-130C PRICE 125shipped it retails 186.98, if i need a fuel rail...and the gauge which mounts on the afpr i cant find it anywhere, is it a particular size for which im looking for?? or can anybody post a site where i can get it..?? that's about all im still confused about, i must say i learn ALOT threw this project haha..

So my fuel system is as follow, let me know if IM missing or I got it dead on.

Greedy emage,
Aeromotice AFPR + guage
440cc Bosch Fuel Injectors
Fuel Injector Clips
Fuel Injector Spacers
Fuel Rail Hardware

*any let me kno if i need a new fuel rail or if its worth gettin that AEM over my factory since its on sale?

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[DOHCstunr]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IceDouTGaLanT)</div><div class='quotemain'>wow...its almost time, kit gets shipped out on the 6th Â*3-4 days for delivery got everything ordered EXCEPT Â*

Aeromotive AFPR...
Gauge for the aeromotive
01+ midpipe..Goign junk yard tommow,hopefully i find 1
Emange blue with harness...Guy gets this in soon so this if Fine

i need help guys,

i ordered the injectors from russ the same ones stated above with all the hardware which they come with....Im lost on the AFPR, im getting the model
"AER 13109" is that the right one, i believe so since its for DSM's,will this bolt on to the fuel rail directly or will i need to get a new fuel rail??? is so i can get the following really cheep AEM 25-130C Â*PRICE 125shipped it retails 186.98, if i need a fuel rail...and the gauge which mounts on the afpr i cant find it anywhere, is it a particular size for which im looking for?? or can anybody post a site where i can get it..?? that's about all im still confused about, i must say i learn ALOT threw this project haha..

So my fuel system is as follow, let me know if IM missing or I got it dead on.

Greedy emage,
Aeromotice AFPR + guage
440cc Bosch Fuel Injectors
Fuel Injector Clips
Fuel Injector Spacers
Fuel Rail Hardware

*any let me kno if i need a new fuel rail or if its worth gettin that AEM over my factory since its on sale?

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here's a whole kit
http://www.importevolution.com/product_inf...roducts_id=1620 ('http://www.importevolution.com/product_info.php?products_id=1620')

or you could go with a bolt on
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DSM-Fuel-Pr...1QQcmdZViewItem ('http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DSM-Fuel-Pressure-Regulator-FPR-Eclipse-4G63-1G-2G-Adj_W0QQitemZ8025806559QQcategoryZ33553QQssPageNam eZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem')
^the bolt on still has the parameters for a gauge. probably the easiest to work with.
if it fits on evo fuel rails i would think it would be fine for the 4g64 as well. might want to ask someone like stewi on that.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

great so i got the aeromtoive on lock now, just gota find out if it bolts on factory hardware or if i need new rails,

[DryBear]

This is a bit pricey ($134 shipped), but it might make life a whole lot easier:
http://www.boomslang.us/extension.htm ('http://www.boomslang.us/extension.htm')

Its basically an ECU harness extension that you can wire stuff like the eManage into - doing all that work on the car is a pain in the ass, especially since the wires down there are pretty short and you have to contort to get at the wires. Plus you save your factory harness from getting hacked up.

Might be interesting to see if I can make my own version...

[seth98esT]

That harness extender is a very good idea. Makes things much easier. could actually install the emanage harness outside of the car hten just connect it. Wish I had that crap for my car!

[IceDouTGaLanT]

im gettin it installed perfesionaly do u realy think its needed?? but its a good idea i wish it was like 60-80 bucks

[DryBear]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IceDouTGaLanT)</div><div class='quotemain'>im gettin it installed perfesionaly do u realy think its needed?? but its a good idea i wish it was like 60-80 bucks</div>

If you are getting it installed professionally then I wouldn't get the boomslang harness. If you were doing the emanage install yourself, on the other hand, then I feel it would be worth the money. I just wish they had it for the V6, as my back was killing me trying to contort under the dash to reach the wires.

[DOHCstunr]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(wanderingpinoy)</div><div class='quotemain'>
If you are getting it installed professionally then I wouldn't get the boomslang harness. If you were doing the emanage install yourself, on the other hand, then I feel it would be worth the money. I just wish they had it for the V6, as my back was killing me trying to contort under the dash to reach the wires.</div>
tell me about it. thats how i felt when i had to rewire my entire 72 pin ecu harness for my 1g ecu. :cry:
after that, tapping for an safc2 was a walk in the park

[IceDouTGaLanT]

tron who is a club3g member runing the same kit i got is useing an FMU and he stated

'You won't need to tune the car. The kit comes with an MAS/MAF, whatever it is, modification kit. As the kit comes, there is no need for an FPR, emanage, or larger injectors. The injectors that come in the kit are big enough for the application they are intended for.

I have NO PROBLEMS with the FMU.'

so its got me confused,even russ told me he likes the afpr n emange over the FMU, but do you guys think the FMU will be okay for 8 psi?? if i ever boost up i can upgrade to the emange and afpr? but then i would have to buy an in cabin fuel preesure guage..daym i hate when i think i got a hold of everything and i get new info

But when i go to tearstone.com and see thier new setup and priceing, i see they ditch the FMU and pick up an emange..SOOO im stickin wit the afpr and emange...shyt dont gota tell me twice,wow it was good venting my porblem

[DOHCstunr]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IceDouTGaLanT)</div><div class='quotemain'>tron who is a club3g member runing the same kit i got is useing an FMU and he stated

'You won't need to tune the car. The kit comes with an MAS/MAF, whatever it is, modification kit. As the kit comes, there is no need for an FPR, emanage, or larger injectors. The injectors that come in the kit are big enough for the application they are intended for. Â*

I have NO PROBLEMS with the FMU.'

so its got me confused,even russ told me he likes the afpr n emange over the FMU, but do you guys think the FMU will be okay for 8 psi?? if i ever boost up i can upgrade to the emange and afpr? but then i would have to buy an in cabin fuel preesure guage..daym i hate when i think i got a hold of everything and i get new info

But when i go to tearstone.com and see thier new setup and priceing, i see they ditch the FMU and pick up an emange..SOOO im stickin wit the afpr and emange...shyt dont gota tell me twice,wow it was good venting my porblem</div>
i don't care what that guy thinks. electronic tuning OWNS fmu's period. i don't care how much or how little boost you are running.

think about this.
lets say you just have intake exhauust and headers, maybe some pulleys, a little port work etc.
bolt on an fmu what happens. nothing. you will hve no control over out of boost tuning. with that said, you would have no way to refine your fuel curve in order to take advantage of these mods.
the same thing will happen with your fmu when out of boost. so you will have no way to tune your idle or midrange fuel curve. you will simply be stuck with what the fmu hands out for the given boost pressure.

with the emanage you can also have control over timing. a definate plus in my book. especially for you guys boosting motors on stock ecu's.

your boy on club3g just wants to emphasize that it CAN be done for dirty cheap. but i'm here to tell you that if you want it done right, you have to shell out a bit more.

your boy with the fmu will be able to go sit on a dyno, and be stuck with whatever power numbers and a/f ratio's the fmu provides him with.
and he will be helpless to make any changes. if he did need and want to make changes... what will he need?-------a piggyback fuel computer of course. just like the emanage.

however on the dyno you w/ emanage will be able to see the wideband readout, find the area's where you need to add fuel, and the areas where you need to take some away; or add or pull timing.
the difference here is that you with emanage will have the power to dial in the changes with the click of a button or two. and you will yeild MORE power, safer. no matter how much or little the boost is.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

hey dohc you kno whats funny...I GEt what ur saying :shock: im getting this whole turbo talk..it makes sence ya im stickin wit the AFPR and emange i relized after talkin to a guy who gots the aeromotive i will need to

modify my stock fuel rail by tap threading it and putting two fittings in it that can connect to my fuel hoses. so if i get braided stainless hoses, i will need a NPT -> -6 convertor adapter on my fuel rail and the hose ends gota be -6 fittings.

[DOHCstunr]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IceDouTGaLanT)</div><div class='quotemain'>hey dohc you kno whats funny...I GEt what ur saying Â*:shock: im getting this whole turbo talk..it makes sence ya im stickin wit the AFPR and emange i relized after talkin to a guy who gots the aeromotive i will need to Â* Â*

modify my stock fuel rail by tap threading it and putting two fittings in it that can connect to my fuel hoses. so if i get braided stainless hoses, i will need a NPT -> -6 convertor adapter on my fuel rail and the hose ends gota be -6 fittings.</div>
yeah, but you don't HAVE to get braided hoses if you don't want to. there are other high pressure soft line that allows you to use simple press lock fittings. which are much cheaper too.
that kit that i posted in the previous post has the aeromotive a fuel rail adaptor, and all the fittings you would need. as well as a bracket w/ which to mount the afpr.

what i did, was go to my local hydraulic supply store and bought the cheap steel 6-an fittings(brass is just as good and cheaper) i needed as well as the hose. did all the plumbing for about 55 bucks(i bought a bolt on fuel rail adaptor that set me back about 30 bucks after shipping) i should have just tapped the fuel rail. would have been much much cheaper.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

that soubds goood i got an hydro placedown the street ima stop buy tommow and ask them also pick up an tranny cooler from pepboys..hey do u think i need an turbo timer right now?? ae they need i get mixed signles from that

[DryBear]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IceDouTGaLanT)</div><div class='quotemain'>that soubds goood i got an hydro placedown the street ima stop buy tommow and ask them also pick up an tranny cooler from pepboys..hey do u think i need an turbo timer right now?? ae they need i get mixed signles from that</div>

The turbo timer is more of a luxury than anything - just let the car sit and cool down a bit before shutting it off (basically what a turbo timer does).

Speaking of which, anyone use the "turbo timer" feature apparently built into the Clifford Matrix 3.5/Viper 791 alarms?

[DOHCstunr]

yeah a turbo timer is nice, but lets try to keep your initial costs down.

if your turbo is watercooled, you don't have to let it cool for nearly as long as you would for a dry cartridge.

Here is a tip to live by...
if you are out boosting and you know you are a mile away from your destination, stay off the throttle. take it extra easy for that last stretch of your trip/commute/whatever. if you take it really easy, your oil temps will fall on their own(easy by keeping your revs down, and using very little throttle). then you will only really have to idle your motor for 20 seconds or so when you arrive at your destination.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

I went to pepboys today to buy the tranny cooler, i printed out the model number that they sell on rippmods.com,but they didn't have any dimensions on that only the manufacture and part# so it was useless, but the guy was cool enough to print everything out for me, i bought the HOC401 listed below, he said i can return it as long as i don't install it, would this fit? anybody the the right size? Or a close to size?

Rapid Cool-Hevey duty $69.99
3/4" X 9-3/4" X 11"
does not require fitting kit
Part number- HOC678

Ultra Cool-Light duty $29.99
3/4" X 5" X 12-3/4"
Does not require fiting kit
Part#HOC401

Ultra Cool-Medium Duty $49.99
3/4" X 7-1/2" X 12-3/4"
Does not require fiting kit
Part#HOC403

Ultra Cool-Heavy duty $ 64.99
3/4" X 7-1/2" X 15-1/2"
Does not require fiting kit
Part#HOC404

[Tearstone]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IceDouTGaLanT)</div><div class='quotemain'>I went to pepboys today to buy the tranny cooler, i printed out the model number that they sell on rippmods.com,but they didn't have any dimensions on that only the manufacture and part# so it was useless, but the guy was cool enough to print everything out for me, i bought the HOC401 listed below, he said i can return it as long as i don't install it, would this fit? anybody the the right size? Or a close to size?

Rapid Cool-Hevey duty $69.99
3/4" X 9-3/4" X 11"
does not require fitting kit
Part number- HOC678

Ultra Cool-Light duty $29.99 Â* Â* Â*BOUGHT THIS UNIT
3/4" X 5" X 12-3/4"
Does not require fiting kit
Part#HOC401

Ultra Cool-Medium Duty $49.99
3/4" X 7-1/2" X 12-3/4"
Does not require fiting kit
Part#HOC403

Ultra Cool-Heavy duty $ 64.99
3/4" X 7-1/2" X 15-1/2"
Does not require fiting kit
Part#HOC404</div>

Just get the biggest one that will fit. I found that it is best not to fit it in front of your A/C condensor but off to the side under one of the headlights.

