Engine swap under way [Archive]

Blue Ice

08-19-2007, 10:05 PM

finally i've had the time to do something i should have done over a year ago.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/0815072338.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/0819071950.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/0819071952.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/0819072046a.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/0819072046.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/0819072107.jpg

DOHCstunr

08-19-2007, 10:42 PM

atta boy

:wink:

njjfudge

08-19-2007, 10:45 PM

bout time!!!!!!! 8) enjoy the swap

seth98esT

08-19-2007, 11:20 PM

Yay the fun has started. Keep the thread updated!

4-G-rim

08-20-2007, 08:19 AM

Thats my man!

What are you going to do with the old 4G64? :?

Strizi81

08-20-2007, 08:20 AM

What engine is going in?

8G_GTZ

08-20-2007, 06:44 PM

What engine is going in?

LS1 350.....................

or a 4G63T from an Eclipse

Sleepervr-4

08-26-2007, 07:55 PM

Sweet bro....Keep up the good work :wink:

Blue Ice

08-29-2007, 11:18 PM

The current sub-project, fabricating a 7g turbo wire harness :smt100 :smt073

The 2g donor harness
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/0829070104.jpg
a few parts that will need to be transplanted.
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/0829070104a.jpg

The OBD2 7g harness that i "pick n pulled" for $18 8)
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/0829070103.jpg

Blue Ice

08-29-2007, 11:20 PM

oh. and the most important item...
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/0815072338a.jpg

6G72gearhead

08-29-2007, 11:29 PM

Are you still planning on staying with the 14b. If so I've got a friend thats got a couple of extra's if you need them.

Blue Ice

08-29-2007, 11:36 PM

yeah, i'm just gonna start with that turbo for now, then when everything is in, ok, and i have a few other things to monitor and tune the set up, i'll go bigger. but i'd be interested in hearing about these "extra's"

4g63lover

08-30-2007, 12:26 AM

that motor looks clean as hell! rebuilt?

6G72gearhead

08-30-2007, 12:33 AM

Blue Ice

08-30-2007, 01:12 AM

that motor looks clean as hell! rebuilt?

More or less rebuilt, cleaned up the intake and exhaust ports, painted the exhaust mani with 1200 degree paint (hopefully it'll hold) repainted the valve cover, need to paint the intake mani. various replacement parts, metal head gasket, 4 layer exhaust gasket, HKS cams 264/272, Crower springs and spring seats (ported 2g head, cams, and springs thanks to Sinsere) not pictured Fidanza Cam gears,

DOHCstunr

08-30-2007, 05:14 AM

1200 isn't going to cut it.
less all you plan to do is idle that engine.

laxinwarrior

08-30-2007, 03:04 PM

Damn how did I miss this thread. :evil: Congrats and good luck on the swap, we need a few more turbo 7g's around here.

phizzalot

08-30-2007, 06:07 PM

Blue Ice

08-30-2007, 10:06 PM

Dam BLue Ice, I knew your were coming back strong but WOW.....

If you get the chance Iam sure other members would benefit from a write up on how to rewire the 7g harness... Just curious what year galant did you pull the harness from as well as the eclipse?

95 7g, but i check to make sure there were 4 plugs to the ecu 4=obd2, and not sure about the 2g wire harness, but 95 - 99 will be obd2. AND i also figured how to get the factory crimped wire connector out of the plug, so you can transfer the entier wire from one harness to the next without cutting.

But today i didn't mess with the harnesses, i chose to wrench in the garage instead. got the cam gears on, timing belt, a/c unit, engine mount, belt cover on the new motor. Then, the tranny, and clutch plate off the old motor. Tomorrow i'll get new belts, and hoses.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/0830072124a.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/0830072124.jpg

lonestar22

08-31-2007, 12:01 AM

damn that looks like fun. i know my way around wires but that wiring harness looks scary

Blue Ice

09-06-2007, 02:16 AM

damn that looks like fun. i know my way around wires but that wiring harness looks scary

Actually sat down tonight with wiring diagrams for both ecu's and looks like, 80% of the wires are the same( different colors, but go to the samething on both cars.

What needs to be done is add a few wires. which i now think i have all if not most, out of the donor, and just need to run them into the G harness. i started the process today, but spent a many hours today on Forza 2 :roll:

This ones for you John
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/0904072226.jpg

Now, Superman that. YOU!!!
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/0904072314.jpg

dknight3

09-06-2007, 03:28 AM

good luck man.

Galant Kid

09-06-2007, 04:05 AM

Fender covers! I'd hate for you to scratch up that beautiful paint, man.

Wiring: Something I'll pay others to do. :lol: You're a champ, I have no patience for that kind of work. Maybe it's because 7/8 of my last year in VoTech was spent on Electronics. Wiring diagrams...easy on paper!!

Nice progress, keep up the good work.

