v6 vr-4 conversion 95 galant

[trigunracing]

hi everyone ,

I'm new to this and i found a great deal on a v6 vr-4 engine tranny turbo and all being sold

i was wondering if i can do the conversion, Rip out my old 2.4l engine and tranny and wire harness out of my 95 galant and pop in the v6 vr4 engine and tranny, now ive seen it done before but the other guy had it awd ,

this tranny is awd and was wondering if i can make it into a fwd ? is it to much work todo? because this is a crazy deal that im picking up the engine and tranny for, and if possible does anybody know the links to do it? or has anybody done it to a 7g galant that could help me out.

thanks.

[XXL4G64]

well with money you can do all and everything

[phizzalot]

well If you if all the engine mounts were in the saame place I would go for it... As for the tranny, Iam not sure wha would fit but if you do enough research around here you can find what fits if any....

I know theres a post with a mirage swap around here so just search....

[trickytrick]

i was thinking about doing that when i had my 7g. its gonna take alot of fab work but it can be done. about the awd to fwd im not 100% sure but it would be awesome to see someone make a rwd galant. :)

[trigunracing]

800 canadian dollars for the whole thing,

but my main concern is being able to make the thing run front wheel or rwd, i know for afact i cannot find the transfer case for the thing to be awd ,

but il try and search that mirage that did it maybe he can give me some insite,

i know in the uk they actually have 7gen galants with twin turbo , its called the galant gt,
should basically be the same thing right?

[dknight3]

fwd tranny from a different engine fits i cant remember which one tho.

wait maybe not.. what engine are you talking about?

[trigunracing]

6a13tt

[lucap100is]

use a 4G91 tiptronic tranny.

[Goku]

No, use the g/box from any of the 6A engines, they all mount up to any 6A engine, there is a FWD g/box from the 6A10 in the lancer that should fit, however stronger gears would be needed.

Also I think you'll find the engine mounts for your car's are slightly different to that of the 6A13TT

[kolio]

from what i have seen the mounts are the same. but you have to move lines, the battery, and some other crap. i was thinking about doing it for a little and was like its much esier to do the hybrid motor

[trigunracing]

so i should take the struggle and do it? yay or nay?
transmission is going to be hard to find and prolly expensive,
my cars automatic
i wanna keep it that way if possible, i dont really car much for stick. im in the city plus it would be funny for an auto car to beat a stick hehe.

[Goku]

Well, I say go for it, but then I'm biased :P

[kolio]

i had found the tranny in the uk for 800 shipped


i was gonna do 6a12 N/A FWD tranny with the 6a12TT and it's ecu

[krispy03]

i have a v8 vr4 THUNDER STEALER!!!!!

[Blue Ice]

From the research i've done before, the 7g came with a 6a12(TT if twin turbo) and the 8g had a 6a13(TT) where the difference comes in, i'm not sure, could be a mount thing. I would think the tranny issue would be the least of your worries compared to the ECU and wiring harness issue you'd have.

You mentioned you had the enigne and tranny, but nothing about the ecu and wiring harness. these are most important for getting the engine to run. If it is infact a 6a13 and the wiring harness came with it, you would then need to see how the other accessory connectors match up, ie dash gauges, lights,etc. If they don't match then i would suggest finding a complete 6a12 harness and ECU. This would probably match all the stuff behind the dash, but good luck fnding one and getting it shipped from over seas.

If that doesn't work then, you'd be forced to fabricate a wireing harness, which is most tedious to do, then trouble shooting any problems that may come up.

I would think it would be easier finding a FWD V6 automatic tranny. it will either bolt up, or it won't bolt up... But then comes the issue of also getting the correct TCU, and getting it to plug into the tranny and the ECU.

Can it be done?... i'm sure it can. Just be prepared to read many wiring diagrams to do it.