Also, we use the Aeromotive A1000-6. It has a base pressure adjustment of 30-70psi.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

ahh,i seen a guy on tgc remove his right fog light and it it thier,but i wanna keep my factory fogs,but thiers alot space behide it ill get them to ancor it back thier,or does it need to be placed where contsant cool air flows?


the biggest one they carry is the HOC404 price 65.00 and rippmods sells the Flex-Alite brand for 75.00 and i know that fits, but i will return the one i got today then, and go ahead with the Flex a lite or untrla cool...Is ultra cool a good brand to depend on?

[Tearstone]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IceDouTGaLanT)</div><div class='quotemain'>ahh,i seen a guy on tgc remove his right fog light and it it thier,but i wanna keep my factory fogs,but thiers alot space behide it ill get them to ancor it back thier,or does it need to be placed where contsant cool air flows?


the biggest one they carry is the HOC404 price 65.00 and rippmods sells the Flex-Alite brand for 75.00 and i know that fits, but i will return the one i got today then, and go ahead with the Flex a lite or untrla cool...Is ultra cool a good brand to depend on?</div>

Six of one, half dozen of another when it comes to tranny coolers. No matter what brand I've installed they all really seem to be the same quality. Unless your using a Setrab cooler or something from Perma-Cool.

Check this website out, it should help you answer a lot of questions:

http://www.perma-cool.com/faq/coolers.html ('http://www.perma-cool.com/faq/coolers.html')

[DOHCstunr]

good luck w/ keeping your foglights at all.
charge pipes tend to get in the way.
i sadly had to ditch mine for my short route piping.
so if you think about it, at night, i can go faster and see less.
guess i better hope Bambi stays off the backroads.

you can always get a set of micro-projector foglights

with all that said, prepere to be able to mount your tranny cooler on one side, then your engine oil cooler on the other.
how nice is that. a little symetry amongst fluid coolers

[Stewi]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IceDouTGaLanT)</div><div class='quotemain'>ahh,i seen a guy on tgc remove his right fog light and it it thier,but i wanna keep my factory fogs,but thiers alot space behide it ill get them to ancor it back thier,or does it need to be placed where contsant cool air flows?


the biggest one they carry is the HOC404 price 65.00 and rippmods sells the Flex-Alite brand for 75.00 and i know that fits, but i will return the one i got today then, and go ahead with the Flex a lite or untrla cool...Is ultra cool a good brand to depend on?</div>

two things.

first, to save you some money on doing the stainless lines, you dont need to worry about trying to tap threads into the rail and possibly messing it up. slowboyracing.com and lancershop.com both sell adaptors that bolt to the fuel rail which let u use AN fittings. they are sold for an evo, the evo fuel rail is the same as the 8g rail so they will work. problem with tapping the stock rail is that its a cast piece, very prone to cracking, plus the AN fitting is almost as big as the rail so the metal on the edges gets really thin.


second, its going to be impossible to put an FMIC in that car without removing the fogs. i tried, i tried twice, i bought a 2nd bumper just to try it again, its not possible. only way your gonna pull it off is if your intercooler is less then 2.5" thick and the pipes are 2" or less, and to make a setup like that your going to limit your intercooler performance just to keep fogs, its kinda silly since your doing a performance mod. just an idea, to save you some space, you may want to "counter sink" your intercooler into your crash bar. this way you save space and if you were ever in a minor fender bender your intercooler might make it out alive. if you need pics of what im talking about let me know, i took some pics of how i fit the intercooler and pipes.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

ok i bought the,Ultra Cool-Heavy duty $ 64.99 and returned the one posted earlyier, guess no fogs for me then i have those little piaa's maybe i can get those to fit since thier tiny we'll see, thanks stewi for the pic,it give me a better understand of space n clearnce...

i went to slowbro site and i see this for fiting..i guess i want input if its the correct part???

http://www.slowboyracing.com/shop.php?sid=&cat=2181 ('http://www.slowboyracing.com/shop.php?sid=&cat=2181')

[DOHCstunr]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IceDouTGaLanT)</div><div class='quotemain'>ok i bought the,Ultra Cool-Heavy duty $ 64.99 and returned the one posted earlyier, guess no fogs for me then i have those little piaa's maybe i can get those to fit since thier tiny we'll see, thanks stewi for the pic,it give me a better understand of space n clearnce...

i went to slowbro site and i see this for fiting..i guess i want input if its the correct part???

http://www.slowboyracing.com/shop.php?sid=&cat=2181</div>
yep thats it.
get the oulet fitting. thats the one you want.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

ight great,ill order it 1st thing in the morning,so i just bolt this on my factory fuelline,or like stewi said get an evo one? and doch u mentioned engine oil cooler?? i would need that also?? i can pick that up from a pepboys also?

[Stewi]

you bolt that fitting to the outlet on your rail. you run a stainless line from the fitting the the FPR. the other side of the FPR you use a block off plate. and the bottom of the FPR you put your fuel return line that goes back to the tank. on top of the FPR you put your vacuum line.

[peanotation]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(peanotation)</div><div class='quotemain'>at this time i would like to point to this good fpr tutorial ('http://galantspeed.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=316') over on galantspeed</div>

[DOHCstunr]

yeah and if you want to save money, you don't even need stainless line. it looks nice, but the hydraulic shop has high pressure soft line that will do the job quite nicely for years to come.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

Ya im checking the hydraulic shop tommow,but is their a specific length I would need? or a way i could find out how much i would need?

[peanotation]

measure from your fuel rail to proposed fpr location, then a little extra for the return line

[DOHCstunr]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(peanotation)</div><div class='quotemain'>measure from your fuel rail to proposed fpr location, then a little extra for the return line</div>

just buy like 2 or 3 feet or somthing. you are going to ahve 6to assemble the line anyways. if you don't get braided line, its very easy to cut to length. just tell them you need a line that is capable of withstanding 60-70 psi continuos with a burst strength around 150 psi. temp really only needs to be 200 degrees which iws pretty much any hose.
make sure they know it will be holding gasoline.

but first and foremost, figure out where you want to mount it.
then figure what angles you need. most likely if you are going to put it on the firewall you can get away with 2 90* angles.
if you do each fitting in one step make sure that you use swivel fittings. that way you will be able to orient the hose any ay you wish w/o overtightening.
try to do it in one step. so you would need one 908 female -6 an to barb fitting(3/8" barb most likley(this one bolts onto the fuel rail adapter) then one 90* 3/8 barb to male -6(this one goes into the regulator) then one -6 an plug. and a straight -6 to 3/8 barb(or whatever angle will send the fuel return line back to the stock hard line.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

i also been told i can do it this way???

There is no need for block of plates, hardlines, or that adapter. All you do is you buy like 6-10 feet of 1/4" line or 5/8" line (something like Goodyear) fuel line is fine. Connect the new line that runs from the stock fpr then run it to the new fpr, then cap one of the inlets then run new line for the return line to the stock hard line.

[peanotation]

i've never heard of two FPRs, that sounds rediculous. maybe someone can prove me wrong though

[seth98esT]

With the Aeromotive AFPR, theres no need for the stock FPR. Not sure if you can raise the FP with the stocker still on. Just get the adapter plate, 2 90" barbed fittings(one for the rail, one for the AFRP), and one straight barbed fitting(to go back to the stock hardline). For the 7gers its easy, can mount the AFPR on the firewall right behind the fuel rail so its a straight shot with 2 90* fittings. Then just a few inches of hose back to the stock hardline.

[Stewi]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IceDouTGaLanT)</div><div class='quotemain'>i also been told i can do it this way???

There is no need for block of plates, hardlines, or that adapter. All you do is you buy like 6-10 feet of 1/4" line or 5/8" line (something like Goodyear) fuel line is fine. Connect the new line that runs from the stock fpr then run it to the new fpr, then cap one of the inlets then run new line for the return line to the stock hard line.</div>

2 fpr's is dumb. the reason your spending the money to buy an aeromotive one is because the stock one sucks, take the stock one and throw it out, or sell it.

maybe this pic helps. i got a 90 degree coming off the rail and a block off cap on the other side of the FPR. in this pic i still had the stock feed.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/EvoInside/1EVO002.jpg

[DOHCstunr]

one of the major advantages of going to the -6 an aftermarket regulator is the increase in inner diameter over the stock regulator. the inlet and outlet of the stock regulator is about 1/4 inch. the inlet of the aeromotive is 3/8.
so fuel flows much better. not only that, but with the higher flow and less restriction, you have a lower chance of starving the #1 cylinder for fuel pressure(or whichever cylinder is the last in line on the passenger mounted engines).
you will realize lower egt's because of this, as well as a more consistant a/f between cylinders, which will result in a more accurate reading from the o2 sensors.
your stock regulator sucks. whomever gave you that idea...
don't take anymore advice from them, because they obviously don't understand the concepts here.

[DryBear]

This guy is selling a fuel rail with -6 fittings among other things that might be of interest to you:
http://www.club3g.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53791 ('http://www.club3g.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53791')

[IceDouTGaLanT]

thanks alottttt MAN....i pmed him..i think ima get everything besides the injectors,so now thiers no need for that outlet fitting correct since he has it fitted?...funny thing is this is the guy who told me to drill it on my rail which i posted in above

[DOHCstunr]

jeez thats a sweet price. a new fuel feed for my ride would cost $90 from slowboy. just for the feed

[Tearstone]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DOHCSTUNR)</div><div class='quotemain'>one of the major advantages of going to the -6 an aftermarket regulator is the increase in inner diameter over the stock regulator. Â*the inlet and outlet of the stock regulator is about 1/4 inch. Â*the inlet of the aeromotive is 3/8. Â*
so fuel flows much better. Â*not only that, but with the higher flow and less restriction, you have a lower chance of starving the #1 cylinder for fuel pressure(or whichever cylinder is the last in line on the passenger mounted engines).
you will realize lower egt's because of this, as well as a more consistant a/f between cylinders, which will result in a more accurate reading from the o2 sensors.
your stock regulator sucks. whomever gave you that idea...
don't take anymore advice from them, because they obviously don't understand the concepts here.</div>

That is the most concise explanation I've ever read on any of these forums for the justification of an aftermarket FPR. That was excellent!

