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[4g63lover]

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Mitsubishi TD04 15G off of a Volvo 850R. got it off my buddy. no shaft play. in perfect condition. I'm gunna make a custom turbo header for it. I'm just collecting and gathering parts for my kit. wont be boosted til late next year. still gotta swap 5-speed, build the block, and get a evo cylinder head. He gave it to me for free so I jumped on it.

[txgalant]

:thumbsup: sweet, looks good, can't wait

[mitsuree8thgen]

Sweet deal! That saves a lot of money for your turbo project. Why isn't it gonna be finished until late?

[steveVR4]

Based on your SN, is this going on a 4g63? You may end up wanting to go bigger than that, which will suck after going through the trouble of making a custom header/manifold.

[seth98esT]

I agree with Mr. Steve! It will limit your options, unless Volvo has a lot of upgrades. If it is a standard Mitsu CHRA, then alls you would have to do is change the exhaust housing from the Volvo pattern to a Mitsu housing and it would bolt up to any Mitsu manifold.

In that pic the center cartridge is fastened down with a v-band clamp like most standard Mitsu turbos. For what its worth, Id strongly recommend not using the Volvo exhaust housing as you coudl get a 7cm^2 Mitsu exhaust housing for under $100. From the sounds of things, if you are wanting to do a headswap, build the block, you will want to eventually upgrade, would just make things easier with a Mitsu housing. You wouldnt be stuck with a $400 custom exhaust manifold that would only work on Volvo pattern turbos.

[steveVR4]

^ Exactly what I was getting at, thanks for putting it plainly. :-D

[4-G-rim]

I agree with Mr. Steve! It will limit your options, unless Volvo has a lot of upgrades. If it is a standard Mitsu CHRA, then alls you would have to do is change the exhaust housing from the Volvo pattern to a Mitsu housing and it would bolt up to any Mitsu manifold.

In that pic the center cartridge is fastened down with a v-band clamp like most standard Mitsu turbos. For what its worth, Id strongly recommend not using the Volvo exhaust housing as you coudl get a 7cm^2 Mitsu exhaust housing for under $100. From the sounds of things, if you are wanting to do a headswap, build the block, you will want to eventually upgrade, would just make things easier with a Mitsu housing. You wouldnt be stuck with a $400 custom exhaust manifold that would only work on Volvo pattern turbos.


Agreed! You are better off selling that turbo and finding yourself a MHI turbo...your options will be endless and not to mention saving your money which could go to more useful mods. You are better off selling that turbo IMO.

[4g63lover]

Based on your SN, is this going on a 4g63? You may end up wanting to go bigger than that, which will suck after going through the trouble of making a custom header/manifold.


well, it will be going on a Frankenstein 4G64 with the EVO head swap.




I agree with Mr. Steve! It will limit your options, unless Volvo has a lot of upgrades. If it is a standard Mitsu CHRA, then alls you would have to do is change the exhaust housing from the Volvo pattern to a Mitsu housing and it would bolt up to any Mitsu manifold.

In that pic the center cartridge is fastened down with a v-band clamp like most standard Mitsu turbos. For what its worth, Id strongly recommend not using the Volvo exhaust housing as you coudl get a 7cm^2 Mitsu exhaust housing for under $100. From the sounds of things, if you are wanting to do a headswap, build the block, you will want to eventually upgrade, would just make things easier with a Mitsu housing. You wouldnt be stuck with a $400 custom exhaust manifold that would only work on Volvo pattern turbos.


Well, I was just gunna weld a custom manifold together. But as you bring this to my attention. where would I find the Mitsu housing?? My buddy did tell me that the exhaust housing and turbo housing can be taken apart. My plan was to use this turbo while I save up for a GT42R. I was just gunna make a turbo header my self. I was going to take an evo flange and go off from there and make my own bracket to weld onto the manifold to match the volvo housing, and a custom downpipe to match the volvo exhaust housing. It makes sense in my head. but where would I source the mitsu housing?? and what should I look for? I dunt want to sell this cuz its in damn good condition. and I know how to weld so its just a matter of fabricating parts to adapt for it. I wont be starting this project since I wont get my license back til march, manual swap, then I gatta find a decent job to save up to build the block and get the evo head. then down the line Imma switch to a Garret GT42R. I got my plans all sorted out just a matter of making it happen. so feedback fellas.. I need feedback and all help is appreciated. except i would really likt to stick with this turbo just cuz I already have it.