Now that's how you steal someones thunder

[evil-G-nius]

Another problem besides the typical install and making it run...you will have maintainence issues. That engine was never released here and I must say the Mitsu techs are DUMB! good luck getting it serviced properly

[Galant306m]

i think that the avenger transmission would work for it, unless the v6 model is sitting the opposit way lol but it pretty much the same car so i dont think that it would be the other way.

[Goku]

Okay then....

the 7G came out with the 6A12TT yes, and the 6A13TT was in the 8G, they are mounted opposite to each other.

The 7G has the G/box on the left, the 8G on the right. You don't have to use the VR-4 ECU, you can go aftermarket, this is by far the easiest way to go around the whole set up. All you'll need to do is splice into your stock wiring harness for all the teduious bits like A/C etc, and just run wires for the sensors, injectors etc....

As for servicing, It's pretty straight forward, you aren't running the AYC or anything, check out www.ClubVR4.com if you get stuck.

[kolio]

the tranny has to come from a 6A motor

the difference between the 6a13 and 6a12 is compression ration and displacement. one is a 2.0 the other 2.5(6a13)

the only feasable way is if you had a complete front clip and buy the 6a12 N/A tranny

and if your going through the trouble of the swap i don't think matenance will be an issue. just be prepared to wait a couple weeks for parts

[Goku]

You can get a 6A13 tranny, they made a FWD version in the legnum

[trigunracing]

ecu wireharness everything comes with it

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[trigunracing]

so where can i find hardcore details , because everything sounds so tempting now , you guys make it sound easy to do , but again, the tranny, where can i buy it and which one is most sutible and which one handles most hp and Do i need to change the axels on the car?

parts lists basically

[Goku]

Take a look at the mirage guys over in the states there, they have done a few 6A13TT FWD conversions.

Basically you will need:

Engine
ECU + Wiring
6A FWD tranny.... might have to source from Japan ( I would suggest the one from the N/A 6A13 )
A lot of time

Most of your stock parts should handle the power increase

[trigunracing]

http://www.club3g.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94690

check out that link tell me if this is true, because if it is i can have a better chance of finding the transmission,

i think im really close to purchasing the whole kit soon if its 100 percent doable without to much fabrication and stuff like that

if anybody knows where i can pick up a transmission that will work with everything it would be GREATLY APPRECIATED!
and i can give u the link for the engine and tranny ecu wireharness turbos

Make: Mitsubishi
Model: VR 4 Galant
Year: 92-96
Engine code: 6A13
Horse power: 240hp
Valve train: DOCH
Mileage: Approx 25-35 Thousand
Condition: Best

Complete Motor Complete Head
Intake Manifold Distributor
Turbo Auto
Power Steering Exhaust
Alternator Throttle Body
Fuel Rail Injectors

just a lil more help , Sorry to keep bugging u guys, but im sick of having the slowest car in canada :(

[Goku]

Ummm.... the engine has 280 HP not 240 lol

I don't think the 4G64 g/box would work...


they contradict themselves a lot on that forum.... they argue a lot too..

Tranny's that will fit the 6A13tt are from the following motors

6A10 - JDM Lancer and Mirage 1991 - 1995 FWD
6A11 - JDM Lancer FWD - 1995- 1998 FWD
6A12 - JDM Galant 1992-1995 FWD
6A12TT - VR-4 1992-1995 AWD
6A13 - Legnum and JDM Galant - 1996 - 2000 FWD
6A13TT - Galant and Legnum VR-4 AWD

[trigunracing]

Man I've been checking and can't find any place selling the axels and tranny for the conversion!!! Need help!

[Galant306m]

Try to find a FTO Tranny if you can! you are going to have to do some mad modifying to make this work as the tranny will be on the driver side. Its possible if you have the time to do it.!

[kolio]

uk ebay


and the 6a12TT swap is easier tranny stays on the same side


there actually isn't to much modifying

[trigunracing]

6a13tt engine is all i have , no 6a12 avalible in canada , :( but more hp is better :)
uk ebay huh? il check that out 2 , but couldnt find nething there , but il try again

[trigunracing]

F4A42 is this transmission compatible? its off a 2.5l Galant V6 and its going for CHEAP!