6G72gearhead

09-07-2007, 01:30 AM

DOHCstunr

09-07-2007, 04:33 AM

HAHA! hows it feel!

time to get down to business son!

99 galant

09-07-2007, 05:30 AM

lol thats funny

Blue Ice

09-07-2007, 02:32 PM

6G72gearhead

09-08-2007, 01:01 AM

mostly because I'm fucking skinny.

hahaha exactly what i was thinking

Stunr, i plan to be done with the wiring over the weekend, tranny gets bolted to new block and engine going in on monday. if i don't get hit with the lazy bug that is.
Have you seen the hole between the front of the trans and the back of the core support, I think even you could stand in there.

6G72gearhead

09-08-2007, 01:01 AM

4g63lover

09-08-2007, 12:26 PM

cant wait til this is done. your 7G wil be the bomb!

Blue Ice

09-12-2007, 03:18 PM

Well the wire harness is 95% finished, just need to quintuple check to make sure everything is wired in and up correctly. Soddered all splices, now taping and looming the Harness.

Engine bay opinion, should i loom the harness with Red or Black loom. My original idea was to loom all the additional 2g connectors in Red and the original 7g in black. I'll put a poll up so people can leave an opinion.

seth98esT

09-12-2007, 03:30 PM

All black, there is no other choice.

Stewi

09-12-2007, 05:09 PM

Black all the way, I just did mine with all new loom and it looks really clean

pinoyesv6

09-12-2007, 05:52 PM

yea black all the way. i've seen with many red looms that they turn pink after a while.

although pink isn't a bad thing.

DOHCstunr

09-12-2007, 06:36 PM

yes. black loom. no question.

loom is cheap. its inexpensive and ANYOne can do it. why ruin a potentially awesome engine bay with a red mess.

wiring should be stealth. wiring should be out of sight.

when i did my wiring i even moved a lot of factory wires in order to hide them, or make them less obvious.
Who wants to see wiring anyways..... EVERY SINGLE ENGINE BAY OUT THERE HAS WIRES.
Very few have 4g63t's. very few have charge pipes and turbo's.
very few galant bays say DOHC

besides, there is nothing red on your car. why start now.

Jeffylou87

09-12-2007, 10:42 PM

Is that wendy's cup the new intake? lol

Looks good so far

4-G-rim

09-13-2007, 03:47 PM

Go Lawrence...keep doing it big! Looking forward to the finished product and enjoy the relms of goodness the 4G63 brings to you. :twisted:

Blue Ice

09-15-2007, 03:20 AM

so today was a garage day, but ended up being a wire harness night.

Here's the little piddley crap i'm dealing with cause i'm trying to make sure this thing has as little problems as i can. For sure the 95-98 wire harness will bolt up to the extensions fine... but...

I have a 94 ES with all the luxuries, and i pulled the 95-98 was a DS, as in now ABS, and it didn't have power windows, but i'm thinking this didn't have any differences.

After pulling mu OBD1 94 LS wire harness, i noticed two differences right away. There are two extra pins in the Engine bay fuse box connector, that aren't in the 95-98, and there is another connector(goes to MFI and something else i haven't found yet) that on the 94 has 8 pins, and the 95-98 has two conectors with 4 pins each. most of which can be transferred into the the 8 pin connector, but two are completely different so, i'll spend Sunday trying to trace their where abouts.

as for all the other connectors, they are the same, so everything should run fine. that's problem #1

prob #2
since i did the tranny swap, my rear tranny mount has only had two bolts holding it down where it should have 3. one (the one on the side by itself) broke, and is seized in the hole. It won't come out, and i'm sick of trying to deal with this, so i'm about to say "two tears in a bucket...."

those are the biggest headaches so far, i'm sure i'll have many more if this mo fo doesn't start.

But on the other hand, the A/C bracket, and power steering bracket will bolt up fine. The alt, and A/C belts are for 92 2.0 turbo, and the waterpump to power steering was for a 94 Galant as the 90- 92 2.0 turbo had a ribbed belt insterad if the four groove belt. andi used the groove pully form the 2.4l sohc.

ok i've had a few to drink so i'mma STFU now. :oops:

DOHCstunr

09-15-2007, 04:13 PM

just use the drivebelt/pulleys from your 4g64.
resuse the alty and p/s pump as well.

6G72gearhead

09-16-2007, 01:58 AM

If you want I can bring over an easy out and give that a shot on the mounting bolts.

Blue Ice

09-16-2007, 03:48 AM

If you want I can bring over an easy out and give that a shot on the mounting bolts.

treid it, i broke one of my craftsman's. I'll probably try a lil more drilling tomorrow. i'll probably just put so many holes in it, it will crumble like cheese

thebirdman13

09-16-2007, 04:18 AM

(the one on the side by itself) broke, and is seized in the hole. It won't come out, and i'm sick of trying to deal with this

get a tap and dye kit from home depot or lowes...