[steveVR4]

Yes you can remove the turbine housing and replace it. Try ebay and DSM boards. Look for an uncracked 14b or 16g exhaust housing.

[seth98esT]

Id try to get a 7cm^2 Big16g or Evo3 16g housing, just cause its bigger. The housing comes off very easily. Theres the v-band in the middle there, just unbolt it, tap the housing a few times(not the cartridge) and the exhaust housing will just fall off.

Bullseyepower makes an aftermarket Mitsu turbinehousine housing which has its ups and downs. It slows great but I think they still use a cir-clip instead of the v-band clamp, and the manifold bolts like to break off in the housing.

Building a custom downpipe and custom tubular exhaust manifold just for the Volvo 15g doesnt make sense. Why do all the work just to have to do it all over again when you upgrade turbos? Eh Idk, if your going with a GT42R, that would be a Garret t3/t4 flange right? Youd still have to redo your work even if you use a Mitsu housing hah.

That comes to another point. Why do you want to go with a GT42R anyway? That sucker is huge! When I say huge, it support 1100hp! Theres no way on earth(with your budget) you will see half of its potential. Now with that said, you should go with a GT30R or GT35R, both of which you will never max out. GT42R is just redicuouls on a non-drag car.

[4g63lover]

I'm just going to find a mitsu housing and replace the volvo housing. I will definitely use this turbo until I upgrade to something better. Now, that seth said it, I wont be using the GT42R. We'll see where it goes. Ill just use this turbo to start with. then when it comes to upgrade.. ill upgrade. I don't really have a budget... I mean I will work and pay for all my parts but I dunt have a limit.. Ill spend and spend until i think my car is perfect. Don't matter if it takes me 6 months or 6 years.. I wont stop til I see perfection... Thx for the feedback fellas.

[seth98esT]

Good choice. Would be smarter to go with a Mitsu housing now and just upgrade to a hybrid Mitsu/Garret turbo so your custom fabrication wont be going to waste.

The GT series turbos are nice and are definitely capable of making nice power, but theres a lot of hybrid Mitsu exhaust housed turbos with Garret center sections that will do the job just as good and maybe more efficiently.

[4g63lover]

will something like this work?

EVO 3 16G housing (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MHI-EVO3-16g-turbo-exhaust-housing-fp-ported-DSM-evo-3_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33742QQihZ003QQitemZ1 30035288554QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW)

[Cali]

That comes to another point. Why do you want to go with a GT42R anyway? That sucker is huge! When I say huge, it support 1100hp! Theres no way on earth(with your budget) you will see half of its potential. Now with that said, you should go with a GT30R or GT35R, both of which you will never max out. GT42R is just redicuouls on a non-drag car.


i was gonna say! a gt42r is ridiculously huge as it is, imagine on a fwd car for daily driving (im assuming this is still gonna be your daily driver) can you say MAJOR lag?

ditch that turbo and find yourself a used 16g. if you find yourself still wanting more power, then go with a 50 trim. (i'd still recommend doing all suporting mods first before upgrading your turbo ie. cams, etc.)

[4g63lover]

well, for a while it will be my daily driver also. but after boost the car will be for weekend and strip only. Im planning to gut the back and install a roll cage after i break the 12 second barrier. Im gunna get another galant for a daily. the reason why i dunt want to ditch the volvo snail is because i already have it and i got it for free. if i didnt have it yet i would do otherwise. so im going to swap the exhaust housing and make use of this turbo to start with. I will upgrade in the future not the GT42R but maybe a GT30R.

[4g63lover]

I found this on ebay and was wondering if it would work???

flange adapter (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/T3-TURBO-TO-T4-TURBO-ADAPTER-FLANGE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33742QQihZ015QQi temZ250036232753QQrdZ1)

[steveVR4]

Is the volvo housing a T3? :-?