[DOHCstunr]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tearstone)</div><div class='quotemain'>
That is the most concise explanation I've ever read on any of these forums for the justification of an aftermarket FPR. That was excellent!</div>
< needs a job :wink:

[IceDouTGaLanT]

everything looks good just need an 01+ midpipe,B&M guage and im done..

what do you guys think about these? RPW stage 2 turbo cam (256/262, .39") with RPW springs. i was gettin a deal of 400+shipping..do you think it will benefit me as of right now? or should i wait tune the car then build the motor up? for now im not gona boost anymore then 8psi but in the feture i wanna go to atleast 9-10 but thats a while away..i belive tearstone sells these cams for 468+shipping...they been used 10K miles

and for the B&M underhood guage dat goes on the afpr...will this work even though it label honda.. from what it looks like they all look the same??
http://www.injectedperformance.com/ViewPro...uct.aspx?ID=332 ('http://www.injectedperformance.com/ViewProduct.aspx?ID=332')

[DOHCstunr]

everything looks good just need an 01+ midpipe,B&M guage and im done..

what do you guys think about these? RPW stage 2 turbo cam (256/262, .39") with RPW springs. i was gettin a deal of 400+shipping..do you think it will benefit me as of right now? or should i wait tune the car then build the motor up? for now im not gona boost anymore then 8psi but in the feture i wanna go to atleast 9-10 but thats a while away..i belive tearstone sells these cams for 468+shipping...they been used 10K miles

and for the B&M underhood guage dat goes on the afpr...will this work even though it label honda.. from what it looks like they all look the same??
http://www.injectedperformance.com/ViewProduct.aspx?ID=332


well i'll say this. undoubtedly it would help your sohc breath more. but here is the thing.
when you do a cluster of mods at once its nearly impossible to tell which mods help and which ones hurt you. you are already going to be makeing a flying leap in power. i would wait until you have a nice tune before you move on to the head. with the larger cam you will also lose some fuel effieciency as well as inch you closer and closer to failing emissions.
just some things to consider.
so my simple answer
yes it would most likely help, but i would hold off on it.
when you do upgrade the cam, it would be a perfect oppurtunity to upgrade your valvesprings and maybe yank the head and install a nice thick headgasket to lower your ccompression a half mark.

the key here is to set a realistic hp goal.
if you say right away i want to reach 280 whp and be daily driven. now there is a realistic and challenging goal.
now on the road to meeting that goal you can right away throw oout all the stops and hit it, but it could be expensive, and on the road there you might lose some of the smooth drivability or comfort that you are used to.
for instance.
you could turn up the boost
put on a big open exhaust,
throw in a lumpy cam,
delete the balance shafts
delete your cat
throw in some aftermarket pistons and rods
well you might get to your goal, and most likely you would.
but how much of that money you spent was nessecery.
and with the lumpy cams, the balance shaft delete, and the upgraded pistops, your idle is crappy, and the car becomes more of a harsh racecar than a pleasure to drive. warming it up in the morning is hell, it stalls at times fom the low vacuum at idle, your gas mileage out of boost is shit.
you just committed to a lot of sacrifices that weren'tnessecery.

what if just getting a water injection kit, a head gasket, a bigger turbo and a lot of tuning could take you to that hp goal? and you would still have your buttery idle, pass emissions, get great out of boost mileage.
and you didn't spend a lot of money either.

don't just take the plunge.
make well researched calculated moves to each level of performance.

and ALWAYS remember: just because a mod yeilds you more hp, it doesn't mean its worth it, or without sacrifice.

do your research.


but... that is a very good deal.
i'd snag the cams and springs now, and wait to put em on.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

thanks doch..i was only gona get em cuz thier cheep..but u make sence i wont kno what diffence they make untill i have the turbo installed and know what its makeing then i can see to upgrade the cams..ill wait tearstone sells them for 464 anyhow....

[DOHCstunr]

thanks doch..i was only gona get em cuz thier cheep..but u make sence i wont kno what diffence they make untill i have the turbo installed and know what its makeing then i can see to upgrade the cams..ill wait tearstone sells them for 464 anyhow....
snag the cams if you can afford the expense. thats a really good deal.
just don't throw em on first thing

[IceDouTGaLanT]

just got AFPR+Guage 175 shipped Jegs.com

All i need now is 01+midpipe and im DONE!!!! :twisted:

i think the shop can fab an midpipe,so im not to worried..im going to the junkyard monday...anybody need anything? i can check it out for u

[IceDouTGaLanT]

where can i find an afpr block of plate? like the one in the pic above..

[seth98esT]

Cant see the pic, if its for the Aeromotive AFPR you can get em at www.slowboyracing.com or www.diamondstarmotorsport.com or www.sumittracing.com

Sumitt always has butloads of AN fittings.

[DOHCstunr]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IceDouTGaLanT)</div><div class='quotemain'>where can i find an afpr block of plate? like the one in the pic above..</div>
if you are talking about the fitting required to plug the extra/ unused port on your afpr.
then you can get those at any hydraulic supply store

[IceDouTGaLanT]

ahh great...ill pick up tommow..

only thing left to arvive now is the kit itself and the ss lines,new fuel rail...should be here anyday though

[DOHCstunr]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IceDouTGaLanT)</div><div class='quotemain'>ahh great...ill pick up tommow..

only thing left to arvive now is the kit itself and the ss lines,new fuel rail...should be here anyday though</div>
when that regulator and all gets there you can go ahead and install it.
that way you knock one thing out in an afternoon, and you can keep driving until you are ready to do the rest of the labor.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

i got the regular today with the guage...i didnt except it to be so tiny it fits like in my palm online it looks so big.. :shock:

[IceDouTGaLanT]

FYI: the 1st guy with the basic turbo ""tron" got his dyno numbers he got..

230whp @7.5 psi
no cats. 2.5 d/p and midpipe, then 3 inch mid pipe back. 3inch magnaflow muffler/tip

i guess not bad right??

got everything in...just waiting for the turbo..https://www.thegalantcenter.org/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif

[IceDouTGaLanT]

1/17/05 update

Gettin 3" pipeing and new muffler and highflow cat within 2 weeks,it should benefit the turbo from what i read..

Problem
I guess they kit has never been made..Dont know when i will get it they dont know themselfs..so im kinda pissed :evil:

Good News..I get my Chorme powdercoated ValveCover saturday :twisted:

[Tearstone]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IceDouTGaLanT)</div><div class='quotemain'>1/17/05 update

Gettin 3" pipeing and new muffler and highflow cat within 2 weeks,it should benefit the turbo from what i read..

Problem
I guess they kit has never been made..Dont know when i will get it they dont know themselfs..so im kinda pissed Â*:evil: Â*

Good News..I get my Chorme powdercoated ValveCover saturday Â*:twisted:</div>

Woah woah, the kit is made it's just not consolidated together at as kit and it has not passed final inspection. LOL

[IceDouTGaLanT]

ohh. im sorry russ.
you said this in the email,,so i thought it ment i wasnt made...my bad im not angrey at ur company,just that i dont have it.i know u guys are doing ur best..

"I had a long talk with the shop tonight and they simply do not have the kit to ship out right now.

[Tearstone]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IceDouTGaLanT)</div><div class='quotemain'>ohh. im sorry russ.
you said this in the email,,so i thought it ment i wasnt made...my bad im not angrey at ur company,just that i dont have it.i know u guys are doing ur best..

"I had a long talk with the shop tonight and they simply do not have the kit to ship out right now.</div>

My apologies, I did not mean for it to be read so literally. I will assure you that kits have been getting shipped out this week and the shop is running slightly behind https://www.thegalantcenter.org/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif I'm actually going over to the shop tonight to see what's going on.

[AlpineG]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tearstone)</div><div class='quotemain'>My apologies, I did not mean for it to be read so literally. I will assure you that kits have been getting shipped out this week and the shop is running slightly behind https://www.thegalantcenter.org/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif I'm actually going over to the shop tonight to see what's going on.</div>

Please gives an update, Iam ready to buy a kit but wanna make sure that Im not gonna be waiting months for a kit.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

Ight on the AFPR, the Middle is Guage,The Right is Block off plate, the Left is Line labled "B"? The botton is fuel return line labed "D"? and the bottom in afpr is vaccum line.So i think i Just need a Vaccum line..

Paid $120 for the lines,filter and Fuel rail..Thanks agian Wandering for point that out for me

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y151/IcedoutGalant/TGC/769ec0c4.jpg

[seth98esT]

Use the bottum to go to the stock return. You can use either left or right to go to the fuel rail. Just use one and block off the other. And yes the front is for the gauge if you want to use one.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

Daym...Todays marks the 1 month Late delay of the kit.. :evil: :roll:


sucks my bday in is 6 days which i had it before then...

[DOHCstunr]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IceDouTGaLanT)</div><div class='quotemain'>Daym...Todays marks the 1 month Late delay of the kit.. :evil: Â*:roll: Â*


sucks my bday in is 6 days which i had it before then...</div>

yeah i thought you'd be in the club by now.

[Tearstone]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IceDouTGaLanT)</div><div class='quotemain'>Daym...Todays marks the 1 month Late delay of the kit.. :evil: Â*:roll: Â*


sucks my bday in is 6 days which i had it before then...</div>

Sorry Ujash, they are still running behind with a big silicone order and that's holding up the mix.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

hey guys would i need an oil cooler??


Sidenote: good news they said they will ship my kit out this wedsday..Finally been almost 4 month delay....

PS: Tranny also gettin swaped out...Figure Go BIg or Go Home. So now time to trakin that shit down

[DOHCstunr]

oil cooler is a must.
i don't have time to get into it right now, but you'd be suprised at how hot your oil gets, even while not boosting. spool that turbo up for some spirited driving, and those temps soar.


4 months? sorry man i don't want to hate. but <span style='font-size:25pt;line-height:100%'>four months and they really need to give you a discount</span>

just think of the interest you could have accrued in a 4 month certificate of deposit.
seriously i hope they are giving you some compensation. Cause thats just silly.


Maybe they should supply you with the oil cooler kit...

[IceDouTGaLanT]

okay great ill get an oil cooler..just like the tranny cooler i can get from pepboys...??


na no discount they said i got the kit before the price increase so i saved big...but that was the price they were sellin it at..i asked for a deal on the 199.99 midpipe but they said they coundt do anything..i just hope im not missin not 1 fitting or screw when this kit comes or ima be pissed.. :twisted:

[DOHCstunr]

its obvious that you aren't one of their valued customers. otherwise you'd have the kit already. usually when a company screws up this bad, they do something to show that they want to keep your business for the future. although i don't know all the details of your particular sitation; knowing what i do know, i wouldn't be returning to them for any future purchases.

its a shame too cause i really thought these guys had it together. But i'm sure the wait will be worth it. Cause they know once you finally get your kit, you won't be so mad about how long it took. perhaps thats why they don't care that its taking so long, and are refusing to discount or compensate.

Not trying to vendor bash here, but when i had a problem with one of my orderes, slowboy overnighted the corrections. and gave me a massive discount on my next purchase, plus free 2nd day shipping. Thats how much they value their customers. even the little guys like me who make mediocre purchases here and there.
And you bought a bread and butter turbo kit...
seems like they could do something.
even if its something little like sedning you a full set of stainless steel fasteners for your exhaust parts parts.
or even a set of their new resevoir billet covers.

I like the guys at tearstone though so i won't say anymore. cuase this isn't my business anyways.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

ya im not here to bash them..just letting people know it took me a while..I wish they gave me a brake on something for the long as wait..But i do reamber when it was like 2 months late they did tell me they will over night it for free thats what bobbli told me over the phone....so hopefully they overnite it...Ill call wedsday and see if they really did ship it out...So i wait till tommow


Ps. thanks for ur input bro, i really apperiate you speakin you mind in this whole mess..this is a 1st time i never got a product on the time given.

[DryBear]

Yeah, Tearsone himself has been very responsive - its the guys he get the turbo kit from, formerly AAI now Gulf Coast Turbo that is one of the bigger bottlenecks.

It a shame too, as it is a beautiful kit, but the fabricators really need to get their asses in order.

[Kalamidad]

Even if it's tearstone's supplier, tearstone needs to make it up to IcedoutGalant and the supplier needs to make it up to Tearstone.

[SkylineG1]

its obvious that you aren't one of their valued customers. otherwise you'd have the kit already. usually when a company screws up this bad, they do something to show that they want to keep your business for the future. although i don't know all the details of your particular sitation; knowing what i do know, i wouldn't be returning to them for any future purchases.

its a shame too cause i really thought these guys had it together. But i'm sure the wait will be worth it. Cause they know once you finally get your kit, you won't be so mad about how long it took. perhaps thats why they don't care that its taking so long, and are refusing to discount or compensate.

Not trying to vendor bash here, but when i had a problem with one of my orderes, slowboy overnighted the corrections. and gave me a massive discount on my next purchase, plus free 2nd day shipping. Thats how much they value their customers. even the little guys like me who make mediocre purchases here and there.
And you bought a bread and butter turbo kit...
seems like they could do something.
even if its something little like sedning you a full set of stainless steel fasteners for your exhaust parts parts.
or even a set of their new resevoir billet covers.

I like the guys at tearstone though so i won't say anymore. cuase this isn't my business anyways.

I'll have to agree with you on this. The amount of money that they ask for their kits, customer service should be top notch. Especially owing to the fact that this is already paid for. Makes one rethink using their services.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

guess what guys....NOTHING..hasnt been shipped..aperannly their waitin for fuckin injectors..its funny how they told they had everything and were waitin on a big silicone order..but now its injectors..now im really disapointed that i even bought this shit..anybody want this fuckin kit? 3,100K even its yours...they charge 3,500 on the site..but i asked the dude for esitamte dosnt kno him self says call back friday..im done wit this bullshit i wanted 4 fwk months im so frusterated... :evil:

[Skillz911]

Damn that sucks...I was actually planning on looking into them for a kit eventually. I must say you have been very patient and paid your money a while ago. Sorry to hear it. :?