Blue Ice

09-16-2007, 11:52 AM

(the one on the side by itself) broke, and is seized in the hole. It won't come out, and i'm sick of trying to deal with this

get a tap and dye kit from home depot or lowes...
i'll have to look into that, probably tonight after the games.

Blue Ice

09-16-2007, 10:10 PM

How to Repin the connectors for the ECU (https://www.thegalantcenter.org/viewtopic.php?t=59645) <~~ click for link

Blue Ice

10-18-2007, 06:58 PM

Just an update, but no pics, cause it reall doesn't look any different.

ECU = in,
Wireharness = in,
Apexi downpipe = in,
Umm, that's about it for now

but next week is Vaca again, so we'll see how far i get. HALO 3 soaked up pretty much all of my last Vaca. :roll:

Blue Ice

10-22-2007, 08:59 PM

first day of Vaca
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/1022071604.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/1022071958.jpg

6G72gearhead

10-22-2007, 09:41 PM

lonestar22

10-22-2007, 11:09 PM

do i wire tuck

6G72gearhead

10-23-2007, 02:17 AM

do i wire tuck

My opinion, wire tucks are too extreme, they get the wireing which is already a bitch to work with, and hide it, to where its impossible to work on the harness.

Phil

10-25-2007, 11:55 AM

looking good man. good luck on the swap!!

Blue Ice

04-15-2008, 08:57 PM

Spring fever has brought back Galant Fever, and now it seems like this project is a lot closer to getting done. With that, here's some of the latest progress.
Today i got the IC assembled and installed It's the 2g kit from Dejon and fits pretty damn well, only thing is i removed the powersteering line and replaced it with a shorter hose.
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/0415082001.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/0415082001a.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/0415082001b.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/0415082002.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/0415082003.jpg

Gonna have to find a piece to connect here.
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/0415082005.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/0415082005a.jpg

The hose that came off one of the ends of the powersteering cooler hardline.
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/0415082004.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/0415082004a.jpg

Blue Ice

04-15-2008, 09:02 PM

some pics of the hardline that i romoved

here it pushed the top of the IC forward
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/0919061349.jpg

Here you can see the two hardlines sticking out on the left which got in the way of the feed cooler pipe
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/0919061423.jpg

Shadow19

04-16-2008, 11:56 AM

Man this makes me want to say to hell with the 1g and swap motors in my galant........ ;-).. keep up the good work bro. Im glad to see someone stepping up to the plate.

Blue Ice

04-16-2008, 01:28 PM

Haha, i was thinking the other day it was time for you to make a new sig. yeah your 7g needs more love.

So i got the replacement fender on today. Color match FTW

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/0416081312.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/0416081312a.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/0416081313a.jpg

Shadow19

04-16-2008, 01:45 PM

phizzalot

04-16-2008, 07:22 PM

veddy nice... Keep up the good work...

T-double

04-17-2008, 02:05 PM

lookin good baby.....keep postin

seth98esT

04-17-2008, 02:26 PM

I miss my silver 7g! Keep up the work, get her back on the road for some summer meets! Ill have something built by May, couldnt tell you what it will be yet though haha.

4-G-rim

04-17-2008, 03:09 PM

Thats my boy! the 7g's are making some moves this year so far. :smile:

Blue Ice

04-21-2008, 11:57 AM

Back on all fours
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/0421081134a.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/0421081134.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/0421081133.jpg

4-G-rim

04-21-2008, 01:57 PM

Very good progress Lawrence! I am envious :smile:

ShiZnitH

04-21-2008, 02:22 PM

That G is hot :cool: Lot of work has been putted in here :)

laxinwarrior

04-21-2008, 05:06 PM

Congrats man, it looks great. I can't wait to see you get finished so you can get her on the road.

bronxbombr

04-21-2008, 06:05 PM

Great going, shit looks nice. Wish mine can look as good when im done with it.

DOHCstunr

04-21-2008, 07:11 PM

you shoudl turn the bov around. will make a shorter recirculation tube, and give you more better bov sound.

can't wait to see it with a hood on it and wheels spinning.

don't stop believing man!

T-double

04-22-2008, 09:44 AM

whattt keep up the good work man....that 7g is lookin good

Blue Ice

04-23-2008, 02:31 PM

Well. kind of a minor bump in the road...

The wiring harness i fabbed i think will work, i just have to redo some of the wire lengths, and routes through the harness. This may take a full day, but i'm waiting on a new cam Angle Sensor casing to come in from Mitsubishi.

