Nitrous Oxide on 8g?

[716GalantES]

Hi, my name is Jake and i drive a 01 mitsu Galant es. I started doing alot of research into types of things i could do with my 8g. I'm kinda stuck right now because i use my galant as my daily driver... but i can always find ways around things inorder to get work done to it. I first started planning into boosting it with a 5 speed swap, or going with nitrous. After a few months of service i decided im going with nitrous because u very rarely see nitrous galants. So far i have my set up as:
Intake: Injen Cold Air intake
Headers: OBX stainless steel headers
Cata: magna flow
Muffler: Megan Drift Spec Catback
Suspension: Eithier megan coilovers or skunk 2
Struts: DC sport bars
Hood/Trunk: CF stock oem hood, CF truck, stock wing
Lights: aftermarket tail lights
Already has 2x12" rockford p2s with 2x480 watt alephasonic amps "BUMPS"
Rims: Axis Seven
Tires: nitto nt 555rs
NOS: NX direct port stage 1 kit
NX access: bottle heater, pressure gauge, window switch, auto opener
But i guess my question is what else would i need inorder to run my NX set up optuim on stock internals. I know i cant use 80-200shot caz that would just blow it all up. Im trying to shoot for a safe shot with out much work. I also have another question what guages would i need and controllers to run it? I have a stock 4g64 but i plan on doing mods listed. But would there be any other mods i would need prior to doing so? I know at this point in time you guys are prob saying to yourselfs " What a noob?" well the answer to that question is yes when it comes to NOS. I did lots of research and found out that the bottle has to stay at 160-200 degrees and psi in bottle cant exceed 1050psi or it will run to lean. Also 1 last quick question how would i know when to engage the nos for optium output?
Thank You for your help! i will be looking forward to show answers to guide me in the right direction

[WarmAndSCSI]

I'm pretty sure the nitrous will get you back the acceleration you lost with throwing all that extra weight in the back :roll: Remember, extra weight in the back makes the problem with FWD cars even worse.

Just in case you didn't know, nitrous isn't going to make your care "unique." It's probably the most common performance mod among all ricers who can afford more than a $15 fart can from AutoZone.

edit: I forgot to mention that you're going to have all kinds of fun blowing up your engine with a direct port nitrous setup without having any means of tuning...

[Serstylz2]

^^ rude!! He's jus mad because his car won't run...

:lol:

Anyway, I know you will need an EGT gauge to monitor the exhaust temperature when running Nitrous, and I believe you get EGT readings on the Emanage, not sure about the S-AFC, but you will need one of those as well to tune the car for proper performance. Also I believe you only spray at low rpms in 4th gear.. maybe 3rd? Dunnooo

[WarmAndSCSI]

^^ rude!! He's jus mad because his car won't run...

:lol:

Anyway, I know you will need an EGT gauge to monitor the exhaust temperature when running Nitrous, and I believe you get EGT readings on the Emanage, not sure about the S-AFC, but you will need one of those as well to tune the car for proper performance. Also I believe you only spray at low rpms in 4th gear.. maybe 3rd? Dunnooo

Don't come in here quasi-insulting me and then give false information to somebody who doesn't know any better.

edit: never mind that comment, please don't give information if you're not sure about its validity, ever. Not in this forum, not in any technically-oriented forum anywhere. Your comment concerning me has nothing to do with the OP's question.

The E-Manage has nothing to do with Exhaust Gas Temperature (EGT/Pyro) monitoring unless you use the auxiliary input to monitor it and then correlate the voltage to a meaningful reading in Excel. Not very useful. Same with the SAFC... nothing to do with EGT.

... you don't EVER spray at low RPM without some way of regulating the shot. Think about it - the nitrous shot is constant - you don't want to use the same volume at 2000 RPM as you do at 6000 RPM.

Plus, if you're using nitrous in 4TH GEAR on an automatic, you're PROBABLY not at the track in a controlled environment. You would be flying down the highway at around 115... Hell, stock Galants barely shift into third at the strip.

[716GalantES]

ok.... this really didnt answer any of my questions, but thank you for takeing your fustrations out on my thread..... anyways im new to the hole NOS scene and im not very sure on what to do inorder to run NOS the right way without running into problems. Thats what i made this thread for.... I have an auto tranny which it says on alot of sites thats its good to run nos on an auto tranny so thats why im sticking with it. Plus i dont have very deep pockets i work for everything i own and have. I OWE nothing and steal nothing, i work hard for all i have. I made this thread in hopes to get a response that would actually help me but as it looks i guess not... I guess ill try else were... but if there is anyone out there who maybe could run by me with a thread about Nitrous for dummies that would be great. I get were NOS come from and how it works, i would just like to know what i would need for a good system and everything included. I got a genral idea... But seince ive never used it before i have alot of questions thats why im addressing them so that way i can run it safely without blowing up my car. Thank for your input