[ipaintu]

hmmm I was looking to contact them, Now im glad i didnt.. I will go to tampa to do mine.....

Sorry Tearstone One bad apple does spoil the pie....


4 months waiting on a kit is just plane out bullshit..
Improper handling can screw up alot....
Good Luck Ujash for sure...

BAD BAD for tearstone.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

Update: guess tearstone seen this and is tryin to fix it now...


he told me hell ship the whole kit out tommow , except the electrical portion of the injectors, and themselfs...So ill update it more tonight when he tells me more

[DryBear]

As much as I want to support Russ/Tearstone, I have to say that I feel for you man. My wait was over 9 months for my kit, and I am *still* waiting a year now for my 3" catback. (Shit - I got a custom 2.5" made in an afternoon :? ) I know that Donny really needs to get his shit together as all it does it just frustrates his customers.

The term "its worth the wait" can grow pretty thin when you keep getting promises that get nullified by some other excuse. I've sent an e-mail to Russ about our situation and hopefully he can respond and take some kind of action.

I mean yes, its a beautiful kit and all, but what good is it if its not in your hands.

[Tearstone]

I actually saw your For Sale post. I like you as a customer have been given false deadlines and promises from Donny's shop.

But I'm going to do what it takes to make it right for you.

As far as Len's situation with the cat back is just plain unacceptable as well. I don't know why they can't just weld the hangers and jig that exhaust so it can be sent out.

[Prophet]

You know I am still confused here. Are these orders coming straight thru Tearstone or is this another shop that has all these problems with parts? Tearstone do you have these kits in stock or are these made to order? Are the 3G Eclipse owners having the same problems with getting there orders or is this just a Galant problem?

[Tearstone]

You know I am still confused here. Are these orders coming straight thru Tearstone or is this another shop that has all these problems with parts? Tearstone do you have these kits in stock or are these made to order? Are the 3G Eclipse owners having the same problems with getting there orders or is this just a Galant problem?

Tearstone Performance (my company) is the sole distributor for Gulf Coast Turbos (Formely AAI or "Donny's Shop"). These kits at this time are currently made to order and the shop simply cannot produce them fast enough to where they will be in stock which we had hoped for once Jimmie bought Donny's shop and changed the name. The kits were dubbed "Tearstone Turbos" since Donny did was not working under a business and he was struggling doing both, so I took over the business side of things for him while he did what he did best. This is a general problem with products coming from this particular company and they cannot seem to get on track with all the problems they keep having from Turbonetics, the silicone distributors and now the injector distributors that sent them the wrong parts!

Also, rest assured that any future customers are not being blind sided as I have now learned how long this process could potentially take if their are problems with other companies that Gulf Coast Turbo depends on that are not doing their part to supply the products they need. Of course everyone shares a bit of the blame and I knew things were going to be rocky going into this, and things are getting shipped out slowly but not up to par where I feel they should be by any means https://www.thegalantcenter.org/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif I feel that I'm at fault for overwhelming them with too many turbo kit orders so they are so far behind now that I can't give anyone a solid date as to when their kits will be ready to go out.

[Tearstone]

Just an update, I gave them a call to let them know I was coming over and they said they would not be there when I got there https://www.thegalantcenter.org/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif

He said I should be able to come over tomorrow!

[Proto]

you need to find another supplier or this guy hire more people, people waiting 5+ months for a turbo kit is a joke.

[Tearstone]

you need to find another supplier or this guy hire more people, people waiting 5+ months for a turbo kit is a joke.

You are preaching to the choir. But unfortunately, there are no other suppliers unless I start pushing RPW's turbo kits or find someone that can weld piping for me in quantities with a jig.

[Prophet]

You know I am still confused here. Are these orders coming straight thru Tearstone or is this another shop that has all these problems with parts? Tearstone do you have these kits in stock or are these made to order? Are the 3G Eclipse owners having the same problems with getting there orders or is this just a Galant problem?

Tearstone Performance (my company) is the sole distributor for Gulf Coast Turbos (Formely AAI or "Donny's Shop"). These kits at this time are currently made to order and the shop simply cannot produce them fast enough to where they will be in stock which we had hoped for once Jimmie bought Donny's shop and changed the name. The kits were dubbed "Tearstone Turbos" since Donny did was not working under a business and he was struggling doing both, so I took over the business side of things for him while he did what he did best. This is a general problem with products coming from this particular company and they cannot seem to get on track with all the problems they keep having from Turbonetics, the silicone distributors and now the injector distributors that sent them the wrong parts!

Also, rest assured that any future customers are not being blind sided as I have now learned how long this process could potentially take if their are problems with other companies that Gulf Coast Turbo depends on that are not doing their part to supply the products they need. Of course everyone shares a bit of the blame and I knew things were going to be rocky going into this, and things are getting shipped out slowly but not up to par where I feel they should be by any means https://www.thegalantcenter.org/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif I feel that I'm at fault for overwhelming them with too many turbo kit orders so they are so far behind now that I can't give anyone a solid date as to when their kits will be ready to go out.

Gotcha... so your the reseller of these kits while Donny's shop is the manufacter. You guys just call it Tearstone because that is the brand name everyone recognizes. Not trying to tell you how to run your business but IMO people are not doubting the quality of these kits but the shipping time comes as a suprise to everyone. I looked thru the site real quick and you don't give a estimate on time for shipping. Maybe something that states that these kits are made to order at this time and can take anywhere from a month to four to complete before shipped. That way when you have some ordering they know what to expect instead of thinking that the kit will ship out next week. I deal with manufacters all day so I know how they can be and how things can go wrong real quick.

[Prophet]

you need to find another supplier or this guy hire more people, people waiting 5+ months for a turbo kit is a joke.

You are preaching to the choir. But unfortunately, there are no other suppliers unless I start pushing RPW's turbo kits or find someone that can weld piping for me in quantities with a jig.

Tell us a little more about the RPW kit. I wasn't aware they had one...

[Proto]

you need to find another supplier or this guy hire more people, people waiting 5+ months for a turbo kit is a joke.

You are preaching to the choir. But unfortunately, there are no other suppliers unless I start pushing RPW's turbo kits or find someone that can weld piping for me in quantities with a jig.

Tell us a little more about the RPW kit. I wasn't aware they had one...

V6 http://www.rpw.com.au/Performance%20Upgrad...24v%20turbo.htm ('http://www.rpw.com.au/Performance%20Upgrades/Engine%20Generic%20Products/6G7%20SOHC%2024v%20Engines/6G7%20SOHC%2024v%20turbo.htm')

[SkylineG1]

I feel that I'm at fault for overwhelming them with too many turbo kit orders so they are so far behind now that I can't give anyone a solid date as to when their kits will be ready to go out.

If they are a business then they should have let you know that there was a limit on the amount of kits that you can put into order to them.

[Donovan]

So I should get the reading.

[Tearstone]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Prophet)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Gotcha... so your the reseller of these kits while Donny's shop is the manufacter. Â*You guys just call it Tearstone because that is the brand name everyone recognizes. Â*Not trying to tell you how to run your business but IMO people are not doubting the quality of these kits but the shipping time comes as a suprise to everyone. Â*I looked thru the site real quick and you don't give a estimate on time for shipping. Â*Maybe something that states that these kits are made to order at this time and can take anywhere from a month to four to complete before shipped. Â*That way when you have some ordering they know what to expect instead of thinking that the kit will ship out next week. Â*I deal with manufacters all day so I know how they can be and how things can go wrong real quick.</div>

I have never called it a "Tearstone kit", the communities dubbed it that.

Shipping has been an issue as of late, and due to all the false promises that I have recevied from them time and time again... I simply removed the shipping timeframes from all the products that I sell for them. Every customer that actually orders a turbo kit is a phone order and we tell them up front it could potentially take up to 6 months for the kit to ship because they cannot keep up with the demand. Right now, I'm simply focused on getting existing customers their kits and that's all.

[Prophet]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tearstone)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Prophet)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Gotcha... so your the reseller of these kits while Donny's shop is the manufacter. Â*You guys just call it Tearstone because that is the brand name everyone recognizes. Â*Not trying to tell you how to run your business but IMO people are not doubting the quality of these kits but the shipping time comes as a suprise to everyone. Â*I looked thru the site real quick and you don't give a estimate on time for shipping. Â*Maybe something that states that these kits are made to order at this time and can take anywhere from a month to four to complete before shipped. Â*That way when you have some ordering they know what to expect instead of thinking that the kit will ship out next week. Â*I deal with manufacters all day so I know how they can be and how things can go wrong real quick.</div>

I have never called it a "Tearstone kit", the communities dubbed it that.

Shipping has been an issue as of late, and due to all the false promises that I have recevied from them time and time again... I simply removed the shipping timeframes from all the products that I sell for them. Every customer that actually orders a turbo kit is a phone order and we tell them up front it could potentially take up to 6 months for the kit to ship because they cannot keep up with the demand. Right now, I'm simply focused on getting existing customers their kits and that's all.</div>

Sounds to me like you have the basis covered if they have to actually call in the order and you guys personally tell them that it can take up to 6 months for the kit. I assume that icedout was told that and he is rather upset at just all the miscommunication as to what parts are missing or unfinished. I would have your manufacter buy his parts in bulk instead of in short supply so he can turn up the volume on the production and not run out of the important parts. Tearstone is just getting stuck between a rock and a hard place with customers getting upset and you having to answer for the short comings of Donny's shop.

If I could, I would still purchase from your company. As long as your customers are actually getting there kits and where being told the truth about wait time I don't see the problem. It's not like you would have forced me to give you my credit card number and then after the purchase was made you spring a 6 month wait on me. If customers where not getting there kits and quality sucked then there would probably be a problem.

Keep up the hard work Russ and don't give up on us. The "Galant Community" can be rough. As long as we see you trying and fix the problems with your manufacter I see you having a reptuable shop....

[Tearstone]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Prophet)</div><div class='quotemain'>Keep up the hard work Russ and don't give up on us. Â*The "Galant Community" can be rough. Â*As long as we see you trying and fix the problems with your manufacter I see you having a reptuable shop....</div>

Thank you very much for the sentiments, I do my best https://www.thegalantcenter.org/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif

[IceDouTGaLanT]

hey guys i got a problem what o you think i shoul do wait for the t3.t4...which might take another month..Or get thw t3 now?Below is what russ told me..

OKay you have a decision I need you to make, Jimmie & Donny came accross a problem with these waste gate assemblies, the ones that come in pre-made are not made properly. Basically because when T3/T04e turbos are installed most of the time they are always externally gated, Regardless, it is going to take some time for Jimmie & Donny to buy swing gates, actuators and build new brackets for the actuator to connect to the T4 housing which could take a few more weeks and halt up your order even further, OR They can order in a T3 and it comes with everything and it will be here in two days.. SO T3 now, or T3/T4 later.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

Im just going wit the T3, bigger its smaller and prob best for my applaction..Start it at 9 pounds for now till work out everything...But hopefully should have this withing 2 weeks https://www.thegalantcenter.org/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif

[DOHCstunr]

t3's are small.

this for an i4 or v6?

hope its going to get you a discount.

[Tearstone]

t3's are small.

this for an i4 or v6?

hope its going to get you a discount.

He has an I-4. The complete T3 turbo packages are from Master Power and they are more expensive than the T3/T04e Turbonetics turbo setup. Currently Donny's Galant is powered by a T3 and this is actually the way the original budget kit form came in. It's just not ideal for higher boost levels with the 2.4L

[IceDouTGaLanT]

russ when u say higher levels of boost around what are you talking about? to what extent will i be fine in Lbs wise

[Tearstone]

russ when u say higher levels of boost around what are you talking about? to what extent will i be fine in Lbs wise

I mean like I imagine 14psi+ or so the gains would not be as good as the T3/T04e setup. But the kit was designed for lower amounts of boost, so your still definitely getting your money's worth https://www.thegalantcenter.org/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif

[IceDouTGaLanT]

update: waiting on the turbo's since they sent them the wrong ones witout auxliers or sumthing


heres the deal tearstone, has the prokit in STOCK, if i upgrade i can have the prokit, can be SHIPPED out NEXT day...Do you guys think i should stick wit the basic or think the pro kits the way to go? i need help wit this...

