View Full Version : 2JZ in an 8g Galant
DNSerrano
11-13-2006, 03:44 PM
I am looking at engines, from mild to wild, sane to insane crazy. I have been looking at the 1JZ or 2JZ Supra engines and a light bulb came up. It would be awesome so swap it into the Galant. I mean the galant has a lot of space to work with and dropping a Supra engine in there could blow away people dissing the grocery getter, lol. I've seen it done, some dude around where I live had the engine dropped into a late model 240sx. I've also seen people swap it into other Toyota/Lexus, such as the SC300/400 (Even though I think some came with that engine, not sure maybe I'm thinking about the Soarer). I just recruited one guy with a SC300 and he said thats what he did, a 2JZ swap pushing 16psi (Over The Limit C.C. coming up, lol) Anyway I wanted to find out the advantages, and if anyone who is proficient in engine fitment can find out if this is worth doing, worth the time and money. OPINIONS PLEASE!
skyhigh90210
11-13-2006, 03:47 PM
The difference between those cars and the g is that those are RWD while the G is FWD.
4g63lover
11-13-2006, 03:48 PM
I am looking at engines, from mild to wild, sane to insane crazy. I have been looking at the 1JZ or 2JZ Supra engines and a light bulb came up. It would be awesome so swap it into the Galant. I mean the galant has a lot of space to work with and dropping a Supra engine in there could blow away people dissing the grocery getter, lol. I've seen it done, some dude around where I live had the engine dropped into a late model 240sx. I've also seen people swap it into other Toyota/Lexus, such as the SC300/400 (Even though I think some came with that engine, not sure maybe I'm thinking about the Soarer). I just recruited one guy with a SC300 and he said thats what he did, a 2JZ swap pushing 16psi (Over The Limit C.C. coming up, lol) Anyway I wanted to find out the advantages, and if anyone who is proficient in engine fitment can find out if this is worth doing, worth the time and money. OPINIONS PLEASE!
IMO why would you swap a 2JZ when you can swap a 4G63t and get as much out of that engine? and less fabrication and money.
DNSerrano
11-13-2006, 03:56 PM
To be the first to do it I suppose
SkylineG1
11-13-2006, 04:07 PM
A 2JZ-80 engine would be a ton of work to swap in an 8G. Fist I think that the engine bay is too small. You'll have to reconfigure the chassis for a RWD setup. The tranny will never fit. Fact is you could do it but it'll cost a ton of money.
fatal1
11-13-2006, 04:19 PM
i thought you were going with the vr4 motor? for like 1000 bux lol guess it was too good to be true?
Johnathansgalant
11-13-2006, 05:35 PM
hey david that place where im gonna drop my car for the turbo downpipe specializes in swapping the supra motor in other cars.. you should drop by and ask them what they think... manictech racing off 441 going south..
Stewi
11-13-2006, 05:55 PM
The problem is as stated above by others. Its a motor designed for RWD. You would need to cut out the center console and floor and make a tunnel out of sheet metal to have space for the tranny. You would have to "back half" the car into a tube chassis. To do all this, your talking about $20,000 worth of custom fabrication not including the price of the engine.
Armageddon Sunset
11-13-2006, 06:07 PM
I actually thought of this too, as well as the RB26DETT (which is just insane) I've looked at some 1jz motors and that is a very very tight fit, the nose on the supra is way longer then our car and I think the radiator will also be a problem. possibly cutting up the front end and whatnot, so your front end would be weaker and more of a death trap in a front end crash. You would loose powersteering and the AC to attempt to get it to fit also, I looked at a one 2jz and decided that that engine wont fit. as it seemed larger then the 1jz and to make it fit would be a lot of fabrication. but as stated the problem is getting a tranny to fit in there as well, RWD isnt that hard to do (theres a post on here about a guy on club3g is going AWD, he has the rear all setup but the front is giving him trouble) so Rwd is possible with our cars its just finding a tranny to fit and that will mount up.
all this is eyeballing it with a few measurements I took and the advice from a few mechanics but given that I live in KS and most of the mechanics seem stupid and look at me like Im crazy. I think that its possible but I dont have the money to do it, and I dont want to cut up my car that much.
your better off with the Evo or Vr-4 engine.