Oh and in case you're ever wondering, a new CAS casing from the dealer
92-94 $600 = :o
http://members.shaw.ca/dsm.1000q/Engineprimer/1G/cas.jpg

95-99 $34 :)
http://members.shaw.ca/dsm.1000q/Engineprimer/2G/cas.jpg
glad i'm going with a 2g hybrid wireharness

4g63mightymax

04-23-2008, 03:58 PM

That is definitely looking beautiful. As for that CAS, I highly recommend making friends with the guys in the DSM forums if you aren't already. Most of them have parts like these stacked up in their garages, and would be happy to help you out of you needed one. They can also be bought at most junkyards for $15-$25 if you pretend you have no idea what it is, and dress like you are homeless. Spending $600 at Mitsu is insanity.
Keep up the great work!

-Jeremy

T-double

04-24-2008, 01:17 PM

dsm damn 600 I would have went to the junk yard and got a couple....would have not been the first time that I would have done it.....but keep up the good work ice....hopfully I will be postin some pics next....

Blue Ice

04-24-2008, 04:43 PM

welli tried to go to the jy last week. there was only one 1g dsm and the entire engine was gone. Unfortunately, the pick and pull is on the opposite corner of the city, and i don't like driving 30 min for "i hope they have what i need" then driving 30 min back empty handed. the ones on ebay looked pretty shoddy, so last stop was mitsu.

Currently, the wire harness is sitting in my bedroom, 80% tagged. ( which will make it easier to write a tutorial... if it works) I hope to get the things fixed and in by the end of the night.

Blue Ice

04-25-2008, 10:51 AM

Found this on Vfaq.com
http://www.magnusmotorsports.com/tech/1gina2g.pdf
For those that don't know i'm going with a 95 Eprom Ecu and a JDM 6 bolt so essentially it is a 1g in a 2g
This pdf by magnum made it so i could use my current 1g CAS. 1g CAS is better than 2g CAS cause i can adjust timing with the CAS itself.
Solution, hardwired the 1g CAS straight to the wireharness
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/0425081036.jpg

T-double

04-25-2008, 01:00 PM

cool good to hear some good news....

Blue Ice

05-10-2008, 01:16 PM

finally got the power transistor today, but no time to work an the car. will find out if it runs this week!!!

seth98esT

05-10-2008, 01:57 PM

Did you hardwire the CAS or leave a connector on its pigtail? Good luck man, keep us updated!

lonestar22

05-10-2008, 04:33 PM

wire loom < wire tuck

JDM4G64T

05-10-2008, 06:00 PM

finally got the power transistor today, but no time to work an the car. will find out if it runs this week!!!

Good luck, nice work so far!!

Blue Ice

05-10-2008, 07:08 PM

Did you hardwire the CAS or leave a connector on its pigtail? Good luck man, keep us updated!

Just hardwired it. my CAS was connector was off. If you get a 1g CAS with a connector, Magnus makes an adaptor that will connect right into a stock 2g wiring setup.

I worked on fitting the front bumper wed,
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/0507081333.jpg
and also tried to get my lower rear sway bar on...
this is the result of using an impact wrench on the bolt
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/0507081202.jpg

and this is how the car looks now
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/0510081845.jpg

Blue Ice

05-15-2008, 10:21 PM

Hooked up the battery last night. got the lights and all accessories to come on.
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/0514082349.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/0515080011a.jpg

Tried to get her to start today after work, but all it did was go tick tick, and then it blew the fuse the battery was on. Couldn't mess with it cause i had a B-day party to get to. While i was gone, i remembered i had a problem with the starter before i ever swapped anything out. So when i got back, i eliminated the fuse, and got the engine to crank, but won't turn over. I'm thinking there is a fuel issue.

T-double

05-20-2008, 10:13 AM

come on blue ice........

XXL4G64

05-30-2008, 12:47 AM

do what you do my man you make me want 2 be there and know everything you know

Blue Ice

05-30-2008, 04:29 PM

Fuel issue has been solved. Last crank effort i could here the injectors spraying, and the fuel pump was on, but still no spark anywhere. Current status; engine harness is pulled again :roll: plan on tracing every wire to make sure everything is getting a connection.

So close, yet so far away.

DOHCstunr

05-30-2008, 08:53 PM

wow.... whole harness huh.

I'd of just checked anything ignition related. before i did all that.

your fuel pump goes on because you bipassed everything right... so it goes on before your CAS even picks up a signal.
so you can't assume that you are getting a crank signal.

When you said your injectors are spraying.... i've never heard mine and they are HUGE.
what i can do is put my fingers on them while the motor is running and i can feel them pulse open and closed.

if in fact your injectors are pulsing... then you can assume that you are gettign a crank signal to the ecu... which would lead you to checking ignition components themselves.

i'd go in this order..... coil packs. make sure they are getting power, and that they check out resitance wise.
then check that your ignition transitor pack is wired properly, and of course verify that it is correctly functioning.

after that i'd start looking at your harness and checking it for continuity.

