VR-4 Twin Turbo conversion

[Dennis7GV6]

After a long search i found a 1993 VR-4, i bought it, drove it home from England and the adventure could start.

I swapped the engine, the tranny, 4WD and complete brake system...

Here's some pics... :)

My "Good old" 6a12 non turbo wich nver failed me!!

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/2/3178/1061/20443030077_large.jpg?344513-331

A very empty car... Engine removed.

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Combining two wiring harnesses... 22 hours of work... Pfff ;)

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My empty car with the "new" and the "old"engine infront of it.

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"Old" engine, 6a12 2.0 V6 NT, 150 Bhp.

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My "new" VR-4 engine, a 6a12 2.0 V6 TT 240 Bhp..:)

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/2/3178/1061/20443030081_large.jpg?344513-331

Carefull... ;)

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Just a little bit further..

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And she is in... :)

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Nice isn't it... :)

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Hahaha... :)

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I had to cut out and weld back a big piece of the bottom of the car to fit the RWD onto my car.

The "tunnel" was much wider in the VR-r to fit the exhaust and drive shaft next to eachother, so cut it out and weld it back!! :)

This is what you would call a "flintstone car" ;)


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The piece that came out, you can see here that the black part is wider than the grey part, that's the difference...

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/2/3178/1061/20443030089_large.jpg?344513-331

My brother at work, he's cutting the part out of my own car.

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Ah perfect fit... :)

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I "painted" the inside with some kind of bitume goo, for insulation, and put some plastic over that.

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/2/3178/1061/20443030093_large.jpg?005113-331

Putting back the cleaned carpet, it's going to look like a real car again!

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The finished result!

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The back, with the VR-4 batch.. :)

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At night...

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In the twilight zone... ;)

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[audio_uphoria]

What turbo's are you using? What numbers are you shooting for?

[Dennis7GV6]

I's all stock at the moment, i'll just drive a while and enjoy this before upgrading it.. ;)

It has 240 Bhp and 390 Nm torque at 7250 and 4000 Rpm... :)

I'ts enough for now..;)

[greddy]

Very nice!

[Galant306m]

Wow!

(want to sell that front bumper????)

[gtx]

A 3L TT AWD 7G, sounds like a combo I could live with :D Nice job man!

[4-G-rim]

Very nice man...I commented your Cardomain page! :cool:

Very nice work for the swap...looks like you did everything the right way! This might give some insight for those with 7g's that want to embark on the AWD route. The biggest concern was the driveshaft channel being wide and big enough for the driveshaft and exhaust to share the same space.

Great job man...she must be a blast to drive!

[kolio]

that looks fantastic! great work.

if you get tired of that engine you could even swap to the 6a13TT from what i have heard from other members.

another .5L of fun

[boostzealot]

yep, im buying a 7g now just to do this!

[Galant306m]

yep, im buying a 7g now just to do this!

lies!

[boostzealot]

lol ok so if i end up with one, itll only take me a few months to do this, hmm yet another rare car from my garage. lol. id be a dick and hang 16g's on tubular manifolds and have a front mount like brians 8g. god that would be so badass. but on the real, im looking at the new lancer ralliart as my turbo awd fun. keeping the galant though, thats for sure

[Galant306m]

lol ok so if i end up with one, itll only take me a few months to do this, hmm yet another rare car from my garage. lol. id be a dick and hang 16g's on tubular manifolds and have a front mount like brians 8g. god that would be so badass. but on the real, im looking at the new lancer ralliart as my turbo awd fun. keeping the galant though, thats for sure

Thats my Proof Of LIES!

[boostzealot]

the ralliart is going to prove well for commuting and so on and it'll be decently quick after being with me long enough. not to mention getting beat up on by the NA beast in the driveway next to it. lol. but yea this thread really makes me want a 7g now.

[Galant306m]

the ralliart is going to prove well for commuting and so on and it'll be decently quick after being with me long enough. not to mention getting beat up on by the NA beast in the driveway next to it. lol. but yea this thread really makes me want a 7g now.

Im not going to sell mine till its dead and getting carried away on a flat bed, that could take awhile.

[Blackstare]

WOW! Must've been a lot of hard work! Very nice ride man!