DNSerrano
11-13-2006, 06:54 PM
i thought you were going with the vr4 motor? for like 1000 bux lol guess it was too good to be true?
So I thought but the dude backed out...
seth98esT
11-13-2006, 06:54 PM
You guys keep talking, because this is all it is "talk".
DNSerrano
11-13-2006, 06:56 PM
You guys keep talking, because this is all it is "talk".
Thats why it's called a thread, and thats why it's in a forum :roll: :peace:
seth98esT
11-13-2006, 07:10 PM
Ok, do the swap, please! Id like to see it :roll:
On that note, nobody will ever do a 2jz swap into any Galant.
Just do it. Asking is for losers. Like me. haha.
Reelax
11-13-2006, 08:24 PM
u know what? i was thinking and i bet i could put a motor at each of my wheels and have a quad engine AWD setup. my only problem is how to shift all four transmissions since i only have 2 hands, i bet i could just weld all the shifters together or find a way to mount CV transmissions for each motor so i don't have to shift. do you think it would b hard to do? i know some of the large auto manufacturers are fiddling w/ this idea right now but w/ electric motors, but those suck i want to try this w/ gasoline engines... and then turbocharge all of them! that would just be soooooo awesome. i have a friend that can make parts for me and i bet we can do it for less than $10. i'll be sure to post pics of our progress.
DOHCstunr
11-13-2006, 09:09 PM
dude this mod is so common i can't believe you guys are bitching like little girls over it.
seriously pure simplicity.
you want a rwd 2jz 8g?
simple enough.
first things first you have to yank the motor,
after that yank the front crossmember,
after that yank the rear suspension and the remaining front suspension.
then remove the wiring harness.
next you have to take the radiator core support out to make room for the new setup, so of course the bumpers and fenders have to be removed.
to make it easy to get inside for the duration of the swap you will want to take off the doors and trunk
which of course will mean all the interior pieces as well since you will be doing some metal cutting soon enough.
the gas tank wiull have to go since it won't clear the driveshaft.
ok
next we get to the hard core fabricating parts
you are going to have to tear almost all of the floor out of the cabin or jsut tear all the floor out of the cabin we can redo it later
you will have to cut the floor out of the trunk as well but no worries we will make the new trunk even better than mitsu desinged it.
ok now for the parts car,
oh yes you will need a supra as a parts car if you wnt to be able to do this.
ok take the emblems from yoru 8g and put them on the supra.
next take the vehicle catalyst off the 8g from under the hood and put it on the supra.
next take the door sticker out and put it on the supra.
next salvage all the remaining metal to get money for the supra
after that
get to the dmv and get a kit car registration and vanity tags that say "8G GLANT"
use the money from the leftover parts to gas it up and take pics for all of us to see.
milo111000
11-13-2006, 09:14 PM
u know what? i was thinking and i bet i could put a motor at each of my wheels and have a quad engine AWD setup. my only problem is how to shift all four transmissions since i only have 2 hands, i bet i could just weld all the shifters together or find a way to mount CV transmissions for each motor so i don't have to shift. do you think it would b hard to do? i know some of the large auto manufacturers are fiddling w/ this idea right now but w/ electric motors, but those suck i want to try this w/ gasoline engines... and then turbocharge all of them! that would just be soooooo awesome. i have a friend that can make parts for me and i bet we can do it for less than $10. i'll be sure to post pics of our progress.
dang!! pretty good thought there... imagine that.....
Armageddon Sunset
11-13-2006, 09:26 PM
u know what? i was thinking and i bet i could put a motor at each of my wheels and have a quad engine AWD setup. my only problem is how to shift all four transmissions since i only have 2 hands, i bet i could just weld all the shifters together or find a way to mount CV transmissions for each motor so i don't have to shift. do you think it would b hard to do? i know some of the large auto manufacturers are fiddling w/ this idea right now but w/ electric motors, but those suck i want to try this w/ gasoline engines...