[Galant306m]

uk ebay


and the 6a12TT swap is easier tranny stays on the same side


there actually isn't to much modifying

Yea i wasnt paying attention i was looking at one of the new FTO motors and it was switched. It shouldnt be that hard if you can get the tranny, ecu, and everything that you need to make it run. i dont know how hard it is going to be finding a wiring harness for the car though.

[Goku]

Make one

[Blue Ice]

You will have to do a lot of fabricating for your 6a13 in a 7g. Honestly it might be easier to buy an 8g and put the engine in that car. Ever think about how much shipping a transmission from the UK to Canada would cost? $$$whew$$$

Plain and simple THERE IS NO "KIT" If you absolutely must have that engine then like i said buy a V6 8g. You'd have a better chance of making the engine fit and you might get lucky with the tranny too. You want this to be cheap and simply, and we are all telling you it's neither. This is kind of like the guy who wanted to put an Evo 4g63t in a 7g.

If you want to put a V6TT in the 7g give up on the 6a13 and find a 6a12. They are available from time to time. You'll probably pay more for the engine than the deal on the 6a13, but there won't be as much fabricating. An item is only a good deal if it doesn't cause you a lot of heart ache and money in the long run.

[Galant306m]

What abou useing the motor and transmission out of a 3000gt?? Get the VR4 motor and a 5spd fwd transmission from a 3000gt se??

[Goku]

the 3000GT engine will fit, but it requires just as much if not more modification.

[trigunracing]

Man o man, I'm hearing so many different answers,

I did research, in newzeland the galant gt is a 6a13TT awd car and its a 95 , some people told me my us design should still be a bolt on? So I'm really confused at this point ... A 6a12TT is not avalibe in this country what so ever , the 6a13 is avalibe and he's only got 2 left , I'm thinkin of giving up on this if I can't find the right tranny , I'm willing to pay the shipping , I have a friend that works for ups he's got amazing rates and know how to get around certain costs ;) so , I need adive people , would like to see the swap done ? If so help me gather info! Because I bet a lot of u would love to have a twin turbo engine in ur cars

[Galant306m]

the 3000GT engine will fit, but it requires just as much if not more modification.

But if you are good you can make it work. Looking at it dosnt seem that hard just need the standard stuff to make it work along with adding new motor mounts.

[trigunracing]

so i guess my research is all wrong,

the Galant GT was a 2.0l Engine, the 6a13tt does not bolt on directly , the 6a12tt is the one that bolts on directly
if there isnt much of a difference in the application i will still do it,

if anybody thinks else wise let me know. and does anybody knows Mitsubishi's number? i would really like to talk to them direct and get the schematics of both models and engines and applications, il pay money for it i dont care ,if i do choose to do it i wanna do it Right.

[Galant306m]

The only way that i could help you is by seeing the motor pulled out and haveing the new motor mocked up. Then i could show you ware the new mounts need to be and how everything is going to work. No one to my knowlage has done this swap yet, so you are working on limited knowlage. Goku would be your best bet for help as he sees them enough to know how they look and mabe ware the mounts are.

[Blue Ice]

6a12TT is Available in Japan and other over seas, as would be the tranny. I would suggest to look at engine bays with a 6a12TT engine in so you can get an idea of what you'll need to do. SEARCH, there are pictures of a 7g 6a12TT engine bays. From what i gathered it IS NOT a direct bolt in. you will have to fabricate mounts, but more importantly, i think you'll be able to put mounts where they should go.

6a13TT came with the 8g, no matter what year it may have been produced. Most world market Galants changed around 95/96 to the 8g while most north american models were still the 7g. Mitsu modified it for the US market from 96-98 hence the different front bumper and trunk tail lights. so don't simply go by the year, you need to reference the specific generation it came from.

you need to get the help from those who have a 7g VR4. You should ask the guys who live in europe or asia. they have them readily there. or even get Goku to post a pic of his engine bay.