[fuel]

A 3L TT AWD 7G, sounds like a combo I could live with :D Nice job man!

E84A VR-4 is 2L not 3L - it's the 6A12 engine not 6G72.

[Blackstare]

How much time did it take you? I'm curious...

[gtx]

E84A VR-4 is 2L not 3L - it's the 6A12 engine not 6G72.
Yeah I'm a dumb@ss. I'm always thinking 3kgt vr4 since that's the only one we had here in '93.

[Blue Ice]

Awesome job!! Looking at you're engine bay it appears to me that all the engine mounts are in the same spots as the 2.4L 4 cyl engine mounts. And the drive shaft issue is a cool idea.

[4g63lover]

Im not going to sell mine till its dead and getting carried away on a flat bed, that could take awhile.

im the same way with my 8G. and sad thing even when she dies, instead of carrying it on a flatbed, I'll just rebuild/restore her back to new.

7G must be mean with that set-up. Did you cut the whole floor? How did you keep the unibody from flexing?

[Goku]

Very nice :D

Though, owning an original one is far better :P

Good effort ^_^


Was the one you bought a manual or auto ?

[Dennis7GV6]

First of all thnx for the great reactions.. :)

@Galant306m, I got another set of bumpers, the ones that came of the Original car, but, sending it to the states would be very expensive i think... ;)

@ gtx, as said a few post further, its a 2 liter, but i can sure live with it like this! :D

@ 4-G-Rim, thnx, it was a hell of job, but fun also, and the results turned out just great!
And yeah, she is, i get cramps in my jaws when driving, laughing out loud
all the time... Just sooo funny at the traffic light... Just get it rolling, a bit of gas,
let them keep up a bit, then slam on the gas, at 2500 RPM you can hear the turbo's
spooling up, and then... PFFFFFT... See Ya... Hahahah feels so great... :P
And the handling, at cornering she just goes, no questions askt...
Just Great..!

@ Blackstare, it took me two full weeks... I took two weeks off, and worked, just worked at
the car for two weeks... From 8 am till 11 pm.. :) The weekends too... I only
had two weeks off from my work and i did it at the workshop of a friend of
mine, which was in Egypt for a two week holiday... So it HAD to be
finished... ;) I died after those two weeks, and had to rest at work.. ;)

@ Blueice, Don't know maybe it is, my advantage was that i had a tunnel which fitted,
i could cut it out and put the whole thing back, with all the assembly points for
the exhaust and drive shaft.
I thought about it for just one minute to just put the engine in, fit it to my 2WD
tranny and leave the 4WD to rest, just because the work that it would be to
fit it all in...
But i really wanted the AWD, it's so cool, so i plunged into the deep a started
cutting... ;) Hmmm no way back now... ;)

@4g63lover, I just started with the VR-4, so i could see what was going to happen, when i
cutted the piece out... And nothing did... absolutely nothing... Because i
kept the reinforcements that runs over the bottom in the lenght
of the car intact, so it kept it's strenght.

@ Goku I owned one... ;)But mine was better, it was rusty, full of dents, bad repaired
damage, 4WS malfunctioning, ECS malfunctioning, and i wanted it to be LHD...
Plus it would cost me over 1500 US Dollars to register it... So i decided to just
swap the whole heap.. And in the proces took the best of both, i have a LHD
VR-4 with airbags, cruisecontrol, JDM Headlights eurpean style made of glass,
leather interior, sunroof etc., etc... Ah i'm happy with my knock off... :P
It is an Manual tranny... :)

[Goku]

Sweet, well done

Does it have the blue tab turbo's ?

[Dennis7GV6]

Thnx.. :)

Eh Blue tabs... don't know, have to search a pic..

Edit..

Yes I think it does..

Why are they bad?

Take a look.. :)

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/2/3178/1061/20443030095_large.jpg?575515-332

[fuel]

I think they're the better TD025 out of the lot, they seem to come in varying trim levels for auto, manual etc

[Goku]

Yep, the Blue tabs are the bigger more powerful ones :D

[Blue Ice]

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/2/3178/1061/20443030095_large.jpg?575515-332


Yep, the Blue tabs are the bigger more powerful ones :D

Really? that thing looks kind of cute to me? Awww the cute wittle turbo...

haha sorry man i couldn't resist. still though, great work.