I know that is sarcasm... but it would be a lot simpler with just 2 engines, Suzuki done it with its earliest Escudo pikes peak version, front and rear mounted V6 engines. everything was controlled by a shit load of electronics so that both engines ran at the same RPM as well as the throttle and and both tranny's were synched up to shift at the same time. pure engineering marvel. Later models just ran one engine.
DOHCstunr funny post, wasnt expecting the last bit about sticking mitsu emblems on the Supra.
dude this mod is so common i can't believe you guys are bitching like little girls over it.
seriously pure simplicity.
you want a rwd 2jz 8g?
simple enough.
first things first you have to yank the motor,
after that yank the front crossmember,
after that yank the rear suspension and the remaining front suspension.
then remove the wiring harness.
next you have to take the radiator core support out to make room for the new setup, so of course the bumpers and fenders have to be removed.
to make it easy to get inside for the duration of the swap you will want to take off the doors and trunk
which of course will mean all the interior pieces as well since you will be doing some metal cutting soon enough.
the gas tank wiull have to go since it won't clear the driveshaft.
ok
next we get to the hard core fabricating parts
you are going to have to tear almost all of the floor out of the cabin or jsut tear all the floor out of the cabin we can redo it later
you will have to cut the floor out of the trunk as well but no worries we will make the new trunk even better than mitsu desinged it.
ok now for the parts car,
oh yes you will need a supra as a parts car if you wnt to be able to do this.
ok take the emblems from yoru 8g and put them on the supra.
next take the vehicle catalyst off the 8g from under the hood and put it on the supra.
next take the door sticker out and put it on the supra.
next salvage all the remaining metal to get money for the supra
after that
get to the dmv and get a kit car registration and vanity tags that say "8G GLANT"
use the money from the leftover parts to gas it up and take pics for all of us to see.
a tgc classic. :laughing:
seth98esT
11-13-2006, 10:19 PM
I know that is sarcasm... but it would be a lot simpler with just 2 engines, Suzuki done it with its earliest Escudo pikes peak version, front and rear mounted V6 engines. everything was controlled by a shit load of electronics so that both engines ran at the same RPM as well as the throttle and and both tranny's were synched up to shift at the same time. pure engineering marvel. Later models just ran one engine.
DOHCstunr funny post, wasnt expecting the last bit about sticking mitsu emblems on the Supra.
Ive seen a duel motor car in a Hyundai Tiburon and a 1g Eclipse. Not impossible, just pointless.
6G72gearhead
11-13-2006, 10:33 PM
What about fixing twin motors to mate up to the splined shafts in the hubs of the rears. I'm talking brushless motors, they wont last a long time as they arent regenerative (On braking they wont create voltage like a DC motor will) so you would be severly limited in batterys. Brushless motors will spin as high as the magnet can stay together probably about 200k+ rpms, and produce hella torque. On second though I'll just let the OE's finish developing exactly what I've discrbed (exept it will only be available for new cars and not as a bolt on kit) You could also cut out the trunk well and fab up a ford 9 inch and instead of powering it with the existing engine, use a turbinique drag axle to produce 1000hp to the rear wheels.
Seriously the 2jz is too long for the car in the first place. The rearend could be solved by heavily beefing up a vr4 unit but its not worth it. You may have better luck however, mounting the existing engine in the right way.
And for those who think electics are slow, mitsubishi had an electric evo with a motor at each wheel and it produced times very close to that of the existing evo. Also the fastest rc cars in the world are electric with a record of 160.1 mph.
Kwikfox
11-14-2006, 12:02 AM
Wow... putting the supra motor into the galant is like someone dropping a turbo 4g63 motor into a 1st gen MR2... which HAS been done, and I have seen it. Its terrible... I mean no offense to the motor, or the car, but I dont believe that things like that should be done, except on hot rods. Also for the person who mentioned putting the supra emblem on the galant, or something like that... the other night Miss Mav. and I were out to dinner, and we saw a completely riced out Celica GT, even had the Celica and GT decals on back, but the emblem was a Honda emblem... it was terrible! But ya, people should keep motors within the same car company at least, well in my opinion anyways.
6G72gearhead
11-14-2006, 12:35 AM
I can think of a couple approved ones.