Blue Ice

05-31-2008, 02:56 AM

took the transistor pack to my cousins house and plugged it into her 2g. (did that sunday past.) Her car started and ran fine. Another reason for pulling the harness was i didn't like the way it had to be ran. Looked like a jarbled mess hanging out over the tranny. plus i didn't feel 100% comfortable with some of the sodering jobs i did.

as for the injectors. i had a low battery, 1. 2, I fooled around and changed the 1st injector to one of the old galant injectors before i read that it had to be 450 cc or the ECU wouldn't spray. so when i tried to start the car, it had a slow crank and could hear pst, pst, pst, x, pst, pst, pst, x. i just assumed it was the injectors and the non spray was the old galant injector. also after taking off the valve cover i could smell the gas.

I'm also missing an engine speed sensor, not to be confused with vehicle speed sensor. As for the coil pack connector there are three wires, one of which comes from the ESS (blu/red i believe) the other two are Blu/blk (from the transistor pack) and a ground (which goes through the internal wiring) but what is wierd is for the ESS two wires connect into one terminal... not sure what's up with that.

DOHCstunr

05-31-2008, 09:23 AM

engine speed sensor?

Blue Ice

05-31-2008, 08:01 PM

I think i figured out what's wrong, but am too afraid of looking stupid to say....

mko

05-31-2008, 09:36 PM

Yeah, looks good bro.

Im gonna do some similar to what youve done. Ill convert my 94 OBD1 Galant to Obd2. I have the harness already, just need the timing plate behind the crank sprocket. Even better, I found out that some of the 97 Galants do not have emissions components - EGR, canister, solenoids, so I might get one of these harnesses. These days Ive been working with some machine shop to fabricate an adapter so I can use the distributor on the DOHC head. I think I dont need to go with 2G ECU and coil packs for now, which will cost me a lot more than fabricating an adaptor.

4-G-rim

05-31-2008, 09:42 PM

I think i figured out what's wrong, but am too afraid of looking stupid to say....

Dude...considering what you have done and accomplished, I think we'll cut you some slack.:cool: We all make mistakes...even simple obvious ones.

Blue Ice

06-01-2008, 03:31 AM

Dude...considering what you have done and accomplished, I think we'll cut you some slack.:cool: We all make mistakes...even simple obvious ones.

... i have a feeling the timing belt is skipping. when i took the engine harness out i noticed the CAS and cam sprockets were in the same position when i put the CAS in after i hard wired it.. i was like "Hmm that should be easy to remember..." Then i read somw hwere about changing the timing belt and tensioner... and was like" that's kind of a far fetched coincidence" so now i'm thinking i might have tightened the cam bolts too tight, and the belt tensioner wasn't tight enough.

Thing is, i'm doing this by myself, so from the driver seat, IF the belt is skipping, it looks like it's turning. will find out this week. I'm off wed and thursday. so i plan to get this resolved within that time frame.

fuel

06-01-2008, 05:45 AM

if the cambelt is skipping it will not open/close the valves in time (obviously) so it wont hold compression when it should be - result will be the motor turning over really easily, as if you have the spark plugs out. Did you turn the engine over a few times by hand after you fitted the new belt and tensioner, and checked for tightness/too much slack etc?

cross fingers it hasn't bent valves.

Blue Ice

06-16-2008, 06:47 PM

Blue Ice remains "frozen" in it's dormant state due to a "what i've diagnosed as" a bad CAS. After doing a volt check, it's not acting right. Sucky thing is about a month ago when i went to the JY i saw a 1g DOHC still intact, w/ CAS and i didn't have the tools for it. (that's when i thought it was a fuel pump relay issue and all i was looking for was the wire harness)

too bad 1g CAS are $300+ from the local parts store. Not really sure if i want to trust Ebay. I have a feeling a new CAS will also fix the fuel pump problem.

mko

06-16-2008, 07:02 PM

try hyundai CAS. Some have 6 bolt N/A. I bet will be cheaper at the hyundai dealer as well

4-G-rim

06-16-2008, 07:21 PM

If you have no luck within the next week or so Lawrence...I will see if I can get you a 1g CAS for you.

Blue Ice

06-16-2008, 08:37 PM

thanks Kev, i'm gonna try to check this week a couple more places, if not i can get one on ebay or something.

Had a guy that's into 1g's stop by today to take a look at all that i've done. He was telling me about all the emissions stuff i could/should eliminate. We don't even have emission test around here, so i was wondering what you guys thought about eliminating the emissions stuff. i know it could clear up the engine bay a ton.

Blue Ice

06-16-2008, 08:39 PM

try hyundai CAS. Some have 6 bolt N/A. I bet will be cheaper at the hyundai dealer as well

what year and model?

716GalantES

06-16-2008, 10:31 PM

looking good Blue Ice keep it man man and never quit!!! 8)

mko

06-17-2008, 12:40 AM

what year and model?