[WarmAndSCSI]

ok.... this really didnt answer any of my questions, but thank you for takeing your fustrations out on my thread..... anyways im new to the hole NOS scene and im not very sure on what to do inorder to run NOS the right way without running into problems. Thats what i made this thread for.... I have an auto tranny which it says on alot of sites thats its good to run nos on an auto tranny so thats why im sticking with it. Plus i dont have very deep pockets i work for everything i own and have. I OWE nothing and steal nothing, i work hard for all i have. I made this thread in hopes to get a response that would actually help me but as it looks i guess not... I guess ill try else were... but if there is anyone out there who maybe could run by me with a thread about Nitrous for dummies that would be great. I get were NOS come from and how it works, i would just like to know what i would need for a good system and everything included. I got a genral idea... But seince ive never used it before i have alot of questions thats why im addressing them so that way i can run it safely without blowing up my car. Thank for your input

Dude, I gave you alot of good information in my posts. Read it again. A lot of that stuff is how a lot of people lose their engines running nitrous: spraying at low RPM, direct port nitrous without supporting mods, how to properly monitor EGT.

Have specific questions if you want specific answers. Do your homework beforehand. Don't expect handouts. Unless you want to be fed false information (no offense to anybody), you need to know the basics yourself. You do that by reading all you can about nitrous systems and THEN you ask intelligent questions that people can answer with tact.

BTW, you're not going to get any help around car forums calling nitrous "NOS" unless you really mean the brand of nitrous systems called Nitrous Oxide Systems (NOS).

[ScottsNCGalant]

People on here are so funny.

[DNSerrano]

All I know is that ZEX is the best NOS system for our cars. A member down here in Miami was using that system and it worked flawlessly, spraying 75 shot SAFELY on an 8g.

[WarmAndSCSI]

All I know is that ZEX is the best NOS system for our cars. A member down here in Miami was using that system and it worked flawlessly, spraying 75 shot SAFELY on an 8g.

I really hope you're completely joking with this post. This guy came here for advice...

"ZEX is the best NOS system for our cars"?! WTF, seriously, WTF. NOS != nitrous. ZEX is DEFINITELY not equal to NOS. That's an oxymoron at its finest. Sorry, if you are going to try to have intelligent conversation about nitrous injection, ditch the out-of-context "NOS" teminology.

And, no ZEX is not the best "NOS" system for our cars. In fact, some people despise ZEX. Nitrous Express (NX) is also a very good option.

It's good to know that somebody was running a 75 shot safely, but are you talking 4G64, 6G72? Qualify your statements. Smaller displacement = smaller shot, as a rule of thumb. Lower end strength, head flow characteristics, and quench area are also of importance, but like I said, a general rule of thumb.

[dronesurfboards]

I have a "NOS" direct port in my toyota truck and im running a 100 shot. In regards to what you can do, to be safe, run a 50-60 shot if you dont plan on upgrading your fuel. In regards to engaging the Nitrous, i personally squeeze at 3000-3500 rpms WOT to redline. Im not familiar with the electronics for tuning the galant with nitrous, but in my truck, all i had was a EGT gauge, Jacobs ITC, and colder plugs. I dont know why everyone hates nitrous, If you use it responsibly, its a good power adder. At the end of the day, it all comes down to who hits the finish line 1st.

[716GalantES]

guys, obv hes got his pantys in a bunch today.. im sorry i dont much about running "nitrous" but i asked this thread to find out. if you dont wanna answer fine.. but i deff understand u saying that some info ill get is wrong obv thats why its a thread i was expecting that, but i could short threw the bad and the good to find out what i need. asked a simple questions and left it at that such as " which gauges do i use?" and " is there any special controlers i would need?" i really dont see whats so hard with that.... But Nitrous on a 8g galant to me is VERY RARE! you never see galants made for nos. Thats what im trying to do. i understand also on stock internals its very risky to run any shot over 60. But thats why im useing this fourm to find out what i would need for a nice stock internal setup, along with what else i would need to run a proper set-up. As i said before i have done lots of research in the nitrous feild but theres nothing ever lised about galants and nitrous thats why i made this thread and asked these questions because its a site all about galants so i was hopeing for some solid answers so far its been 2/10 i would rate respones from this thread in how well its helped about what ive asked! once again thank you for input

[WarmAndSCSI]

I have a "NOS" direct port in my toyota truck and im running a 100 shot. In regards to what you can do, to be safe, run a 50-60 shot if you dont plan on upgrading your fuel. In regards to engaging the Nitrous, i personally squeeze at 3000-3500 rpms WOT to redline. Im not familiar with the electronics for tuning the galant with nitrous, but in my truck, all i had was a EGT gauge, Jacobs ITC, and colder plugs. I dont know why everyone hates nitrous, If you use it responsibly, its a good power adder. At the end of the day, it all comes down to who hits the finish line 1st.