[IceDouTGaLanT]

well russ shipped out all the pipeing and intercooler this weekend, it should be here weds...so ill let u guys no, still no turbo since the shop didnt get them in yet, but atleast im gettin half the kit...so im happy atleast i can run the pipein and see if the intercooler will fit wit the bumper and what not....but grrrr i want that turboo

[stealitall]

https://www.thegalantcenter.org/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif

[DOHCstunr]

i don't see why he can't jsut get you a damn turbo from one of the dozens of other online performance shops. seriously.
all the parts are custom except the turbo.
he could get you the turbo anywhere and he should.
maybe it will cost him a little more to get you a basic t3 t4 50 trim from slowboy or forced performance, but i call it the price of doing good business.


thats basically like saying well, this bolt hasn't come in yet... adn though we could easily go to the hardware store, pay a little more and get your bolt..... we'd rather keep giving you excuses, blaming other people, and order your part from who we get it cheaply from.


i'm sorry, i really am,
but wtf

seriously, wtf

[galant_got_speed]

wow..when did tearstone lower the budget kit price?!?! ahhh this may be my chance...its so affordable!

[Tearstone]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DOHCstunr)</div><div class='quotemain'>i don't see why he can't jsut get you a damn turbo from one of the dozens of other online performance shops. Â*seriously. Â*
all the parts are custom except the turbo.
he could get you the turbo anywhere and he should.
maybe it will cost him a little more to get you a basic t3 t4 50 trim from slowboy or forced performance, Â*but i call it the price of doing good business.


thats basically like saying well, Â*this bolt hasn't come in yet... adn though we could easily go to the hardware store, pay a little more and get your bolt..... we'd rather keep giving you excuses, Â*blaming other people, Â*and order your part from who we get it cheaply from.


i'm sorry, Â*i really am,
but wtf

seriously, Â*wtf</div>

It is much more complex than that. Most people understand that I depend on another company to build these turbo kits and I simply resell them. While I 100% agree with you and I assure you as Ujash will understand my frustration as well, that I am doing everything I can in my power to make the best of a bad situation.

But unlike other companies that have given up on communities in the past by pretty much stealing their money, I am not giving up. I have obviously made the mistake of taking people's money and giving it to a company that has no regard for customer service or sensitive to my companies' needs to serve customers properly. I assure you, ask anyone on this forum that has bought anything other than a turbo kit from me how their experience was and it is top notch. Luckily the turbo kit supplier has recognized that they are not so good at serving customers and have agreed to let me order the parts through my own supply channels from now on.

My company has just now finally gotten to a position of being able to do this in light of the constant false promises that we have received from this company "that the turbos will be here tomorrow". In the mean time I've been making continuous round trips to this shop which is 120 miles away to keep picking up parts from them and building the kits until I get money to order the rest. Please, I ask for your support not your condemnation.

Hey, if you have any other questions, fire away.

[shuura]

I, for one, can't wait to see this finally come to fruition. This kit is definitely on my "to-do" list. Good luck with that Russ!

[IceDouTGaLanT]

kits finnally in...1 question i got factory spark plugs i serched people recomend the NGK factory ones..but i seen no thread sayin what to use if u boosted? What type of plugs should i be looking for?...And im upgradeing to the apexi N1 80mm inlet 115mm tip with an 3" pipeing from my 2.5 currently

[Calipso]

kits finnally in...1 question i got factory spark plugs i serched people recomend the NGK factory ones..but i seen no thread sayin what to use if u boosted? What type of plugs should i be looking for?...And im upgradeing to the apexi N1 80mm inlet 115mm tip with an 3" pipeing from my 2.5 currently


How is it running?

[Tommy Di Cat]

Either 2 range colder NGK's or the Zex plugs will work. I used both on mine and I really could't tell a difference.

[lonestar22]

It is much more complex than that. Most people understand that I depend on another company to build these turbo kits and I simply resell them. While I 100% agree with you and I assure you as Ujash will understand my frustration as well, that I am doing everything I can in my power to make the best of a bad situation.
But unlike other companies that have given up on communities in the past by pretty much stealing their money, I am not giving up. I have obviously made the mistake of taking people's money and giving it to a company that has no regard for customer service or sensitive to my companies' needs to serve customers properly. I assure you, ask anyone on this forum that has bought anything other than a turbo kit from me how their experience was and it is top notch. Luckily the turbo kit supplier has recognized that they are not so good at serving customers and have agreed to let me order the parts through my own supply channels from now on.
My company has just now finally gotten to a position of being able to do this in light of the constant false promises that we have received from this company "that the turbos will be here tomorrow". In the mean time I've been making continuous round trips to this shop which is 120 miles away to keep picking up parts from them and building the kits until I get money to order the rest. Please, I ask for your support not your condemnation.
Hey, if you have any other questions, fire away.


one question, will the good ol Tearstone turbo kit that cleared the a/c and amde the perfect amount of power ever be back? or anything close to it

[IceDouTGaLanT]

Just got back from the shop got qoted 2K so far for install..and &#036;500 for tune, what do you guys think?
this is whats all getting installed..

Tearstone basic kit with FMIC
injectors
Colder plugs
Aem ugeo
Greddy boost , EGT
Emange
Oil cooler
Fuel pump
Aeromotive afpr
Fuel rails with -6 inlet
install new exhuast run new pipeing 2.25 from turbo pipes to cat, then 3" all the way back o muffler
and micc bolts n hardware... 2K 20 hours estimiated for install need cars 6-7 days but told me 10 days just incase rather have a cusion...what do you guys think? oh yea thier throwing in a free dyno runs b4 the kit just to see the b4 and after power?

i just need to buy this week:
Apexi N1 3" exhuast
Greddy Adapter for oil something part #1200281N

website for the tunershop im takein is...


carversion2.com

[Johnathansgalant]

wow 2k?? Why not install it yourself.. Its not that bad of a install. Pick a weekend and go at it.. I always thought engine work was out of my league but my friends gst is always leaking and breaking parts and Im always taking apart and reinstalling his crap that im comfortable with it and its pretty easy if u organize your self. Keep your bolts labeled and use ur manual. The hardest part is maybe wiring emanage and drilling./tapping the pan.. Manifold is easy as well as turbo o2 and downpipe. T the oil lines from the back of the block to the inlet on the turbo and the outlet to the tapped pan. Injectors are decently easy.. Fuel pump is not bad rear seat comes up and u gotta shave a little. I have my turbo kit too waiting to go in but i want my ac so i havent installed it till i work that out. I am going to install all the fuel components first and once that is all running fine i will proceed with the turbo mani and ic connections.

the only reason i would say 2k is ok is because they will probably warranty there work so if anything goes wrong then u have some assurance...

good luck with it i hope to be there soon

[IceDouTGaLanT]

Ya...i wanted to do it my self, but i realized i cant do it on my own and none of my friends know anything bout turbos or whateva, so i rather spend 2K then learn on my car and have other issues, ya everything installed agianst labor....the fuel pump i think im tackle my self and the colder plugs to save 2 hours of labor cost, also might bolt the Aeromotive also so thats 270&#036; saved..exhaust work ima see how much my local muffler shop will do it for if under 90&#036; then get that done as well also....but as of now it makes more sence for me to get it done, and watch them install it to know the parts incase i do have a problem which maybe i can fix my self if im out of town with the car

[IceDouTGaLanT]

guages are hooked up, turbo is installed. drilling the oil pan tommow and hookin up the fuel rail with injectors..i had to buy some R/C O rings since the kit didnt come with any rings :roll: , another issue is the daym manifold which is wraped on both daym ends... i can get the base laved to sit flush, the the part that goes near the engine, they said they dont want to since they dont want to jepordize the welds since thier so close..i emialed russ since i know they have couple more in stock, lets see what he says

[lonestar22]

tell me how many he has in stock when he lets u know

[IceDouTGaLanT]

here it comes....

Quote from russ, after i explained him about the manifold...

"I don't have any of that stuff in stock and I'm sure you are aware of my situation with that company. All you need to do is give GCT a call at 727-230-9477 and they will assist you with that"

1.) i don't think i should call any daym body, since i paid Tearstone INC for the turbo kit, it should be his ****** responsibility to get this situation fixed..shit they had the kit on back order for 1 year, they could of check if the daym manifold was even and not wrapped out the ass..sorry anit tryna hear this shit,

2) they really know how to show customer support after some 1 pays them 3K for a kit..

3) i am not over reacting, i waited a year delay and atleasttttt make sure after some 1 waits that long, that none of the parts are missing or junk

i would post on club3g, but their so tearstone up thier, which would just resualt in a ban :evil:

I never been so daym heated in my life

[seth98esT]

Completely understandable man. I wonder how it happened, from just sitting around at tearstones shop for so long or what? Its not Tearstones fault that the manifold is warped since they did not manufacture the manifolds, but they should contact GCT for you and get things straightened out. I wonder if the manifold was checked out before it was shipped to you.

Just a bad deal for you and Tearstone as they have had problems with GCT in the past.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

from what my guy told me, they must of had it in a vice grip to hold it in place which i guess from all the heat musta wroped it, yea i kno russ didnt make them, thats fine..but the whole issue with why dont you call him, is the thing that pissed me off...after all the BS they went threw with this turbo kit, he could atleast call up and fix what i paid him for..i kno he prob made a good 300-400 off me has him being the middle man...i shoulda just peiced toghter my own kit now that i think of it

[Jet Black]

Man that really sucks. Warping is the product of poor welding techniques. How the fuck someone didn't notice the warping before shipping it out, is mind boggling. Even with my POS manifold I constantly checked the flange for any signs of distortion (not really a big problem with 1/2" thick steel, but still...). All it requires is a flat surface!

Can you post up some pics for us? Maybe bust out a ruler and lay it across the flange to show the warping.

[Cali]

yea, post up some pics to see how bad it is. russ should defitnetly take care of that issue for by at least calling them.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

this is the only pic i have since i mentioned it before i took it to the shop..i will try to see if i can get the other side pic monday, since i hardly doubt those gaskets will stop any leaks...this is not as bad as the other side it self

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y151/IcedoutGalant/Turbo/PICT0001.jpg

[Jet Black]

Wow! Considering the size of the flange, I'm amazed at the degree of warping.

A ghetto fix maybe to simply grind down the flange. Though from the looks of it, your would have to remove a lot of material.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

ya the flange is no issue, they can grind that down with ease from what they told me...the other side is the issue, we are hopeing the extra new gaskets will do it, but sooner i will upgrae this shit u call a manifold with something else...after i serch the forum n see what bolt ups...

[Cali]

wow, those welds must have been real hot!

[DOHCstunr]

yeah just get it milled flat,
most any machine shop could do it.
honestly a belt sander would be capable

[IceDouTGaLanT]

So I find out today, we have more fucked parts from tearstone.. :evil: thr 1st ones not a big deal. One coupling is wrong size so shop has to order a new 1 ok no biggie...now this is what pisses me off the wastguage is wrong and only way to make it fit is rig it up somehow, which means more hours = extra cost I gota pay for something which russ ordered and said it would fit...I don't get it at all like wtf did they do for the whole year atleast check the parts for fitment before you ship out...

I sent him a email lets see wha he can do..if not ill make it public of how this kit in on club3g , so other customers don't end up gettin fucked

[DOHCstunr]

NICE!

[cardude03]

i cant believe this shit, after all this crap it seemed like russ was the kind of guy who would try and do what he can to help us customers out, but now it seems like he is just leaving us in the dust. i hope you get this whole issue resolved, and i'll think twice before recommending tearstone to anyone else again.