I know 95-00 Elantras come with 6 bolt n/a 4g63, cuz I got my 60mm tb and cai off that car, and its adjustable as well

Blue Ice

07-29-2008, 12:45 AM

ok, rediagnosed the problem after pulling the harness again.
(i'm getting so good at this it's only taking me about 10 min to do so)

anyway, i used an ohm tester to check every wire to make sure it's running completely through and finally decided to look into the fus box in the engine compartment....

only to see that the 15amp fuse labeled ECS was empty...
{not sure when that happened.}

please cross your fingers i plan on putting the harnes back in tomorrow and seeing if this works.

then the next thing i'll need is the name of the brand of Man Boost Cont. that Kev recently got for his G

greddy

07-29-2008, 12:56 AM

Nice work man, keep at it, we wanna see this beast fired up and going down the road!

Blue Ice

07-29-2008, 02:08 AM

ok so looked under the hood again to find that there is not a wire hooked up to the ECS fuse, but looked at the origianal 94 harness i pulled to see that there is a Red?blue wire coming from the fuse box connector that eventually runs to a BLK / Red wire. Blk/Red is seen as power in almost every connection it's in

bmore303

07-29-2008, 10:10 AM

Kev has a Lower Shores Performance MBC. I also picked up one after hearing from him and reading the reviews on a VR4 forum.

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZlower_shores_performance

Keep up the good work Blue Ice.

DOHCstunr

07-29-2008, 10:41 AM

that fuse is empty on my GS.... don't know what it would do on a lesser model.

Blue Ice

08-17-2008, 04:24 AM

So i decided to re read 7g(97/98): JiPs 2g ECU Swap tutorial (https://www.thegalantcenter.org/forumdisplay.php?f=92) and came across
Just a Copy paste since I have nowhere to host it:

*Now turn the key to ON DO NOT CRANK THE ENGINE, JUST TURN TO ON POSITION *Pay attention to the dash lights. *The battery light, Check engine light, SRS lights come on and should all turn off after a few seconds. *If the check engine light NEVER illuminates when the key turns to ON then the ECU is not getting power at pin 82 (ignition wire) check the voltage on that line, if it reads 12v then your ECU is probably busted.

...Well you know the light didn't come on. Looks like i will be combing the local JY's for a 2g ecu. Since this is probably the problem it makes me feel better about my wiring work.

bmore303

08-17-2008, 03:55 PM

Ouch that sucks, I hope don't run into that issue with my 2g eprom

Blue Ice

08-21-2008, 12:49 AM

so today i picked up my 96 AWD ecu. and yep the Check engine light came on. But the engine didn't start, but it tries to. So the engine is now getting sparks and the injectors are firing. The engine seems to want to turn over, but just isn't quite doing so. I'm sure it can be a combination of many things, from timing (main issue) to the gas that's been sitting in the tank almost a year now, to a battery that just doesn't seem to have enough cranking power. But all in all i'm sooooo close, and it's a lil frustrating.

bmore303

08-21-2008, 01:06 AM

Well charge that battery, get some fresh 93, and lets start knocking out the possibilities :) .

bmore303

08-21-2008, 01:10 AM

One question though, you are using a 1g CAS on a 2g ECU correct? Did you invert the signal by swapping injector pins and coils?

sorry for the double post. - edit

Blue Ice

08-21-2008, 08:40 AM

yeah, i did that... so i'm looking more so at the angle of the CAS

bmore303

08-21-2008, 10:14 PM

Cool, you think it's just 180 degrees out? Seems to be a common mistake that will either let the car run crappy or not at all.

Blue Ice

08-26-2008, 02:16 PM

It STARTED!! WOOHOOO!!! :smt026

Looked over the Magnus 1g in a 2g again. Re aligned everything to TDC and reinstalled the CAS, when i pulled it out it wasn't even lined up with the slots. Tried to start it, and it did the same. For 95-96 it says to change the spark plugs 1and 4 with 2 and 3. when i tried to start it after that... VVVVRRRROOOOOOMMMM!!!!!!!

but the RPMs never came back down to normal idle... then when i got out and went to the front, there was oil all over the floor WTF!?

I must say at this point i was shaking like a mo fo, just cause it started

So now i'm thinking the rewire i did on the fuel pump made the fuel pump run max, resulting in the car idling at top rpm. Also i figured out the oil came from the U shaped hose that goes out and back into the oil pump. So i replaced that too. I need to get more oil, and i plan on pulling her out, washing her, and taking pics when i get back.

greddy

08-26-2008, 02:35 PM

congrats on it starting man!

DOHCstunr

08-26-2008, 02:37 PM

U shaped hose?

also, your idle is probably high because of the IAC.