Good info. Thanks.

I, personally, don't run and never have run nitrous, but I know the dos-and-don'ts.

Another thing you might consider is a window switch, so you don't spray in an unsafe RPM range (too low).

Colder plugs are good tip, but you'll lose steetability if they are too cold (I run an 8 range and they are too cold for a good idle, but I compensate with a hotter spark - MSD ignition). Try one step colder at an NGK "6" range. BKR6ES or BKR6E (the difference is the V-Power grooved center electrode design and the optional -11 at the end will start you at a 0.044" gap) gapped to 0.038" would be a good choice - that's slightly smaller than the stock gap and one heat range colder.

[WarmAndSCSI]

What on Earth are you creating another thread for!? :?

Go read your other thread - there's a bunch of people in there trying to contribute. I'm sick of your attitude - learn to take criticism with your help. You're going to be treated like a noob whenever you are around die-hard gearheads.

And nitrous on any car is not "very rare." No car is "made for NOS," either.

[WarmAndSCSI]

Okay, I'm going to give what I think is the best advice of the night: go over to club3g.com and read over there on nitrous applications for the GS/RS 4G64. That is the IDENTICAL engine to yours.

The way you're bitching and moaning about not getting the answers you want is not going to help you around here.

[716GalantES]

very tru! thats why im trying to run a nitrous kit but fully build my 01 around it. my overall goal is to run 100shot and make 300whp. im deff going with NX as my kit. im getting all the fixings with it to such as bottle warmer,pressure gauge, bottle opner and a plurge kit. But i guess in genral what i was trying to ask is what im modding 2 is it capable of running 100shot on stock internals on a 4g64? I got an auto tranny which is good for nitrous and im obv ganna get it tuned and installed at a nitrous proffesional shop along with tuneing it properly. Another quick question i had is when on then 01 is is WOT? thats key when spraying. Im prob ganna run the system were it activates at a certin rpm and shuts off before redline. im hopeing in all the system will work out well. Im also going this route because i pay for everything i own and its my daily driver. So theres not meny options there. Like i said any input on what i would need as far as the system goes all the way down to what guages and controllers i would need? another thing thats been bothering me is that a few months ago super street ran an issue on all new tech thats coming out and in there it had a controller deadicated to running nos in stages safely is that really worth it? and if so could i use it? anyways people keep it coming ill keep you posted on what goes on.

[WarmAndSCSI]

The 100 shot is safe if you have the supporting fuel mods - Adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator (AFPR), high-flow, high-pressure fuel pump (Walbro 255 L/h is a good choice), and, in my opinion, some way to retard timing. Remember, 100 WHP on top of your stock ~120 WHP is a HUGE increase - 83%!

Yes, you can do this on stock internals, but I really don't recomend it. Too much can go wrong in the blink of an eye. All of the nitrous system goodies/failsafes will make it nearly bullet-proof, however.

The automatic tranny is only good for nitrous because A) you can spray in first without massive wheel spin B) related, you have longer gears so you can stay on the nitrous for longer C) you can stay on the nitrous between shifts because you're not letting off. You can spray through redline on an automatic.

The downside to the automatic is that it simply cannot hold much power - it's even weaker than the F4A51 in the V6 model, which doesn't hold power worth a CRAP. You will shatter the pump and burn up your clutch packs much quicker if you like using the nitrous.

The window system, like I said before, is an awesome idea.

Staged NOS is really good for turbo cars that need more nitrous down low (I mean relatively low, not idle) to help spool the turbo and high HP cars that need more traction in lower gears. That's my understanding at least.

Gauges: you'll probably want a REAL wideband AF/R gauge like an AEM gauge-type UEGO, an EGT gauge, fuel pressure gauge, and nitrous pressure gauge. The first is the most critical, IMO. If you run lean, your engine is gone. End of story.

[716GalantES]

im deff doing a window switch without a dout!!!! its the safest and most relaibe upgrade for nitrous. fuel pump and AFPR i read before is deff needed with a 80+ shot. My goal is to use my car for 1/4 drags on the weekend. And in my sitsuation its my dialy driver so its the cheapest and least amount of time ill be without it to do it. but i belive with the mods i mentoned before with 100 shot to back it up it will deff hold its own aginst them damn V-Tecs . im prob ganna get ride of my system along with gut anything and everyhting in my car to reduce weight which is huge in the quarter. But i belive it will deff hold its own and thank you for all your input so far keep it coming its deff helping alot.