A Ford 5.0L V8 in a miata
A Lexus 4.0L V8 in a miata
A 350 in a lotus super seven
An LS motor in a FD RX-7
An LS motor in a 240 SX
A K series mounted in a lotus elise
Thats all I have for now.
u know what? i was thinking and i bet i could put a motor at each of my wheels and have a quad engine AWD setup. my only problem is how to shift all four transmissions since i only have 2 hands, i bet i could just weld all the shifters together or find a way to mount CV transmissions for each motor so i don't have to shift. do you think it would b hard to do? i know some of the large auto manufacturers are fiddling w/ this idea right now but w/ electric motors, but those suck i want to try this w/ gasoline engines... and then turbocharge all of them! that would just be soooooo awesome. i have a friend that can make parts for me and i bet we can do it for less than $10. i'll be sure to post pics of our progress.
LOL
on a serious note. i read that mitsu made a prototype evo wtih 4 electric engines at each wheel. have to dig up that old issue of sport compact car...
SkylineG1
11-14-2006, 10:24 AM
LOL
on a serious note. i read that mitsu made a prototype evo wtih 4 electric engines at each wheel. have to dig up that old issue of sport compact car...
Off topic: Dude are you coming to the meet on Sunday?
DOHCstunr
11-14-2006, 10:54 AM
LOL
on a serious note. i read that mitsu made a prototype evo wtih 4 electric engines at each wheel. have to dig up that old issue of sport compact car...
its called Miev,
and its impressive as hell.
Reelax
11-14-2006, 02:51 PM
so damn i'm at a stand still in my engine swaps. i can't figure out where to put my v6 w/ the other 4 engines in the car! o yeah, i'm not going to use the v6 to drive any of the wheels, it's strictly going to power my climate controls and my audio/video system. i think i will have the first 5 engine 8g ever; i'll call it a vr5! do you guys think it would b a good idea to run the collectors directly into the cabin becuase the exhaust is gonna b pretty loud and i don't want to get pulled over for the noise; i'll just keep my windows rolled up so that the cops can't hear it! this is gonna be so awesome you guys are gonna love it!
Stewi
11-14-2006, 05:07 PM
Yeah Reelax, you need to pack your car out with ICE and then use the V6 motor to spin a big alternator to power your ICE and your hydraulics
DNSerrano
11-14-2006, 07:37 PM
We'll it didn't hurt to ask. It was just a thought, like any other. Thanks for your opinions guys! My work here is done! :-P
Reelax
11-14-2006, 07:40 PM
Yeah Reelax, you need to pack your car out with ICE and then use the V6 motor to spin a big alternator to power your ICE and your hydraulics
i wonder how much hydraulics it would take to get the car to do backflips. maybe i can use the tanks and cylinders from a bulldozer. i think me and my friend can do this for less than $10 if we do the install ourselves. i'm gonna go see if APC has some parts for this, they alway have the good shit in their catalogs.
We'll it didn't hurt to ask. It was just a thought, like any other. Thanks for your opinions guys! My work here is done! :-P
seriously, a 2jz engine in an 8g can b done... it would cost alot and be very cool and would cost alot.
did i mention it would cost alot?
4-G-rim
11-14-2006, 08:49 PM
2JZ in a 8g.............understeer heaven! :???:
6G72gearhead
11-14-2006, 10:31 PM
2JZ in a 8g.............understeer heaven! :???:
With rwd. More like holy oversteer batman.
2JZ in a 8g.............understeer heaven! :???:
With rwd. More like holy oversteer batman.
2JZ in a 8g.............understeer heaven! :???:
With rwd. More like holy oversteer batman.
Reelax
11-15-2006, 02:20 PM
With rwd. More like holy oversteer batman.
With rwd. More like holy oversteer batman.
With rwd. More like holy oversteer batman.
holy triple post batman
SinSere
11-15-2006, 03:23 PM
Anything is possible with the right amount of money. Why do you think rich old guys always have young, hot chicks.
6G72gearhead
11-15-2006, 03:34 PM
holy triple post batman
WTF how did I do that?
Chero2000
11-16-2006, 01:47 PM
I think the 2JZ is as big as the entire front end of the galants. LOL..
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