I never had the patience to rewire it, but the pins for the 7g iac are in a different order than the 2g iac. or it was something like that. so now matter what i tried, i couldn't get it to idle where its suppoised to,

so i just got a fiav and iac blockoff plate from slowboy, and now i have a perfect idle,(cept when its cold.. but only till it warms up.)

also before you do all that, do you have coolant running to your throttle body? if you don't then your fiav is never going to close.

a high idle will have nothing to do with your fuel pump.
Your fuel pump has nothing to do with your engine getting more air.... which is the only thing thats going to raise the engine speed.

congrats on getting it started.... finally. maybe we can line them up somemtime soon.

seth98esT

08-26-2008, 02:57 PM

Congrats. +1 for the IAC blockoff. Mine worked like a champ. I never wired up my IAC and battled with irractic idles, one day it would be fine, next it would be too low, next too high. Installed the IAC/FIAV blockoff and it idled like a champ to wherever I set the BISS.

Let us know on how things go!

4-G-rim

08-26-2008, 03:09 PM

That is great to here Lawrence :cool:

+1 on the FIAV blockoff. I had some idling issues on my GVR4 so when I decided to swap to a N/T throttle body, I had the guy that rebuilt it and bore it out eliminate the FIAV assembly all together. When I installed the new N/T body...the car has idled perfectly ever since.

Blue Ice

08-26-2008, 06:50 PM

She hasn't been outside since last Aug, and hasn't had a bath in even longer time. She was well overdue.
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/DSCN0379.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/DSCN0383.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/DSCN0386.jpg
how bout the "hot" and "cold"
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/DSCN0381.jpg
wasn't going to post any bay pics till i had a chance to clean up the wires, but i figure i'd probably get booed.

kolio

08-26-2008, 09:20 PM

congrats!

now pictures are pointless. clean everything up and get some WOT pulls on video!!!!!

bmore303

08-26-2008, 09:29 PM

Fucking nice man!!! We need some vids now!!

4-G-rim

08-26-2008, 09:47 PM

Just beautiful! :cool:

I bet you are excited like you were a little kid knowing what you were going to get for Christmas :smile:

DOHCstunr

08-26-2008, 09:55 PM

can't wait to see that front bumper hacked all to shit to clear that intercooler.

mmmmm beef

guynlidia2006

08-26-2008, 09:57 PM

damn kicks ass.... you have alot more pacients than me

laxinwarrior

08-27-2008, 02:00 PM

Congrats man, glad to see you got it up and running. :)

seth98esT

08-27-2008, 02:37 PM

She hasn't been outside since last Aug, and hasn't had a bath in even longer time. She was well overdue.
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/DSCN0381.jpg
wasn't going to post any bay pics till i had a chance to clean up the wires, but i figure i'd probably get booed.

From this pic, looks like you are going to have to cut down the red hot side intercooler piping a bit. Shouldnt be hard, but probably will be hard to fit the bumper the way it sits. Maybe it wont, just looks like 6" or so of extra piping :)

Blue Ice

08-27-2008, 02:46 PM

i've already done some hacking on the front bumper. Trying to make it look more stock than modified, and yeah about 6 inches is right. basically it all comes out of the middle. i want it to fit flush against the sides of the IC. Looks like they made the pipe like that so it didn't have 90 degree bends.

I do have coolant going to the throttle body, and i'll have to look into the FAIC block off plate. As far as idle speed, i think i didn't realize how loud it was going to be with half exhaust ran, and inside the garage. Add the HKS cams and i was taken by a huge surprise. I also think i had the throttle body cable set to max idle. Even though i had it in neutral, my foot on the clutch, and the e-brake on, i was so afraid the car was gonna go right through the house. (hope for the best, be prepared for the worst)

Now... Let the excitement begin!

DOHCstunr

08-27-2008, 10:02 PM

can't wait to see more pics Larry.
Finally another 4g63 G!!!!!

is your tach working?

Blue Ice

08-28-2008, 12:58 AM

can't wait to see more pics Larry.
Finally another 4g63 G!!!!!

is your tach working?

HAHA funny you mention that, no actually it's not. any ideas why not. sounds like you have (had) the same problem

DOHCstunr

08-28-2008, 07:48 AM

No my tach always worked cause I used the GS harness. I had speedo problems for a while but fixed that issue last november.

I know seth had tach issues, and never solved them.
My theory is that the distributor uses a inverted signal vs the DIS.
so your tach does not respond to it.

other than that, i'm not really sure what to tell you. I'm sure it can be fixed relatively easy.