[WarmAndSCSI]

im deff doing a window switch without a dout!!!! its the safest and most relaibe upgrade for nitrous. fuel pump and AFPR i read before is deff needed with a 80+ shot. My goal is to use my car for 1/4 drags on the weekend. And in my sitsuation its my dialy driver so its the cheapest and least amount of time ill be without it to do it. but i belive with the mods i mentoned before with 100 shot to back it up it will deff hold its own aginst them damn V-Tecs . im prob ganna get ride of my system along with gut anything and everyhting in my car to reduce weight which is huge in the quarter. But i belive it will deff hold its own and thank you for all your input so far keep it coming its deff helping alot.

Nitrous is the most cost effective way so long as you're smart about it.

Don't get rid of your system alltogether (that's what I did :() Just pull it out on drag weekends.

There's a lot on the technical side of running a big shot of nitrous. Get ready for a bunch of relay wiring and tuning if you plan to be successful.

Please go read over on Club3G - they're going to know a LOT more than I do about nitrous. Anybody who knows forced induction in general can help you out with the fuel mods and tuning, though.

[dronesurfboards]

About adding nitrous to your engine...youre really looking into it too much. My system was simple. You really dont need a purge kit, bottle warmer, etc. I used a towel and stuffed it in bazooka tube case when i ran on the street. having those extras dont really help you gain horsepower. If youre looking to running a 100 shot in a reliable way and actually having useable horsepower, drop the auto tranny immediately since from what i hear cant hold much hp, run a more aggressive cam with higher lift and duration, port your head, bottom end should be okay cuz everyone says the 4g64 shares the same bottom end as the Evo, Run a slightly larger fuel pump just like scsi said, 1 step colder ngk plugs and a better ignition system. I dont know if MSD ignition would work on our system since my truck ignition is different than the galant. All the little extras are just that....extras, if youre thinking about all the little things...then youre not ready for nitrous. Ive ran my 4 fogger reliably since 96. besides a blown head gasket and burnt clutch...my truck runs fine. Ive squeezed 100 shot through 1st to 4th gear, and 4th and 5th gear to be honest...you wont feel the extra hp at all.

[WarmAndSCSI]

The MSD system wouldn't be necessary on the 4G64 - the 2 coil setup is MORE than adequate. I was just talking about my distributor-based V6 setup.

The other stuff (purge, warmer) is nice if you want a consistent nitrous setup at the track, but not necessary at all.

The bottom end is similar to the Evo, but obviously not the same. Your pistons aren't as strong and have ring end gaps set for N/A not FI. A 100 shot is pushing it on the stock ring gaps, but you'll be safe with a conservative tune and proper fail-safes. The crank and rods are plenty strong for what you want to do, though.

Running cams with your nitrous setup may be a little bit out of your league right now. That's just more tuning and more lean air flowing through your engine if something goes wrong with your fuel system.

[6G72gearhead]

I'm planning on running a 75 wet shot on my V6, by your questions you really need to start asking specific questions and really learn about what your getting into. You do not want to be spraying at low rpm, and you dont want to continue spraying into the rev limiter. This requires an RPM window switch. It basically allows you to set an RPM "window" that it will allow the nitrous to run between. Now for my specific set up, I'm probably going to end up setting my window switch for 3800-6200 rpm. I might bump my minimum rpm up a few thousand rpm.

Run two nitrous solenoids and one if not two fuel solenoids. If your running a wet shot an adjustable fuel pressure regulator is a good idea.

Tuning is everything.

[WarmAndSCSI]

I'm planning on running a 75 wet shot on my V6, by your questions you really need to start asking specific questions and really learn about what your getting into. You do not want to be spraying at low rpm, and you dont want to continue spraying into the rev limiter. This requires an RPM window switch. It basically allows you to set an RPM "window" that it will allow the nitrous to run between. Now for my specific set up, I'm probably going to end up setting my window switch for 3800-6200 rpm. I might bump my minimum rpm up a few thousand rpm.

Run two nitrous solenoids and one if not two fuel solenoids. If your running a wet shot an adjustable fuel pressure regulator is a good idea.

Tuning is everything.

The not running into the rev limiter is debatable. Compare it to adding 100 WHP with a turbo setup on an automatic. You're not going to want that extra power to drop off between shifts. The nitrous isn't going to slam your car into the rev limiter any faster/harder than another F/I setup. Now, you do want to make sure you're not spraying nitrous PAST redline... We do have a "soft" rev limiter that begins with ignition cut and then fuel cut, so I wouldn't worry too much.

The lower bound window switch is unquestionable, though.

edit: just so you further understand what I'm saying on the redline issue, the automatic is going to want to hit the rev limiter when it's shifting when you approach that much power over stock - the shift solenoids are simply not applying enough pressure to hold between shifts.

[6G72gearhead]

I'm planning on running a 75 wet shot on my V6, by your questions you really need to start asking specific questions and really learn about what your getting into. You do not want to be spraying at low rpm, and you dont want to continue spraying into the rev limiter. This requires an RPM window switch. It basically allows you to set an RPM "window" that it will allow the nitrous to run between. Now for my specific set up, I'm probably going to end up setting my window switch for 3800-6200 rpm. I might bump my minimum rpm up a few thousand rpm.