[E_Emerson88]

nice job, i love those pics of your ride by the way. especially the way it sparkles hahaha

[Dennis7GV6]

I think they're the better TD025 out of the lot, they seem to come in varying trim levels for auto, manual etc


Yep, the Blue tabs are the bigger more powerful ones :D

Ah, so i have the "better" ones, that's great... I didn't knew there where dffirent types... :)

Thnx for the info.. :D



Really? that thing looks kind of cute to me? Awww the cute wittle turbo...

haha sorry man i couldn't resist. still though, great work.

Hahaha doesn't matter, i thought the same, it's sweet... :)
The diameter of the hole is aproxx. 3,5 cm.... :)
But that´s the reason they put two on it... :D


nice job, i love those pics of your ride by the way. especially the way it sparkles hahaha


Thnx, I just try to just keep it clean and polished at all times... :)
And the pictures are special to me, because we had a contest at our forum...
It was to make great pictures pictures of your Galant, send them in, and they would pic the most beautifull one and make a calender of the 12 best pictures...

So i went out with a friend of mine who has a very good camera and started driving aroud and take pictures...:)
This were three of the pictures i sended in..

And i made it, one of my pictures was chosen! My copy is on its way to me by mail... :)

[trickytrick]

car looks so sick. how long did the whole transformation take?? when i get around to it me and my bro plan to start my old 7g project

[hk20000]

bluetag turbos are the bigger ones for the Manual transmission model rated at 240HP the other one is the smaller one rated for 215HP.

This thread make me feel proud about my genuine VR4 :P

And the fact that I didn't listen to my f00lish friends in getting a regular 7G galant for chassis swap operation - would have been way out of hand too quickly.

That said, if my engine ever leaves the car only 1 engine is going back in, and that would be a properly built 4G63 - the pain to own a V6 engine in a land where there are zero other V6 Galants laying around is too much to bear.

[Goku]

Well then just makes it unique HK :)

[hk20000]

yeah unique.

http://www.captainsquid.com/go/UniqueDemotivator.jpg

there simply is no reason for a 2L V6. Ever.

Also question: Why is there so much engine haness splicing work when you have a V6 TT donor car lying around? as far as I can tell the ECU for LHD and RHD is identical - the ECU is located in the same place.

so what is with 22 hours of splicing?

[Goku]

Extra sensors and what not I'd say.

And what you mean no reason for a 2L V6, this one and the one in my car are both 2L V6's, don't forget there are also 1.8 and 1.6 V6's in the mitsi range :D

[hk20000]

well have you tried replacing the rear bank turbo?
rear bank heater hose?
rear bank water to oil cooler hose?
rear bank sparkplugs?
rear headgasket?
replace timing belt?
alternator between the engine and the firewall?
rear turbo actuator vaccuum hose?

now try to do the same thing on a 4G63.

oh wait let's see.........we don't have anything like that there. Nevermind.

What's the displacement to the cc on a 6A12? 1990cc
what's the displacement to the cc on a 4G63? 1998cc

what's the horsepower on a 1993 6A12? 240HP and top out at 380HP.
what's the horsepower on a 1993 4G63? 250HP and oogles of potential.

Why do we need a V6? Give me even ONE valid reason. None of that "V6 is smooth" bullshit 4G63 can balance itself fine with balancer shafts.

[hk20000]

Extra sensors and what not I'd say.

can't he just take out the harness from the turbo VR4 and lay it all back onto the new car? sensors come with the engine anyway... :confused:

[Bjerg]

well have you tried replacing the rear bank turbo?
rear bank heater hose?
rear bank water to oil cooler hose?
rear bank sparkplugs?
rear headgasket?
replace timing belt?
alternator between the engine and the firewall?
rear turbo actuator vaccuum hose?

now try to do the same thing on a 4G63.

oh wait let's see.........we don't have anything like that there. Nevermind.

What's the displacement to the cc on a 6A12? 1990cc
what's the displacement to the cc on a 4G63? 1998cc

what's the horsepower on a 1993 6A12? 240HP and top out at 380HP.
what's the horsepower on a 1993 4G63? 250HP and oogles of potential.