[DOHCstunr]

i cant believe this shit, after all this crap it seemed like russ was the kind of guy who would try and do what he can to help us customers out, but now it seems like he is just leaving us in the dust. i hope you get this whole issue resolved, and i'll think twice before recommending tearstone to anyone else again.

seems liek the only one who got any kind of decent service out of tearstone when it comes to turbo's is DryBear

[Jet Black]

In all honesty it seems like Ice's kit was seriously rushed.

[Tommy Di Cat]

Well since I had my kit a while before you I'll chime in. Nothing bad to say about Russ really, but my turbo blew a seal on the exhaust side after a trip to N.C. Ordered a new one from ATPturbo next day air so I could leave Charlotte. No warranty on that. My real problem comes from the fact that my manifold cracked in 2 places right where the welds were. So I gave up and almost a year later I am non- turbo again. Now where do you think the blame should be placed if I had it "professionally installed". Just my two cents :roll:

[Jet Black]

The fabricator. Got any pics of the cracked manifold? Ice may want to foward this info to his shop to prevent this from happening again.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

wow thats crazy, like jetblack said do u have any pics of the crack, honeslty im going to update the parts of this kit downt he road, i deff want a new manifold, since this one is beat, i will have to search n see what everyones useing..hopefully its not a big deal, the turbo it self i might get a better brand down the road if anything happends to it, how is masterpower turbos? i really dont think that 1 year warranty they give with it is, really gona replace anything IMO...lol the said thing is jetblack it took them over a year in delays yet they rushed the kit lol...

[Jet Black]

wow thats crazy, like jetblack said do u have any pics of the crack, honeslty im going to update the parts of this kit downt he road, i deff want a new manifold, since this one is beat, i will have to search n see what everyones useing..hopefully its not a big deal, the turbo it self i might get a better brand down the road if anything happends to it, how is masterpower turbos? i really dont think that 1 year warranty they give with it is, really gona replace anything IMO...lol the said thing is jetblack it took them over a year in delays yet they rushed the kit lol...

Ya dude thats just unbelievable. I mean I took a year to do my kit...with MONTHS of downtime. And Matt and I had to learn how to weld in between.

Either way dude, maybe some of the I4t guys can suggest a good manifold? If this one is trash anyways, might as well go with a equal length or something. As for the turbo, blowing the seals generally isn't a problem (I would wager majority of blown seals are from bad return...but sometimes the rubber may break down).

But if it happens, then the only solution is to upgrade. :D

[DryBear]

Sorry you hear you are having all those problems, bro. I forwarded this thread to Russ over at his Florida board and hopefully he can respond back.

Just to make things clearer, could you make a laundry list of all the problems you are having so its all in one place?

[seth98esT]

Forced Performance just came out with a new DSM cast manifold, its pretty sweet. Only $249 too :)

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?p=151116204&posted=1#post151116204

[Tearstone]

Before everyone jumps to conclusions that we are a company out to screw people lets get everything out on the table first.

1. We do not make these turbo kits, but we did at one time resell these for Gulf Coast Turbo Inc out of Clearwater Florida.

2. Tearstone Performance paid to have these kits made by Gulf Coast Turbo. Gulf Coast Turbo last year left us out in the wind to the tune of approximately $25,000. Ujash was very aware of the problems we were having with this company.

3. Instead of taking such a large hit, then filing a closure of Tearstone Performance we did the responsible thing, stayed in business and got as much as we could from Gulf Coast Turbo which was approximately 25% of UJash's kit (Piping + couplers and such) and we sourced the rest of the parts through our suppliers.

4. Part of UJash's kit was constructed from money I used from parting out my own personal car so that Ujash was not f*d in the end with absolutely nothing to show for the hard earned money he paid us to deliver him a kit.

5. Tearstone Performance normally would assist customers in warranty items with OEMs, but say if you have a Greddy Exhaust that went bad or KYBs you would call the OEM.

6. GCT has identified that there are issues with their log style manifold and are willing to fix it or send you a new one. Please take that up directly with them.

I am really sorry Ujash you have to go through this, but although there are issues between Gulf Coast Turbo's and Tearstone Performance they are more than willing to warranty your product.

For more information on Club3G about Gulf Coast Turbos please feel free to read this before drawing anymore conclusions: http://www.club3g.com/forum/showthread.php?t=72782

My apologies to all, you know we go above and beyond for all of our customers.

[Tearstone]

Sorry you hear you are having all those problems, bro. I forwarded this thread to Russ over at his Florida board and hopefully he can respond back.

Just to make things clearer, could you make a laundry list of all the problems you are having so its all in one place?

Thx Len, you of all people know what kind of mess we've been in with these people as well :(

[IceDouTGaLanT]

thanks alot dry bear, i just emailed russ with this statement


Hey Russ, we have some issues with this kit, I already told you about the manifold..now the wasteguage you sent me is wrong, they can make it work with some mocking but its going to take time which equals money from me. Also the 1 of couplers is wrong, that's not a big deal since they aren't to much $$$, but just the fact its a wrong size. I do not feel it is right that I have to go out my way to buy and pay my shop to
fabricate me the parts which were supposed to fit with this "complete" kit i bought from you. I figured threw the many delays and everything in the kit would be checked and right parts would be given, like you told me in emails in the past, "you will be very happy once you get this kit" which surely is the case now. If you like to talk to my shop owner please let me know he can go into father detail about the issues and downtime we are facing. Thank you

this is what i get back




As I said, there is not much I can do with the kit now. Since the company that makes the turbo kits has impacted my company so heavily I do not have any close dealings with them. But for warranty issues they will be more than happy to assist you at ****************


Thank you,
Russ Sanderlin
Tearstone Performance Solutions



which is pretty much what he told me when i told him about the manifold issue, thiers no support after buying the turbo kit from him..

these are the issues for far we faced some big some minor still issues, my shop is one of the top shops around here and you can see thier work at..www.caversion2.com they know thier shit. you walk in thier shop u see supras, evo's, rx-7, even a r32

1. Injectors with no O rings...
2. 1 Wrong size coupler
3. Manifold is worped on both ends
4. Wasteguage is wrong, and only way to fit it is customize it which means more $$$$ for something which shouldnt have to be mocked.

This really piss's me off, i really wish i was like the others and do my own kit... :roll: , lets hope we dont blow any seals or anything like tommy, good thing i saved all the messages from tearstone n I..

[Tearstone]

1. Injectors with no O rings...
2. 1 Wrong size coupler
3. Manifold is worped on both ends
4. Wasteguage is wrong, and only way to fit it is customize it which means more $$$$ for something which shouldnt have to be mocked.

The injectors do not come with o-rings, you are supposed to use the stock o-rings for the rail, and the stock insulators for the intake.

Have you even tried calling GCT yet so they can assist you in fixing all of these problems?

[IceDouTGaLanT]

i will call GCT tommow about thier manifold issue since, no 1 informed me that they have a simi recall, you didnt even tell me that in the last message i sent to u on club3g last week

yes i did know about the issues with GCT, but that dosnt mean when i get my kit i was sappoosed to face more issues for it...the issues we had were what?

1 Turbo not in, you wanted to me take an t3 but not give me some $$ back for the t3/t4 ordered
2 Injectors not in, then them not being lavied
3 the silicone order which took about 2 months.
4. the auxlator issue we had

[Tearstone]

i will call GCT tommow about thier manifold issue since, no 1 informed me that they have a simi recall, you didnt even tell me that in the last message i sent to u on club3g last week

yes i did know about the issues with GCT, but that dosnt mean when i get my kit i was sappoosed to face more issues for it...the issues we had were what?

1 Turbo not in, you wanted to me take an t3 but not give me some $$ back for the t3/t4 ordered
2 Injectors not in, then them not being lavied
3 the silicone order which took about 2 months.
4. the auxlator issue we had

I told you to contact them straight out to express all your grievances so they can assist you.

These were all issues that I had directly with that company. I have never ever lied to you about anything that was going on and I'm sorry that you had to be apart of it. :(

[IceDouTGaLanT]

yes my installer did call jimmie about the manifold, but jimmie didnt say anything about a recall or anything, he just stated this is a geat kit...i havnt personally called him, so i will call him tommow myself and ask him about this warrenty on the manifold u posted, so my installer told me to take it up with the company which i paid which is you. we will have to call jimmie agian tommow anyhow about the wasteguage and see what we can do...

[Tearstone]

yes my installer did call jimmie about the manifold, but jimmie didnt say anything about a recall or anything, he just stated this is a geat kit...i havnt personally called him, so i will call him tommow myself and ask him about this warrenty on the manifold u posted, so my installer told me to take it up with the company which i paid which is you. we will have to call jimmie agian tommow anyhow about the wasteguage and see what we can do...

You have taken it up with me, and we have done as much as we can to assist you in getting these matters taken care of. If there is anything else I can do to assist you with getting things facilitated please let me know. But again, there is only so much I can do. Right now I still have 3 turbo kits that are owed to customers and all I have sitting here in front of me is piping. :(

[PharmEcis]

While I might not be anyone on this site I think I know the circumstances of the entire affair enough to voice my opinion.

First, I want to give a little background. Back in 2003 there was a company named XTech Engineering. This company produced a turbo kit for the 6g72. I purchased a basic kit from them for $1800. I never received it. I never got my money back. I got fucked. Chris, the 20 year old kid who ran that company ended up declaring bankruptcy and fucked ALOT of people out of ALOT of money.

Since that time, I went into business for myself in the automotive performance market. I serve a niche market, namely cars fabricated by Mitsubishi and especially cars based on the 8G Galant platform. I own 2gstratus.org and am active on club3g. I've seen owners of the all of these cars get raped and abused by companies time and time again. Does anyone recall MPH Unlimited? How about AMSS? Or maybe even XI Racing or Xerd? That company now exists as CMF and they still have some crappy business practices. Xtech rolled over on a lot of people as did Norcal Performance. The common thread that links all of those companies is taking money and never delivering a product.

Russ took a nasty hit because of some shitty business people named Donny Elei and Jimmy, Donny's pimp. Some people have no idea how to run a business. You run a business to provide a service. If you provide a good enough service you end up making money. Some people operate a business under the principle that they are out to make money and they don't care about their clients. Russ adheres to the former business principle and not the latter. If Russ really didn't give a shit about you guys or his name he would have folded up shop and told all of you to fuck off and goto hell. Did he do that? No, he stuck through it and even stripped his car in order to deliver like he said he would.

Seriously, I want you guys to think about what you would do in his place. Would you opt to take the easy way out or would you be a man and try to make sure that things were resolved as best as you could? Notice I said "as best as you could". There is a limit of what one can do. Russ is not superman and cannot shit turbo parts out of his ass though he can make you gag if you are around him when he farts. :lol: Errors and mistakes happen, it's a part of business. You have to realize that at certain points there is really nothing more that you can do.

I'm going to give you an example of something to show you how your train of thought is really going. Last year I made the mistake of buying a new phone and switching my service to Nextel. I didn't purchase it from Nextel directly but I bought it through one of the companies that resells their products. I HATE MY PHONE AND I HATE MY NEXTEL SERVICE. I have never had such poor reception in my life or as many dropped calls. Who am I supposed to goto for rectification of my problem? Do I bitch out the guys who just resold me a service or do I bitch at the company that is fucking me up? Let's look at this realistically. What good is bitching and moaning at the people who took my money going to do me? They aren't going to refund me my money nor can they do anything at all to improve my service. I have to go to Nextel and try to get them to resolve the problems I'm having with THEIR product.

Do you get the picture? You are barking up the wrong tree dude. Tearstone INC resold a kit fabricated by Gulf Coast Turbos. Gulf Coast Turbos is ultimately responsible for that kit, not Russ @ Tearstone. But I understand your situation. GCT are a bunch of thieves and cocksuckers and dealing with them is like going to the dentist when you know you need 32 extractions. It's going to suck big donkey balls.

Honestly, my opinion is that your attitude isn't helping you one little bit either. Being a business man, I'm way more likely to help someone who shows me respect and can type in proper English than someone who calls me names, talks bad about me and can't even present themselves as an individual who was born with an IQ over 50.