Run two nitrous solenoids and one if not two fuel solenoids. If your running a wet shot an adjustable fuel pressure regulator is a good idea.

Tuning is everything.

The not running into the rev limiter is debatable. Compare it to adding 100 WHP with a turbo setup on an automatic. You're not going to want that extra power to drop off between shifts. The nitrous isn't going to slam your car into the rev limiter any faster/harder than another F/I setup. Now, you do want to make sure you're not spraying nitrous PAST redline... We do have a "soft" rev limiter that begins with ignition cut and then fuel cut, so I wouldn't worry too much.

The lower bound window switch is unquestionable, though.

edit: just so you further understand what I'm saying on the redline issue, the automatic is going to want to hit the rev limiter when it's shifting when you approach that much power over stock - the shift solenoids are simply not applying enough pressure to hold between shifts.

I've had the guilty pleasure of watching a V6 mustang backfire into the intake mani hardcore from hitting the rev limiter while spraying on a oversized untuned shot. The destruction was amazing, especially since the guy was being an absolute retard, so his suffering was much welcomed by me.

Its just safer to use a window switch, even all the stalled auto F-body guys I hang around with the still use window switches. That and my use of a manual trans makes it a better idea. Remember, even with an auto you can cook the tires off quick enough to send it way into the rev limiter.

I like how its called a "soft touch" rev limiter, when its more like hitting a fucking wall.

[Distort]

Where do you guys purchase Nitrous kits from? I saw one on AndysAutoSports but I don't really trust many other sites...

I was looking into this for a while, until I had to let the G go... But I'll prolly end up getting one in better condition in the future... I am just asking for my 1G Eclipse..

[716GalantES]

NICE!!! thank you so much for your respones. Im going nitrous because at drags on the weekend its easy to descize and to call that u run all motor when really u spray. I belive with the mods i had mentioned above with a tourque converter, and a window switch i think ill do just fine. most the time ill prob just run 5-75shot just to be more safe seince it is my dialy driver. I live in Ny so thats why a bottle warmer and pressure guages are a must because it gets very cold around here plus when the bottles at the right temp pressure and you plurge the shot will be more effective. I was thinking about hiding my bottle in the spare wheel compartment to kinda hide it a bit but i heard other people tryed that and it was hard to fit the 10lb bottle back there lol. But yea im deff doing a fully nitrous setup.. I cant wait to see the stupid looks on Vtecs faces as i blow past em lol well thank you so much for all your input guys keep it coming all is welcome

[716GalantES]

deff go threw the direct distruber because ive heard from freinds in the past buyin nos from aftermarket places dont always turn out right. Buy direct from the source youll pay more but its all guarteed and if its not the system your looking for u could always trade it back in for the right 1.

[Distort]

For the love of God! Press stop on "The Fast and the Furious" and stop calling it NOS! It's Nitrous Oxide, NOS is a brand name, as is Sony and Toshiba! Jeez, I'm getting tired of everyone calling nitrous NOS.

[DNSerrano]

All I know is that ZEX is the best NOS system for our cars. A member down here in Miami was using that system and it worked flawlessly, spraying 75 shot SAFELY on an 8g.

I really hope you're completely joking with this post. This guy came here for advice...

"ZEX is the best NOS system for our cars"?! WTF, seriously, WTF. NOS != nitrous. ZEX is DEFINITELY not equal to NOS. That's an oxymoron at its finest. Sorry, if you are going to try to have intelligent conversation about nitrous injection, ditch the out-of-context "NOS" teminology.

And, no ZEX is not the best "NOS" system for our cars. In fact, some people despise ZEX. Nitrous Express (NX) is also a very good option.

It's good to know that somebody was running a 75 shot safely, but are you talking 4G64, 6G72? Qualify your statements. Smaller displacement = smaller shot, as a rule of thumb. Lower end strength, head flow characteristics, and quench area are also of importance, but like I said, a general rule of thumb.

Yo what the fuck is your problem ditching everybody's opinions. I had said that ZEX is pretty much a great option in Nitrous Oxide Systems aka NOS, not to be mistaken as the actual company "NOS". They worked great on the member that had them which by the way is Three O Five 8G, who had a 4g64 8th Gen Galant.

The main reason why I said that ZEX is a very good option is because it comes with a computer which limits the longevity of the shot (he was running a 75 shot, if I'm not mistaken). This is great for people who worry that nitrous will blow their engines once it goes into it.

Again I'm sorry for using NOS as Nitrous Oxide, just because you feel it should be called Nitrous Oxide and/or have a different term for it, God!