Why do we need a V6? Give me even ONE valid reason. None of that "V6 is smooth" bullshit 4G63 can balance itself fine with balancer shafts.

Well, one good reason is the SOUND it makes :cool:
And of course that the mitsu V6 comes in 3.0 liter, whereas the R4 (row-4 or straight-4, not sure what it's called in english) comes in 2.4 max (as I recall)......

[Goku]

^^ he beat me to it

The sound of a V6 is great, far better than the lumpy mess that comes out of the exhaust of an I4. The V6 purrs while it's idling and screams when you give it heaps.

And yes I have replaced the plugs on the rear bank, not that hard, I have also removed the rear turbo and several other bits while doing upgrades.

Who told you that these things top out at 380 ?
I think you'll find that the 4G63 would top out pretty quick as well if it didn't have the supporting mods, most people don't know what you have to do to get more power from the 6A series of engines.


So basically if you don't know what you are doing, or how to make things run a lot better, then yes, maybe you should go to an I4. It's all personal preference really, I'm going to stick with my V6's.

[kolio]

^^ he beat me to it

The sound of a V6 is great, far better than the lumpy mess that comes out of the exhaust of an I4. The V6 purrs while it's idling and screams when you give it heaps.

And yes I have replaced the plugs on the rear bank, not that hard, I have also removed the rear turbo and several other bits while doing upgrades.

Who told you that these things top out at 380 ?
I think you'll find that the 4G63 would top out pretty quick as well if it didn't have the supporting mods, most people don't know what you have to do to get more power from the 6A series of engines.


So basically if you don't know what you are doing, or how to make things run a lot better, then yes, maybe you should go to an I4. It's all personal preference really, I'm going to stick with my V6's.

he speaks the truth. the v6 does have all the potential the 4g63 does. the 4g63 also tops out just like the 6a12.

then all supporting mods come in. for you guys overseas it makes sense to keep the 6a. alot more support and parts. here it makes sense to have the I-4. unless you want a one of a kind v6 twin turbo FWD usdm 7G!

[hk20000]

who is having an I-4 and want a V6 should look in the for sale section. :rolleyes:

I will trade you my V6 for your I-4 anyday. V6 placed sideways is maintenance nightmare.

aha V6 has potential up to 380HP that's tested and true from Aussie forums where the 6A12 is tuned (strange that anyone even tried) and they will royally let go at 380HP. Rods will see light at 400.

find me forged pistons, rods, and cams for a 6A12...... :smt046 Don't worry I'll wait. :rolleyes:

there is nothing more frustrating than to change your sparkplugs (all 6 of them) and then find out that they aren't gapped right and yank half an engine apart again to get to them. Not to mention that Mitsubishi V6s will always I mean ALWAYS seeping oil from one place or another. And it is a lot more feasible to seal up the 4G63 than the 6A12 (4x cam seals 2x head gasket 2x valve cover gasket 4x circular rubber thing on the other end of the cam, oil return ON THE BACK SIDE, devastating heat management for the rear bank causing awfully common headgasket failure and other seal failures - including and not limiting to turbo seal, oil pan seal and random coolant hose burst at the throttle body because it's hung 3 inches away from the turbo.)

6A12TT is a plain rolling bomb. I have had more issues with my Galant VR4 than all my other cars combined in the past years (that says a lot I have had 14 cars). And I am totally trying to drive the car until the timing belt snaps or what other happens so I can throw it to the metal recyclers. Make no mistake I love galants I love the VR4 it's very subtle very cool, it has technology that was way ahead of its time and it goes like stink but then if I ever get a chance at blowing this motor up I will want a 4G63 in there.

my EVO sounds just as good as my VR4 it's just what kind of muffler are you running. Don't be an idiot.

I'm not saying this guy shouldn't have done it, I mean given the situation and the parts availability (I don't know maybe he got the VR4 for free?) this was probably a way to go but I'm saying I wouldn't do this if I were you. 4G63 is world reknowned, easy to tune, easy to setup, easy to go batshit fast....over the counter go fast bits easily match a mopar catalog. 6A12? not so much.