Blue Ice

09-02-2008, 12:04 PM

alright , so i'm trying to clean up the engine bay of the wires and hoses, and really want to get down to the bare minimum. One kid looked at it a while back, and suggested i get rid of al lthe emissions crap. I don't think it would hurt, but i was wondering what some people thought. I have schematics from a chilton book, but of course it doesn't take into effect the cyclone intake.

so any thoughts would help

mko

09-02-2008, 06:28 PM

DOHCstunr

09-02-2008, 09:44 PM

there are several mods that you have Larry, that are going to throw codes.
You were going to tune with dsmlink anyways huh?
Codes shouldn't be a problem.

you can always clear them with your logger,
and if they get any kind of annoying.... then jsut take the bulb out of the cluster ;)

seth98esT

09-02-2008, 09:59 PM

I never got my tach working, but I got used to driving it from the sound of the engine. I could redline each gear without hitting the rev limitter, all without a tach.

I tried a 1g tach inverter once, but I dont think I had it hooked up right. Not having a tach didnt really bother me, not all modern cars have a tach.

Blue Ice

09-03-2008, 12:19 AM

if you remove the emissions components it will throw a code. I had a simple EGR block off plate, and the CEL lit up soon after. I just got 7G emission components free harness off of 97-98 Galant. No EGR, canister, all solenoids are missing, all nipples of the throttle body are blocked off and its OBD 2.
interesting, explain more... the Cyclone throttle body only has one nipple on it and that's pvc. i

there are several mods that you have Larry, that are going to throw codes.
You were going to tune with dsmlink anyways huh?
Codes shouldn't be a problem.

you can always clear them with your logger,
and if they get any kind of annoying.... then jsut take the bulb out of the cluster ;)

well that was with the 95 eprom but that ecu was the one that shot craps, i have to see if it can be fixed and chipped. If so then no problem.

I never got my tach working, but I got used to driving it from the sound of the engine. I could redline each gear without hitting the rev limitter, all without a tach.

I tried a 1g tach inverter once, but I dont think I had it hooked up right. Not having a tach didnt really bother me, not all modern cars have a tach.
any other option to fix this, or invert the tach signal? if i pulled the dash out, could i invert the pins?

Came across this schematic today on dsmtuners.com
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/attachments/articles-intake-exhaust/63058d1146106939-how-properly-actuate-jdm-cyclone-manifold-vacuum.jpg

djplay

09-14-2008, 06:20 AM

very impressive car you have here. great job!

Shadow19

09-14-2008, 10:28 AM

I dont know what youre running but i assume its a 6 bolt with a 2g ecu. If you kept the original coil packs with the 6 bolts that could be the reason why your tach doesnt work. My 1g has this issue as well and as i did research it seems that the 90 coil packs came with a filter that is located under the intake manifold that sends the signal to the tach. Now i never found the problem because the people that wired and ghetto rigged all the wiring in my 1g didnt know what they were doing plus the motor is out of it and thats the least of my worries. I hope this is of some help to you.

Good luck!
Johnas

seth98esT

09-14-2008, 01:09 PM

90 coil packs did come with a tach inverter. Which it inverts the signal on the tach, not just move around wires.

Blue Ice

09-15-2008, 12:01 AM

Took the car out today!!! Wooo Hooo!!!! but really didn't go that far. i wasn't going to push it, but wanted to see it run.

As far as this inverted signal, how does the coil pack come into play with the tach?

greddy

09-15-2008, 12:03 AM

Blue Ice

09-15-2008, 12:03 AM

BTW does anyone have an Original Erac1ng from bumper?? this knock off has a far worse fit than the original.

Blue Ice

09-15-2008, 12:07 AM

actually, it ran pretty good! i could hear the turbo spooling and feel some of the pick up. But there are a few things i didn't fully complete before taking it out, i also didn't have the bumper on, and the exhaust stops after the down pipe so it was fairly loud. I just really want to make sure the coolant and oil are flowing properly. Make sure there aren't any fluid leaks, clutch and brakes are working properly.

bmore303

09-15-2008, 12:40 AM

Pin 3 of the coil goes directly to the transistor, each pin of the transistor is in relation to the tach at some point if I remember correctly...I can't remember the exact diagram off the top of my head and what a certain symbol stands for, but eventually they all lead to pin 4, which is...white? Which leads to all tach related wiring.

Shadow19

09-15-2008, 02:32 PM

BTW does anyone have an Original Erac1ng from bumper?? this knock off has a far worse fit than the original.

Like ive stated before. Im so very unhappy with the fitment of this bumper. I had to push it in almost a whole inch on the driver side because it was too long! I was pissed because this bumper cost more then my whole kit! BUT anyways im not sure how the 90 coil pack is different then the 91+ the 90 is a rare breed with a TON of electrical problems.

Blue Ice

09-16-2008, 11:55 AM

you can see the issues i'm talking about in these pics
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/DSCN0507.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/DSCN0508.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/DSCN0514.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/DSCN0515.jpg

But damn that interfooler looks nice!!!
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/DSCN0509.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/DSCN0510.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/DSCN0511.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/MrHighC/Blue%20Ice/DSCN0512.jpg