[6G72gearhead]

For the love of god, its not nos, its nitrous oxide. NOS is a brand of nitrous, standing for Nitrous Oxide Systems. Any furthur use of the rediculous term NOS without referring to the company Nitrous Oxide Systems, will be met with ridicule.

[komodo]

For the love of God! Press stop on "The Fast and the Furious" and stop calling it NOS! It's Nitrous Oxide, NOS is a brand name, as is Sony and Toshiba! Jeez, I'm getting tired of everyone calling nitrous NOS.

Off topic: I saw a tercel with like 12 NOS stickers on it along side wth NX on it's windowshield today LOL
on topic, sort of: I agree with sci why did you even make a second thread? Just go back to your first thread....

[WarmAndSCSI]

I wasn't dissing you personally, man :lol:

Sorry.

I'm not alone in the boat of "NOS" misuse haters.

[DNSerrano]

Whatever, anyway on with anymore systems I guess. Does anyone have another system of nitrous that they have tried? Venom maybe?

[6G72gearhead]

Zex is a very good option for a nitrous kit. I'm building a kit thats a combination of all of them.

[6G72gearhead]

This really needs a lock, I couldnt help posting before the inevitable.

[WarmAndSCSI]

Zex, NX, NOS was good before they got bought out. There's really no need to veture outside of Zex and NX - they basically make everything you need.

[DNSerrano]

Why is there two threads of these nitrous questions?? :roll:

[WarmAndSCSI]

For the love of God! Press stop on "The Fast and the Furious" and stop calling it NOS! It's Nitrous Oxide, NOS is a brand name, as is Sony and Toshiba! Jeez, I'm getting tired of everyone calling nitrous NOS.

My use of it was a direct quote :D

[WarmAndSCSI]

Why is there two threads of these nitrous questions?? :roll:

I think it may have been an accident.

[6G72gearhead]

I just get tired of people coming in and wanting to run things like nitrous with no prior knowladge of whats actually going on in the motor. Google Nitrous Oxide and get some real background on the stuff before you just ask what parts you need and buy them. Installing parts is easy, but to own and maintain a car with such a system installed takes some understanding of how things work.

[WarmAndSCSI]

I just get tired of people coming in and wanting to run things like nitrous with no prior knowladge of whats actually going on in the motor. Google Nitrous Oxide and get some real background on the stuff before you just ask what parts you need and buy them. Installing parts is easy, but to own and maintain a car with such a system installed takes some understanding of how things work.

This guy seems to know his stuff a little better than most. I kinda want to help him out... You have to start somewhere.

[DNSerrano]

I just get tired of people coming in and wanting to run things like nitrous with no prior knowladge of whats actually going on in the motor. Google Nitrous Oxide and get some real background on the stuff before you just ask what parts you need and buy them. Installing parts is easy, but to own and maintain a car with such a system installed takes some understanding of how things work.

That is true. The only thing I do not like about nitrous is the constant refilling of the bottle ha ha. Once you're done, you refill it and refill it so you are basically throwing money away in some way. Going FI is a much better way to get more performance out of an engine but again, some people do not have the know how of how to maintain it as well as the money. But for a quick power boost, I guess nitrous does make some sense

[WarmAndSCSI]

I just get tired of people coming in and wanting to run things like nitrous with no prior knowladge of whats actually going on in the motor. Google Nitrous Oxide and get some real background on the stuff before you just ask what parts you need and buy them. Installing parts is easy, but to own and maintain a car with such a system installed takes some understanding of how things work.

That is true. The only thing I do not like about nitrous is the constant refilling of the bottle ha ha. Once you're done, you refill it and refill it so you are basically throwing money away in some way. Going FI is a much better way to get more performance out of an engine but again, some people do not have the know how of how to maintain it as well as the money. But for a quick power boost, I guess nitrous does make some sense

Nitrous is sooo much cheaper. Even this boost junky will admit that. :lol:

I could go to Checker and get my nitrous bottle filled whenever!

[716GalantES]

thanks for the help you guys. I did do ALOT of research about nitrous before i posted, plus i go to street races alot with freinds of mine and ask alot of questions to other people who run nitrous. Ive also done alot of research on how an engine works u have to let it breath is key along with knowing how to tune it and make the right parts work togather. Im just new to nitrious ive built NA K20s and B18s but mitsu is new to me and nitrous you can never learn to much about, any imput on the subject is great plus its finaly good to see a thread about nitrous on here. So in all you guys are saying deff get a window switch, tune it right, make sure it works without being to lean, fuel pump, AFPR, like 2 or 3 diffrent guages, NICE!!! like i said with the mods i said before plus this nitrous set-up i got in mind i should be nice and run about 75shot no prob. and 100shot+ maybe? if everything goes right. im just wondering in all with mods how much whp will i make? along with it being my dialy driver with 76,700 miles on it? Thank you again you guys, you've been lots of help!!!!