[4g63lover]

not sure, hmm... i dunno i guess ill just change the housing...

[cowboybeebop]

maganda pare :)

[Cali]

here you go: evo VIII turbo with 20k miles for $150:

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=228624

[4g63lover]

here you go: evo VIII turbo with 20k miles for $150:

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=228624



thats a steal. but see I got the 15G for free... I'm broke.. lol.. but if I had 150 to spare i would take that. I wont be turbo til late next year.

[steveVR4]

Evo8 turbo is "backwards" compared to a DSM/GVR4 style turbo. Wont work for you without a whole lot of plumbing.

[seth98esT]

Yah but the 8g motor is oriented like a Evo motor so it would work fine :P

If they use DSM turbos they just have to rotate the cartridge I believe.

[steveVR4]

Ahh, thanks. I didn't know what this meant
"it will be going on a Frankenstein 4G64 with the EVO head swap."

[4g63lover]

one thing, a Bypass valve is the same as a Blow-off valve correct?

[steveVR4]

Basically. Here is the distinction:

A compressor bypass valve (CPV) also known as a compressor relief valve is a vacuum-actuated valve designed to release pressure in the intake system of a turbocharged car when the throttle is lifted or closed. This air pressure is re-circulated back into the non-pressurized end of the intake (before the turbo) but after the mass airflow sensor.


A blowoff valve, (BOV, sometimes hooter valve) does basically the same thing, but releases the air to the atmosphere. This creates a very distinctive sound desired by many who own turbocharged sports cars. Some blowoff valves are marketed with trumpet shaped exits that amplify the "psshh" sound. For some owners this is the only reason to fit a BOV.

[4g63lover]

Basically. Here is the distinction:

A compressor bypass valve (CPV) also known as a compressor relief valve is a vacuum-actuated valve designed to release pressure in the intake system of a turbocharged car when the throttle is lifted or closed. This air pressure is re-circulated back into the non-pressurized end of the intake (before the turbo) but after the mass airflow sensor.
A blowoff valve, (BOV, sometimes hooter valve) does basically the same thing, but releases the air to the atmosphere. This creates a very distinctive sound desired by many who own turbocharged sports cars. Some blowoff valves are marketed with trumpet shaped exits that amplify the "psshh" sound. For some owners this is the only reason to fit a BOV.


I see, my turbo has it right on the turbo.
see:
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a103/4g63lover/baby%20g/DSC03763.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a103/4g63lover/baby%20g/DSC03764.jpg
so does that mean I dunt need one on the upper I/C pipe?

[steveVR4]

I don't see where that thing releases air from? :confused:

You need to recirculate the vented air, so I think you will have to bolt a plate over that hole and run a 1g "BOV" (bypass, actually) on the up pipe. Although, that flange setup right on the compressor outlet is probably not great for air flow. You're really set on using that turbo, though, so whatever.

[4g63lover]

theres a rubber part connected to a string part inside that thing separated from the turbo, and theres a little tube thing sticking out of it. ill prolly sell this then. where could I sell this??

[steveVR4]

Not real sure what you're describing, but that piece that is off the turbo is the bypass valve (bov) except I don't see where it releases the air. The small tube (nipple) sticking off is where you connect it to the intake manifold for signal.

eBay.

[4g63lover]

I just registered on the Volvo forums and asked a couple questions. they said just put a plate over the whole and run a BOV on the I/C pipe... they said it should be okay, then I can just recirculate the bov to the intake... so its all good im gunna use a 16G exhaust manifold and then a DSM manifold like underated does. Im gunna do my 5-speed swap first tho.

[4g63lover]

I've decided Im gunna sell this turbo for $200 local and save up for my 5-speed and use a 50trim from slowboy racing when i go DOHC and boost. "practical" thing to do. call me lazy or what ever but i really dunt want to make all this custom shit for it and just to find out i wont be able to use it when i upgrade turbos.

[steveVR4]

You need to recirculate the vented air, so I think you will have to bolt a plate over that hole and run a 1g "BOV" (bypass, actually) on the up pipe.
^^^^^^^
I told you to put a plate over it. :-D

I think its wise to sell it though.