[Modified]

Nice motor swap. I would love to have that motor in my 8G.

[Goku]

They didn't have the 7G VR-4 in australia, so your source would be wrong there. the 6A12 they will be playing with is the FTO, which isn't the same as the VR-4, well not identical anyway.

There must be something you're doing to cause all the problems you're seeing with this motor, I have never had even half the problems you're talking about. What oils are you running?, what plugs? how much boost ? How hard do you drive it ? It can also be caused by the air temp and humidity of where you live...

As for forged internals, yes we can get them and most parts for the 6A13TT will bolt straight up to the 6A12TT.

I hear Evo's everyday, I used to work for mitsubishi, and the fact is they all sound the same, same pitch, same pathetic droll no matter what exhaust you're running on them.
Stock for stock the VR-4 sounds better, full 3" back the V6 sounds better.

Tha main reason there are so many parts available for the 4G63 is that it was released in the states, where as the 6A was not. However, there are also a lot of parts available for the 6G in the GTO (3000GT) which is also capable of making huge power.

Have you ever stopped to think though, the ease of making the 4G go that fast has a downside, like huge turbo lag and crappy city driving ?

And try looking to Japan for parts for the VR-4, I think you'll be suprised what you can find.

[kolio]

i can buy a front clip and whole rear end of a 7G vr-4 for 2k

rpw in australia has cams and internals for the 6a motors.

the 63's have there own set of problems. it's funny how you have all these problems when alot of our other members don't. Goku himself is pushing about 315hp.

anyway props to the OP for doing the swap.

[hk20000]

315 is fine I bet I'm pushing at least that much now at 1.1bar just nothing over 380HP. No amount of fuel delivery, injector or tuning will save you on that one. 6A12 has pinky finger conrods. 'nuff said. It's not knock failure or anything, the conrods simply rip themselves into 2 pieces when pushed over 380HP.

6A13 parts wouldn't go into a 6A12 are you high on something? No, the Aussies imported a bunch of 7G VR4 and they have been trying to be creative. No it didn't work out. They ended up going for 4G63. It's only in places where engine swaps are illegal (as in changing to a different series engine) would a 6A12 make any stinking sense.

Aussies did try their hands on "single turbo" converting the 6A12 to push one larger turbo to get all the clutter out of the engine bay and push bigger power than what would have been possible with the stupidly hot back side of an engine:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f356/UNLOYL/MyVR44.jpg
the intake has to be custom made to come in the other way to avoid the hot turbo....Because 2 TD04 installed into the OE positions would be waaaaay tooo hot and waay too hard to service at any rate. The new manifold also eliminates the need to open up the manifold to get to anything in the back side - for heaven's sake.

Look at the dimensions of the 6A12 vs 6A13 first,
6A12 78.4mm x 69.0mm - characteristics: high revs not as torquey as it could have been (versus something like a 78mm stroke)
6A13 81.0mm x 80.8mm - squared bore x stroke gives a more balanced engine.
and you say I can bolt 6A13 internals to a 6A12.... reeeeallly?

http://www.atomicspeedware.com/rodmitpaut.htm
conrods are available BUT they are 1.5x more expensive than the ones on a 4G63 (coz there are 1.5 times the rods I guess?) - again for no reason at all.

As for low end torque - stock for stock the 4G63 wouldn't even lose the battle with the 6A12, any rev on the gauge. The EVO Cyclone 2 stage intake takes care of all that. Also the 4G63 is actually a LARGER engine than the 6A12 making its low end power production almost unbelievably well sorted. It drives like a 2.0T Audi. Like seriously.

the only dream swap if money is no object, is to bolt the FTO MIVEC engine head onto the 6A12TT on the VR4, manage that with MoTEC and you'd have a throughly 2008 technology V6 twin turbo w/ MIVEC - JUST LIKE EVO9!.....maybe THEN you have some reason for all the trouble.

[Goku]

^^ thats a New Zealand car bro, infact it's in the same city I am and yes, that was a pretty poor job of doing a single turbo conversion using a TD05, not a TD04.

Austrailia never imported the 7g VR-4 ever, they only just recently got the 8G vr-4.

People over here run twin TD04's on them all the time, without changing the intake manifold. You really haven't found much of any stable arguments my friend.