[WarmAndSCSI]

Don't street race - take it to the track.

Find somebody who really knows nitrous to be "on call" while you're doing this stuff. That way you have somebody to fall back on if you run into any roadblocks.

You'll be making close to 200 WHP hopefully.

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That thing below is my daily driver, BTW. 450 WHP :twisted:

[716GalantES]

ok what could i do to make 300whp with nitrous if im only ganna make about 200whp with set-up i got planned right now? like forged pistons,connecting rods, cranksaft,cams, a timeing retard that shorta thing prob right? and say for so if i do that how much nitrous could i push and how much whp would i make then? Thank you for the feedback keep it comin!!!

[WarmAndSCSI]

300 WHP would be more than doubling your stock engine output. I can't really make a recommendation there as I don't think it's feasible. Keep your goals realistic :D

[underated]

you wont make 200whp with a 100 shot... i really didnt want to read through this whole post but i did anyway only because the more knowledgeable senior member posted in it.

with that being said...

I used nitrous for the first 3 years of owning my galant... i used a nitrous express direct port wet kit. With what i know now i would not buy a "wet" kit if i was to use it again. Buy a dry kit and upgrade your fuel system. Also N/X or Dynotune's kits are the only way to go... Since you know some people who use nitrous find someone with a Zex kit and open the little box and laugh at how small the solenoid is.

I started out with a 35shot on a stock engine (dont waste your time), then i went to a 55 shot(a little better but not much, keep in mind you loose about 30-40% of your HP between the crank and the ground with the auto tranny... i then moved on to a 75 shot (started to make a difference) i stayed with a 75 shot for a good year and a half with no problems on a stock motor. But the little bit of of HP increase was addictive and i decided to step up to a 100 shot...

i did all this on a stock internal motor for 3 years with no problems other then a few nitrous back fires :shock: (those are scary) I was really into street racing because it was for money back then so for most of those 3 years i was using it 2-3nights a week 2-3weeks a month :twisted: every month. but i don't recommend you do that and like WarmAndSCSI said "take it to the track".

But to help you out ....

check out dynotune.org for some great deals on kits, accessories, guages, and brilliant custom parts for nitrous kits, you can piece together a kit there or buy a complete one... i would recommend you buy a N/X kit and use all dynotune accessories. they have a bottle bracket with a built in bottle heater, remote bottle opener (i had mine behind the passenger seat :twisted:), but more of all get a window switch and a progressive controller for the most usable power safely

theres more but its 2:30 am here now and i dont wanna give out any bad info cuz im tired lol

oh yah with the 100shot direct port i made 179whp 230tq if i remember correctly i have the dyno sheet somewhere whit all the money your going to spend doing this wisely you could turbo your car and have more power constantly but im not trying to discourage you if nitrous is what you want go for it

[6G72Galant]

There was a really good tutorial on one of the Galant forums about running a NOS in the Galant. I dont remember which site it was on. But i will continue to check. The tutorial was kinda like an episode of Mythbusters. It put to rest alot of the urban legends about a NOS in cars.


*BTW NOS >>>>>> Nitrous Oxide System

Almost everybody hates the acronym "NOS" because of Dom in The Fast and Furious. :roll:

[DNSerrano]

There was a really good tutorial on one of the Galant forums about running a NOS in the Galant. I dont remember which site it was on. But i will continue to check. The tutorial was kinda like an episode of Mythbusters. It put to rest alot of the urban legends about a NOS in cars.


*BTW NOS >>>>>> Nitrous Oxide System

Almost everybody hates the acronym "NOS" because of Dom in The Fast and Furious. :roll:

:smt045 :smt045 :smt023 thank you ha ha ha. BTW 179hp is not that bad at all coming from a bottle!

[duh2150]

can i smell pistons roasting?

[WarmAndSCSI]

can i smell pistons roasting?

GTFO. :lol: He'll be fine if he follows all the good advice in this thread.

[Distort]

WarmAndSCSI, don't you have a supercharger on your Galant?

http://www.dynotunenitrous.com/store/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=210

And is that considered a TRUE wideband sensor? Like you were talking about?

[WarmAndSCSI]

WarmAndSCSI, don't you have a supercharger on your Galant?

http://www.dynotunenitrous.com/store/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=210

And is that considered a TRUE wideband sensor? Like you were talking about?

Yes, I'm running RIPP's SDS system, but ONLY the hairdryer/shaft portion of the kit, none of their BlackBox and supplemental fuel injector BS.

That's a wideband sensor... it's probably overkill for what any of you need. Even I just run an AEM gauge-type UEGO at 22 psi boost. I log it all on the E-Manage Ultimate.

[Distort]

Are there tutorials for E-Manage that would be completely n00b friendly? I was considering getting something similar for my Eclipse, but it all looks so complicated and I wouldnt understand what half that stuff is...