Greg Almeida
Ultimate Car Style & Performance

[cardude03]

Pharmecis, you make some really good points. i guess its a little different situation than i'm used to. i have a family business, and i know that when we perform services, we are held responsible, and not the company who makes the parts we use. Russ has always seemed like a good guy, but after the MANY delays and mistakes, it seemed like all the other companies, but after hearing both sides of the story, i guess it just ended up being the perfect storm on Russ's part. But anyways, whatever happened, happened, and ujash is being kinda screwed here, although i understand russ is doing all he can. i hope ujash gets what he paid for, and gets that beast on the road, ASAP!!!

[PharmEcis]

The biggest rule in boosting a naturally aspirated car is to take whatever dollar amount you expect to spend and double it. Make sure you have at least as much put away for any of the problems that will crop up. I'm not saying that excuses what has transpired but it is THE rule of thumb.

Realistically, this platform is a niche market. This platform gets absolutely no love from the major vendors as there is not sufficient market for them. If GReddy, HKS or any of the other major fabricators saw the potential for a profit on this platform, they would have already produced kits for us. This causes us to have to rely on companies that don't have the financial muscle or resources of the larger ones. This equates into more expensive products and sometimes issues with quality and availability. It's not fair but it is the reality for us and luckily there are those of use who are really trying our hardest to serve you guys to the best of our abilities. We are human though so forgive us if we have our faults at time.

I'll give you a case in point. I have a client who brought me his 02 Stratus R/T for me to build him a motor and install his SDS. He purchased all the latest upgrades from Ripp for this endeavor and also EVERY supporting mod necessary. I built him a beautiful motor and having a number of SDS installs under my belt, I'm confident that the install was done properly. That car has tossed codes left and right, has an AFR that is completely out of whack and the owner is scared to get into boost. Whose fault is this? Is it my fault since I built the motor and installed the kit along w/ all his supporting mods? Or is it the kit's designers fault for building a system that was flawed from day one?

Bottom line, that car came back to me and I'm in the process of converting it to a new fuel and electronic setup. I've already seen a dramatic change in the way the car behaves and I haven't even completed the conversion yet. Unfortunately, my client is having to pay for this conversion because I installed parts he supplied to me that simply do not work as advertised. Did he blame me for this? If he did, I highly doubt that the car would have come back to me for me to fix. He knows that the culprit of his car's issues is the MANUFACTURER of the kit. While not exactly identical to Russ' situation it is similar. My client knew that he would have no recourse with the manufacturer of the kit and decided to give my ideas a shot before he decided to part his car out.

I understand where Ujash is coming from but he really needs to see things from both sides of the equation.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

to pharmecis, so I'm guessing your probably Russ good friend from club3g, since you haven't posted on this site since jul 17 2003, so which is why you decide to butt into a topic which you have no business in, I would post this on club3g.com but every 1 is so tearstone inc brain washed were the mods just lock up my post. First lets talk about the money issue, I could of easily did a charge back on my CC and fucked Russ over like many other people did to him and his company. So please don't give me any shit about my attitude and handling it like an business man. Since you are here to defend Russ, why don't you ask Russ for your self and see if I treated him with respect?? I have never disrespected Russ, and told him many times I appreciate all he's going threw to get this kit to me. Yes you are 100% right about Russ getting screwed over by GCT. With the issue of Russ packing up and leaving, well we do live in the United States of America, and I could simply just call my CC company and get the money back with no issue. This whole fucking thing about Russ striping his car I don't know were you are getting this from? RUSS could you explain what you took off your car for me? since this is something VERYYYYY new to me? Lets see, the turbo, intercooler, couplings, injectors, wasteguage, auxulator, BOV were all new and ordered, since threw the whole 1 year delay, russ would tell me what we are waiting on to arrive by truck or needs to be laved/ fabricated. So please don't give me that shit pharm, about him striping his car, Cut the BS out. What would I do in his place? 1, for the huge delay I would at least include something in the kit as a token of my appreciation from something simple as heat-wrap to a nice discount on the tearstone dress up kit. that's what i would of done. I also would of checked all the parts before I ship them out, like i stated to make sure nothing is wrong and everything is up to expatiation to my company. I own a business's myself, I know how it works and the frustration that comes along with it. When I have an issue with a distributor I take care of it, I don't tell my customers hey call up budwiser and talk to them. if I choose to carry something and sell it in my business, then yes I should be responsible that's how I base my business on. The whole example of nextel is not relevant to the topic of a custom turbo kit. The Representative didn't tell you, Hey Greg well have your i860 here on the 3rd while 1 year passes by till you finally get it. Then once you get it, you notice hey my antenna is missing or the battery doesn't fit unless you shove some paper in their to "mock" it up. so you don't feel like the store is responsible for the phone? Which is funny, because when I bought my sidekick3 I got from a T-mobile stand in the mall, and when I went home it would not hold charge, so I call T-mobile right away, Guess what Greg they told me to take it to the store its their fault. So the store simply went in the back room and replace it, same thing can be said if i buy a subwoofer from a audio store and then they go to install and see a hole, are they going to say ohh sorry ujash when we opened the box in the back of the sub you bought, their was a hole in it call JL? no they will swap it out and handle it with JL later on. You are comparing a global company which is pretty much linked with authorized dealers, to a mom and pop shops in Florida which barley, 1% of the US population knows about as your example?? So I'm barking up the wrong tree, so I should just make a website sell things from another vendor and if the vendor fucks me over, I just take it out on the consumers and tell them I have no responsibly is that what your saying? You claim you are a business man, yet you stoop that low to talk about my spelling and IQ, So glad you come out as a nice guy on a forum which supports your market, and you sound like a typical egotistical ass. Congratulations, its a car forum, I frankly don't care about me typing and checking for grammar. So i hope i answer all your question...Russ please do me a favor and explain this thing about parts from your car? and please don't get people involved who are not in it, when I was upset long ago I didn't go to club3g and post about all the shady shit going on and give you a bad name? NO, and i hope you remember what you told me would happened if opened my mouth?. please respect that fact and talk to your friend here, you know I never disrespected you, just like you I'm putting my own $$$ for something which I shouldn't have to.

after i typed all this up i seen you wrote more...so heres the responce.

You do not understand were I'm coming from, why don't you do me a favor and talk to Russ and see how patient I was threw this whole process? The whole money issue, that's not the problem I don't care if I have to double it or not, its the general principal of, I shouldn't have to be buying parts for something which i already paid for or foruced to upgrade becasue of fitment or customize it to fit when i was told their wasn't. If Russ website simply stated, this is a custom turbo kit, and some additional fabricating might be needed, I would not have said 1 word about it, but unfortunately it didn't. look greg im not here to start shit with you or anything, just keep the posts clean

[PharmEcis]

One, my join date is June 16, 2003 not my last post. Two, I never said Russ sent you parts off his car, I said he stripped his car in order to pay people back for kits that never got sent to them.

Yes I know Russ personally even though I live in MD and he is in FL. It would be easy to replace a part if it was on the shelf. If you can't get the fabricator of the part to even supply the kits that are already paid for what are you to do?

I didn't mean some of my comments as a direct insult but I will stand by this comment, presentation is everything, including how you present yourself on a "car" forum.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

PharmEcis,

Really so you can explain this? you havnt posted since 03 bro, im not newb to this site, i know how to check a members recent post? whould u want a screen shot???

Forum: Performance Modifications for the 8G Posted: 17 Jul 2003 12:35 am Subject: looking for interest in PnP intakes and heads
They are done. Check this thread on 2gstratus.org for all relevant information on them. BTW, these are for the V6.

http://www.ucstech.com/forums/index.php?ac...t=0&#entry98868 ...


you have every right to think however you like about presentation. just like how i have every right to talk about what i been threw with tearstone sugar coated or not. what you do is not problem, its not my company :roll: , i dont get what u want me to do? say sorry russ its my fault my kit is screwed up? even threw it all you prob made a good 300$ bucks as the middle man? what i should just accept the kit how it is, and not let other members know about what i faced? so they could go threw it? so if tearstone carrys a kit in the future, you dont think people shouldnt know what happend the last time they delt with a vendor who supplied thier turbo kits, and how the customer service was after the $$$ was handed over? this is not a hate thread.. if u notice on the 1st page this is my turbo thread and it talks about EVERYTHING i ran into, and this kit is something

[Tearstone]

I believe I have already addressed most of your questions and I have pointed you over to the thread on Club3G explaining everything.

As a reseller I have lived up to my obligation and delivered what you paid for, which was a Gulf Coast Turbo kit. For customer service wise, we have gone above and beyond to assist you in sorting out all the details. By your own admission you said that you (or your mech) have been speaking with Jimmie which is the owner of Gulf Coast Turbo. Which means that you are already online with the OEM about the issues you are having.

We no longer sell these kits, so running my company through the mud to make people aware of how bad the kits that I used to sell for Gulf Coast Turbo is a very moot point. I will also be the first to admit that the basic kit was a very low budget kit and essentially you got what you paid for, and for all intensive purposes it was a experimental product by GCT that was sold to compete with the Max Rev kits. The reason I began selling the Gulf Coast Turbo kits was due to the V6 and Pro kit. You can see from the experiences from the various folks who do have these kits that they are quite pleased with the results. Since the OEM, Gulf Coast Turbos has identified that there are problems with their budget(basic) kits they are more than willing to fix them. Since you already have been talking directly with GCT about your issues it seems like you are being taken care of. I also spoke with Jimmie yesterday after reading these posts and he said that he has been talking with your guy for days to assist in any way they can.

Just like Greg said above, your not being supplied parts with multi-billion dollar companies here. You have a car that you know that is not well supported. The vendors that do try to support you guys are struggling as it is. By dragging my company through the mud, your not doing anyone any favors to help you out in your situation or others that want companies working hard to support our vehicles. I have a 8G Galant and a 3G Eclipse and I became a vendor to serve these communities to help fill in the gaps for the vehicles we are so passionate about. On the same token I know that becoming a business comes great responsibilities, but I plead with you please understand where we are coming from.

[Tommy Di Cat]

The fabricator. Got any pics of the cracked manifold? Ice may want to foward this info to his shop to prevent this from happening again. Yes I don't blame Russ for this. I'll post them up soon

[DOHCstunr]

this is rediculous.

after all this nonsense...
i woudln't even put those parts on your car.

A poor expierience from the very first day.

I'd just sell that pile of parts to some poor bastard on ebay.
if the buyer doesn't get exactly what he expects...
i'm sure he won't be dissapointed cause he'd getting a close second to all the other trash on there.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

just called jimmie seems hes outa town so left a message, called my installer, asked him what his convo with jimmie about the wasteguage, he sent jimmie the pics of it, and jimmie himself said thats the wrong part since its big and hitting the starter. but my guy said he can make it fit its not no much of a issue and cost few extra $$$, the kits pretty much done expect the emange, and auxulator, and to make the wasteguage fit and couple little things...Lets just hope this kit gives me some decent power for the headace or its going FS and evo swap on its way

[n3oAcid24]

just called jimmie seems hes outa town so left a message, called my installer, asked him what his convo with jimmie about the wasteguage, he sent jimmie the pics of it, and jimmie himself said thats the wrong part since its big and hitting the starter. but my guy said he can make it fit its not no much of a issue and cost few extra $$$, the kits pretty much done expect the emange, and auxulator, and to make the wasteguage fit and couple little things...Lets just hope this kit gives me some decent power for the headace or its going FS and evo swap on its way

good luck man. i hope everything works out for you. you know the Evo Swap is a whole new set of headaches but well worth it IF you get it to run.

[Tearstone]

just called jimmie seems hes outa town so left a message

Jimmie tried to call you last night but you were not picking up.