I never said the internals would go in, other parts from the 6A13 go on to the 6A12, I guess I didn't make that clear enough.

As for the mivec to a 6A12TT, it's been done before, as has the mivec to 6A13TT.

Plus there are is a guy running twin TD05's on the 6A13TT in Russia with stock internals at about 450hp atw, Jun made a VR-4 race car pushing 550HP at the wheels with twin TD05's and forged internals.

[Dennis7GV6]

Hmmm big discussion going on here..

First of all the reason i have chosen for the 6A12TT, is just simply the fact that i had a
6A12 n/t.. I knew there was a VR-4 version, and i just wanted it... The easiest to upgrade
my car... I never heard of any troubles with the engine at all, maybe i 'm going to find out now.. All I know is that the engine has run 110000 km and it's running fine, no starnge noises or what so ever.. And i just like the V6, the sound, the way it's runs...

Changing the sparkplugs is a bit of work, that's right, but I did it for the second time now, and if you know what has to come off and what doesn't it's not that bad and easily done in two hours. And with the irridium sparkplugs it's runs fine for another 90000 km's.

The wiring harnes is a luxury problem of myself...

I could have just taken the VR-4 harness but i didn't because i was not using big parts of it, like the 4WS, ECS.

And... my car had airbags and cruise control, and just really wanted to keep the whole package.
So to make it nicely and without heaps of unused cable, i cut half out of it, and put two harnesses together.

And i'm happy with 240 Hp now... ;)

[mysticj]

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f356/UNLOYL/MyVR44.jpg


I never seen this version of the "world spec" 7g front bumper before, is it aftermarket?

hk20000, if you having issues with your 6a12, have you ever thought of swapping a 6g73 or 6g72 if the 4g63t doesn't work out.

Dennis: nice swap!

[Goku]

That's a stock JDM bumper hacked up to fit the big ass intercooler in there.

[mysticj]

That's a stock JDM bumper hacked up to fit the big ass intercooler in there.

Nice, I wish they will make an aftermarket front bumper[JDM VR4] for our cars.

[fuel]

hk20000 my god you spout out some shit.

How is a 4G63 larger than a 6A12? You mis-quoted the cc ratings of both engines.. if you don't even know what cc each engine is, how are we to know you actually know what you're talking about?

4G63 is 1997cc... 6A12 is 1998cc (exactly 333cc per cylinder). By your theory that would make the 6A12 larger. Hah.

When the 7G VR-4 came out, it wasn't to replace the rally-inspired outgoing E39A Galant VR-4 (that was the Lancer Evo's job). Instead the 7G went in the direction of a luxury tourer rather than an all out performance car.

Yes I can agree the 6A series engine does have its weak points (the rods being one of them, and I've had first hand experience with the devastation of them letting go), but with simple basic mods (larger exhaust, better cold air induction + intercooler) and higher boost they can be pushed down the 1/4 mile (in a heavy E84A none the less) in mid 12 second times. There was one guy here in NZ who consistently posted up mid-12s in the three E84A VR-4s he had owned. If anything the weak spot (in his case) was the rear diff mounts which would always let go after abuse.

There is NO WAY you can get a 4G63 to sound as hot as a 6A12. Maybe you shouldn't be so stupid. A 6 cylinder engine is always going to be more smoother than a 4 cylinder despite how many balance shafts you put in there. You have 6 cylinders firing more closer together than a 4 cyl engine over the 360deg rotation of a full engine revolution. Simple as that.

Also, the Lancer Evolution didn't have the two-stage cyclone manifold. It never did and it never will. That was the E39A Galant VR-4 manifold, on the large port head. Mitsubishi realised it was a stupid idea (just like Toyota did with their TVIS which is essentially the same), and did away with it on the Lancer Evo onwards, which is why the Evo 4G63 heads have smaller ports, to aid mid-range turbulence and promote combustion chamber swirl.

The only reason the 6A12 turbo doesn't have much support compared to the 4G63 is because the 6A12 turbo was only in one car, while the 4G63 turbo made it's debut in 1980 and was finally dropped in 2007, and was found in a dozen of Mitsubishi's line-up over the years.