[duh2150]

i swear nothing is noob friendly(other then screwing a nut on a bolt lol), thats why i post so much :)

[underated]

WarmAndSCSI, don't you have a supercharger on your Galant?

http://www.dynotunenitrous.com/store/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=210

And is that considered a TRUE wideband sensor? Like you were talking about?

all that is, is a innovative lc-1 wideband kit($199)with there fancy guage, its peak and hold, does boost/vac and has 8 different face and 2 bezzels not worth it in my opinion

i just picked up the lc-1 kit and a tratrix cable for 260 and im going to get the gauge straight from innovative its 10 bucks more but i dont like the fact that the dynotune guage has dynotune writen on it the innovative guage looks cleaner to me

[716GalantES]

alright yall thanks for all the advice now my 8g is almost ready to be on the nitrous. i think im ganna do alot more research and make sure i find the best place to buy the system for the cheapest. I think im ganna get zexs wet direct port kit along with its starter package that comes with everything you need to run nitrous right. 200whp is nice and hopefully it will be plunty to beat some low boosted vtecs. In which my hole goal is to beat vtecs. If anyones got some more suggestions about places to buy the kit and accessiries cheaper, im all ears. im hopein to be ready by spring of 08. Ill also post as many pics along the way. Thanks Guys!!!!

[duh2150]

just buy a 5 speed lol itll help greatly

[duh2150]

can i smell pistons roasting?

GTFO. :lol: He'll be fine if he follows all the good advice in this thread.

yeah i know he will, its bad for the engine tho, makes alot of wear, i wanna be the first one to have created the pure oxygen injection shoots pure oxygen into the intake, wel lnot pure the dam thing would blow up lol like half oxygen, in the air normal is like what 10% oxygen, lol spray 50 50 50 percent oxygen and 50 percent nitro threw a hooked up nozzle or somthing, im just dreaming lol but still, take liek one of them breather helpers and hook it up as like a oxygen tank for super power lol

[laxinwarrior]

can i smell pistons roasting?

GTFO. :lol: He'll be fine if he follows all the good advice in this thread.

yeah i know he will, its bad for the engine tho, makes alot of wear, i wanna be the first one to have created the pure oxygen injection shoots pure oxygen into the intake, wel lnot pure the dam thing would blow up lol like half oxygen, in the air normal is like what 10% oxygen, lol spray 50 50 50 percent oxygen and 50 percent nitro threw a hooked up nozzle or somthing, im just dreaming lol but still, take liek one of them breather helpers and hook it up as like a oxygen tank for super power lol

Was that really necessary. :roll:

[WarmAndSCSI]

can i smell pistons roasting?

GTFO. :lol: He'll be fine if he follows all the good advice in this thread.

yeah i know he will, its bad for the engine tho, makes alot of wear, i wanna be the first one to have created the pure oxygen injection shoots pure oxygen into the intake, wel lnot pure the dam thing would blow up lol like half oxygen, in the air normal is like what 10% oxygen, lol spray 50 50 50 percent oxygen and 50 percent nitro threw a hooked up nozzle or somthing, im just dreaming lol but still, take liek one of them breather helpers and hook it up as like a oxygen tank for super power lol

Was that really necessary. :roll:

No. :lol: :?

[716GalantES]

Deff Not!! :D

[6G72gearhead]

The biggest thing is having a way to monitor your vital engine perameters and and AFR.


Backup nitrous solenoinds are a necessity, its acceptable to leave only one fuel solenoid.

Get tuned.

Get a window switch.

[duh2150]

lol i had to dream lol

[underated]

this is a must read for anyone new to nitrous (has some really good info) http://nitrousdirect.com/nitrous.html


here is another idea for direct port but they are kind of pricey $54.99/ea

http://www.nitrousdirect.com/images/EFINozzleClose1.jpg
http://www.nitrousdirect.com/images/closeupdirectport1.jpg
http://www.nitrousdirect.com/images/big1.jpg

[Distort]

If you only knew how long I've been sitting here watching Underated's avatar...

[n3oAcid24]

If you only knew how long I've been sitting here watching Underated's avatar...

x2.......... :shock:

[Serstylz2]

yeh shouldnt that be taken down by now?

[123456789]

If you only knew how long I've been sitting here watching Underated's avatar...

x2.......... :shock:

X3 i keep waiting for the video to continue...lol

[lnm420]

I dunno I have a 02 galant DE and ive been spraying a 100 shot in it for over a year now with stock internals, only upgrades I have is the walbro 255, headers, CAI, catback exhaust that's about it....

forgot to mention im not spraying direct port though....

[GOOSEY2099]

Wow a 5 year old thread wakeup

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[demond0d5]

Wow a 5 year old thread wakeup

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Exactly what I was just thinking^^^ I remember looking at this post when I started spraying a year ago XD