[Jet Black]

The last few parts of the project can be some of the most stressfull. Stick in there man.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

Just talked to jimmie, I'm going to get my manifold resurfaced in my shop since he said he can still cover my warranty...So that's better then nothing, the auxulator was the only wrong part ordered for this kit from speaking to jimmie. he seemed very sorry for about this. Ill get my shop to custom fit everything, and I should be good to go. And russ I wasn't slandering your company online, I haven't said tearstone inc is a crook or a thief nor anything close to that, just my grief I been going threw with this turbo kit, is what I posted up on my thread. The only issue i got really mad, is because with all the emails I send, the only response I get from you is call GCT, No ill check it out for you or anything in that nature. But anyway's I have no beef with you or GCT, I just want my turbo kit in my car without any farther issues. thanks

Yea bro tell me about it, this is really stressfull, i really hope everything comes out well

[Tearstone]

And russ I wasn't slandering your company online, I haven't said tearstone inc is a crook or a thief nor anything close to that, just my grief I been going threw with this turbo kit, is what I posted up on my thread. The only issue i got really mad, is because with all the emails I send, the only response I get from you is call GCT, No ill check it out for you or anything in that nature. But anyway's I have no beef with you or GCT, I just want my turbo kit in my car without any farther issues. thanks

Yea bro tell me about it, this is really stressfull, i really hope everything comes out well

So many people are so quick to jump on the vendor bashing bandwagon. I just wanted to share our side of the story on what happened. I never really thought you would have gotten mad since I assumed you were on board with all the problems I was going through and I told you straight up that you have to contact GCT. I even made a special call with Jimmie and to give him your phone number to give you a call right away to sort all of this stuff out. I thought you would definitely understand what was going on. I already knew the answer the end result from dealing with other customers that had this issue with their kits, so what was I supposed to "check on"?. We spent over a year providing extremely fast response updates with your kit every time you sent an email, AIM or placed a phone call.

Good luck, and let me know if I can help you out with anything else.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

price so far for install and tune is 3,200 :shock:

they had to fab the auxulator, faba midpipe, buy couple fiting for the oil return, buy 3 new coupleings 25 a pop, the manifol resurface, extra gaskets, buy lines for the aeromotive (i fergot to buy those), wow this project is gettin VERY costly for me now, i think i threw about 8K in this which is sad right? haha i coulda done th evo swap with all that money..lets just hope the price stays were it is, and it may drop if the tune ends up takeing less time..but they also instead taping hte oil pan, hes welding ona nipple or whateva, so that should benefit me in the long run

[Mante]

but they also instead taping hte oil pan, hes welding ona nipple or whateva, so that should benefit me in the long run

I might be crazy but tapping the oil pan is quick and cheap.. by the time the person does the welding they spend more time doign all of that.. if they charge by the hour then theres a way they can up the $$$

[Jet Black]

It might actually take less time. Both methods require the oil pan to be tapped, only welding it on will take less time than waiting for the JB welding to dry.

Is the 4G64 oil pan made out of aluminum? If it is, then the nipple has to be aluminum as well...I'm sure he knows this, but just in case. Trying to weld aluminum and a ferrous metal produces disaterous results.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

yes the do charge by the hour, he told me he can do the tapp, but he prefers this way..thier shop really knows what thier doing so im trusting his advice and doing that method, but so far everythings going well..should go tommow to snap few shots of the car and hopefully get the price down few $$$$ haha..1 good things is i never have to worry about any type of leak, since thier work covers all that or anytype of wireing issue i face

[Tearstone]

Is the 4G64 oil pan made out of aluminum? If it is, then the nipple has to be aluminum as well...I'm sure he knows this, but just in case. Trying to weld aluminum and a ferrous metal produces disaterous results.

The 4G64 pan is stamped steel. The 6G72 pan is both aluminum and the lower is stamped steel.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

everything is done, they just fabed up the auxulator and everythings good to go...tomm their doing the emange and the install part is done!!!....dyno either weds or thursday gona take the video camera thier for that...question i want to hook up a zex kit for purgeing, do you think it pergeing it on the intercooler is a good idea?

[02galant]

Sure you could do that. But to me why take the risk? Running boost is already a full time job to keep it up to top notch condition my personal opinion on that is if you want more power build the internals and up the boost. But that is just my .02

[IceDouTGaLanT]

yea internals will be done next winter, since i wanna boost more then 8lbs.. i was just gona get the kit now since one my of buddys bought it for his maxima but ended up not doing it.

[icemanrld19]

So you have been working on this for the past year or so? Thats a hole lot of money to install your kit. Being that you have the 4cylinder why didnt you install it yourself?

[IceDouTGaLanT]

well the kit had a huge delay which is why it took almost a year, i just droped it off 2 weeks ago, but yea i do have a 4cyl. Yes i am paying a lot for the work, but i know for fact I wouldn't be able to fabricate the auxulator and the other parts which they did. plus i figure spend 3K to get it done right, or do the work my self and have the possibility to mess something up really bad or run into wiring issues and fry shit. so for me it was cheaper to get it done. also i dont have to ever worry about install issues since its all warrented for life, so no trouble shooting for leaks or anything. plus i only have the weekends to work it since school and work.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

Went to go check out the car today, since i was itchin to see it..its pretty much done, just fineshing up the emange and dyno tune is this saturday, ima take my video cam to get it on flim..but their work im very pleased with, the mid-pipe he fabbed was great deff worth the money, and yea the money issue my billz close to 3,800 with tune. yea its steep, but i had to many MANY parts which didnt fit the kit which it came with,coupleings/ fittings, also had to resurace the manifold 90$ bucks. they gave me a invoice everything looks right, since the guy knows this went out my budject hes gona knock it down to 3,500 which is fine. i wish i knew this in advance of how much this kit whould acually cost me cuz instead this, i couldt did the Evo swap..tally so far close to 8,500K :roll: , yea it sucks but i rather get it done right or not at all..1 other things the JDM bumper did not fit, i will have to notch out a little behide it for the pipeing which isnt clearing, but good news is the fogs fit!!! lets all prey for me nothing blows up (turbo seal) ahem ahem!!! :wink:

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PS: anybody wanna buy some GCT couplings??

[GOOSEY2099]

Nice NIce!!

[02galant]

I like how that intercooler mounts looks like it would be fairly easy to align straight and not spend 17 hours drilling throught the crash bar.

[seth98esT]

Those look like big worm clamps? Tisk tisk ... tbolt clamps FTW!

[Jet Black]

Looking real good dude! Don't forget to post up a few videos afterwards....maybe prowl the streets for a bit. ;)

[IceDouTGaLanT]

yea i wish they used the t-clams also, but oh well they blow off they will fix it, atleast i wont have to worry about little things like that with this price tag...yes i will post videos :D, i wanna be easy on the car for the 1st couple hundred miles, but ill let her ripp once or twice at full boost :lol: , thanks agian to all you guys esspically seth,john,peno who helped me alot threw this turbo process..

[Tearstone]

yea i wish they used the t-clams also, but oh well they blow off they will fix it,

Worm clamps will be fine for what your doing. The piping is bead rolled so as long as the worm clamps are tightened down properly you should never have a problem.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

another fuckin issue poped up, seem like the emange has 2 faulty switchs, so it does not work..they swaped out for another one they have in shop just to make sure it works and it does..so they told me to contact who i bought it from, they can see me another one for 200, but im not paying for another one..i contacted jimmie, i hope either he as another 1 in stock or buys another one.. :( the shop said thell hold my car without a storage fee so thats good in a way

[icemanrld19]

how did they know the switches were bad? What all did they say

[IceDouTGaLanT]

well they called me today around 3, and told me they installed the emange but its not working, so thier trouble shooting the issue, i get a call back 1 hour later, saying hey did you buy this emange used? i stated no i got it with the kit and i belive its new unless it isnt from what i know. they said well it seems 2 switchs on the emange are faulty, we have a emange in the shop so we pluged that one in, and it works fine your cars good to go on the dyno. any ideas how swicths go bad on a emange?

[icemanrld19]

no i dont but theres a local guy in tampa that has the ultimate for sale for 350ish

[IceDouTGaLanT]

isnt the wireing for the untimate differnt then the blue? i dont want to pay extra money to re wire it agian, i just talked to russ he told me i can go threw greedy for a replacement if they dont help, then his company tearstone can help me with out this matter :D

[icemanrld19]

Not much extra. You should have just got the plug and play boomslang harness. Alot easier and wouldnt have paid for itself

[IceDouTGaLanT]

they only charged me 150$ for the install, since my orginal budject got exceed by 1,200, they felt bad and did it cheep

[Jet Black]

What switches were bad?

[IceDouTGaLanT]

2 rotary switchs and the TPS is not workin aswell

[Jet Black]

You mean the small yellow rotary switches on the front of the emanage? Those are made out of super soft plastic. I've destroyed half those just trying to zero them out.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

no those yellow switchs are fine, they look brand new. its something internel i belive thiers more switchs inside, and the TPS is non funcation, i just sent the emanage out to russ, and hes shiping me out a new one, that relves so much stress of my back. i just want to be done and over with this install, and have everything runing great..hopefully next winter i can build up the block and if they got that ecu flash on point, ill go with that..but for now i just want it out the shop and back in my hands...god i miss the g

[IceDouTGaLanT]

russ just shipped me out a new emanage today :D, so car should be done saturday!!!!!

[Johnathansgalant]

hey what wire are u using and what guide are u using as i had issues with wiring that were due to wrong wire colors.. ?? the tps was one of them and it would register a voltage but it was not the tps voltage.. I was not able to calibrate it or anything because it would only give me voltage when the car was on and engine running..

[IceDouTGaLanT]

hey i gave them the print out from naplam, but they said they have it under controll and dont want to follow anything incase errors, so they did it on thier own. i can try to find out fri/sat when i go back

[Johnathansgalant]

yea thats what i used but 2 or 3 wires are wrong.. the tps is one of them but the pin locations are correct.. The tps wire stays the same so if u goto the location of the tps wire on the ecu find the wire then look at the wires off the tps u will find the same color wire as it is constant to the ecu.. Also injector #4 wire is not the color its stated. off the top of my head thats what i remember.. although these wires are wrong the emanage registered it was working then all of sudden after a few minutes of driving would flash red.. that was for the injector pulse but the tps as long as u have voltage it wont flag it wrong..

[IceDouTGaLanT]

yea i seen you posted that on .org so i told them, they said thats fine thats why they didnt wanna follow his thread and do it them selfs, their porb used to wireing them up all the time so it only took them 2 hours. charged me $180 bucks

[IceDouTGaLanT]

got the new emanage from russ today which he send out in 2 days, thanks agian, droped it off will plug it in tom, dyno will happend in 2 sesions since they book them in advance, so sat morning and finesh off monday.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

the new emange russ sent, was broke as well :roll:, i said screw it bought it from else where, and unit works. Car turned on today 1st turn no issues with anything.. :D I can honestly say this kit was a waste of $$$$, half the things that came with this were either broke or not the right size, or just poor quailty. deff not worth 3K IMO, if everything worked or came with the proper stuff then yes.

[DOHCstunr]

Tearstone= the shaft

[IceDouTGaLanT]

cars been fineshed, since the day i bought my OWN e-manage, but waiting on dyno, still trying to sneek me in, not thier fault since people schudle session from 2-3 months prior...they also cleaned up some of my wireing for my jdm heads and degressed and cleaned the whole engine bay :D since they feel bad about the dyno wait...cant wait to drive her!!!!!

Ps; sending russ emanage back this week

[Jet Black]

Did you go with the blue in the end? Man I can fucking WAIT to see your car in action!

[IceDouTGaLanT]

yea went with blue, you cant wait imagein how im feelin haha, only if you/ I lived closer bro we could cruise :D...don't worry ill post tons of vidz this winter ill build the block gota start reserching and saveing grrrrr

[Da_silvagride]

I can't wait to see it in action! Did you get them wheels too?

[IceDouTGaLanT]

no guy sold them locally, looks like ill have to fork out the 3,400 bucks once i get the bodywork done next month =/

[IceDouTGaLanT]

cars in DYNO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! keep u guys updated :D

[fatal1]

nice nice cant wait to finally see this beast lol

[IceDouTGaLanT]

ya sucks that i cant be thier, im leaving for my boys bday at 5:30. But i gave them my camera to record the last couple of runs. but she idles real nice!!! starts up on 1st crank. i will get her back monday since they still have to reinstall the ac unit thing which the ecu was behind.