[Galant306m]

I think that the V6 uses two lower mounds on the subframe one on each side. Someone correct me if im wrong.

[trigunracing]

Ok I see to much time and money going into this ...... If I do a dohc swap how much faster will the car be ? And how much sp will I get? I have a 2.O dohc sitting on the side from my last car I shouldn't be talkin about it here but from all the feed back I got from everyone , it sounds discuraging to even attempt the swap , if I coulda found the necessary parts to go ahead and make it awd I woulda done it already but I see no hope , DAMMIT! Lol

[Goku]

I'll post a pic up of both my engine bay and one of a 6A13TT engine.

That way you can see what modification you would need to do for either a 6A12 or a 6A13

[the_boogiman]

Dude, DO IT! Yeah, sure it'll be all kinds of headache. You'll spend way more money than the car will ever be worth. You'll have to do any and all maintenance and repairs in the future yourself. Try taking a 6a13 swapped Galant to a mechanic. All you'll get is dumb looks. Even from a Mitsubishi dealer if you're in North America. But, I say it's all worth it. You should do it anyway. All you need is money, time, and determination.

And if these will help any...

Mitsubishi Motors:
1-888-648-782007 (U.S.A.)
61-8-8275-7111 (AU)
64-4237-2439 (NZ)
03-3456-1111 (JP)

[trigunracing]

Thank you for the numbers! really appreciated!

sorry i havent been able to reply back on my decission guys, an engagment came up, lol
so my research and development will have to end for now,

so now im stuck with the 6a13tt engine and tranny in my garage hhahahaha

[mko]

IDK how much youve spent so far, but the 4g64 has a lot of potential. You could ve spent the money on fully build engine and tranny.

[hk20000]

Well I have a 6A12TT Galant VR4

I will trade you my 6A12TT for a 6-bolt 4G63 if that's what you fancy.... :smt006

back on topic: the engine mounts on the 6A is different from the 4G for obvious reasons. However, the 6A12 with the correct mounts and brackets will mount up to a 7G E56A chassis front subframe no problem (E84A VR4 shares the USDM E56A front subframe) and the tranny casing shares the part number with a 2G Eclipse (D33A) but the clutch casing does not match so you will need a 6A12TT + its clutch housing (bell housing) to make the two mate. If the 6A12 package that you are looking at has transmission bolted to it, then you can use the bell housing already in that package and make that work with your FWD tranny.

that said, the 6A12TT WILL mount to whatever transmission that you are going with now if you want FWD 240bhp torquesteer monster. So a transmission hunt is not necessary. I know this because there is the "VR" grade in Japan that's V6 FWD non-turbo using the same 6A12 mule. Given all the hardware is intact (full harness, ECU, fuel lines etc) the 6A12 should come to life with very little trouble.

an AWD swap will be more of a problem for you.


oh and I just read you want to put a 6A13TT into it. Heh good luck with the reversed engine + transmission positioning. That will NOT work without some serious fabrication. LOL 6A13

no seriously LOL what?

[hk20000]

6A10 - JDM Lancer and Mirage 1991 - 1995 FWD
6A11 - JDM Lancer FWD - 1995- 1998 FWD
6A12 - JDM Galant 1992-1995 FWD
6A12TT - VR-4 1992-1995 AWD
6A13 - Legnum and JDM Galant - 1996 - 2000 FWD
6A13TT - Galant and Legnum VR-4 AWD

But can someone inform this man that the 6A13 and 6A13TT is installed in reversed direction? Much like how EVO3 motors and EVO4 motors have very very little in common even when they are both 4G63?:smt062

Mitsubishi came up with all these crap all of a sudden around 1996 to screw everyone over....and they have succeeded. :smt019

[sideshow]

im half way thru doing wiring for an fto
orig enigne was 6a12
new engine is 6a13tt
should have it finished over next few nights
both cars are right hand drive
orig was auto
and new one is manual
so throw out all the auto stuff
simplifies the harness heaps