200 HP w/o Turbo or Supercharge...Can it be done?? [Archive]

Spyder4G64t

01-31-2003, 03:28 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(NOSMAN7G)</div><div class='quotemain'>Heres what i've decied to do:
RPW Headers w/ Highflow Cat
Upgrade internals (what would you guys suggest?)
NOS 75 Shot</div>With a 75-shot of NOS, you probably can save your money and don't bother with the internal mods. Invest in better fuel components first.

NOSMAN7G

01-31-2003, 05:21 PM

What kind of fuel components should I get?? Better fuel pump but I don't really know what else improves performance from there. By the way how long have you ahd your 4G64 turboed?? Thanx

Lazarus

01-31-2003, 08:45 PM

probably the Walbro 255 fuel pump, larger injectors, Fuel Pressure Regulator. granted your MPG is going through the floor it can be done.

Also the header may or maynot give you as many HP gains as yor looking for. You may want to get the header but before you install you may want to get a moderate Port and polish on the Head. I am not sure how the Header and Exaust ports match up on a 7th Gen but on an 8th Gen you gain a little HP but a good amount of Torque. I know VisionImports offers the Ported and polished Head with 2nd Stage cam ang Gear but not sure of the price.

dukeplaya3169

01-31-2003, 11:28 PM

intake
cat back exhaust
p+p CH,IM,TB
plugs
wires
headers
hfc
fpr
pulleys/belts
camshaft
cam gear
s-afc
upgraded ignition
injectors
fuel pump
high compression pistons
rods
you "COULD" quad--but $$$$$
high octane gas
If you do all these, then you quad, I can guarantee you'll have the the fastest galant in your area, guestimate you'll be running a low 13 sec. or 12 sec. quarter with a beefed up tranny. Remember, this is also all depending on the tuning as well.
there's other stuff ya can do...but if you actually complete all these...then pm me and I'll tell ya more.

Auto-9

02-01-2003, 02:59 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Spyder4G64t)</div><div class='quotemain'>With a 75-shot of NOS, you probably can save your money and don't bother with the internal mods. Â*Invest in better fuel components first.</div>

I agree...if you're gonna beef up your internals you could also run a higher shot of NOS, which would probably push you past the 200 mark. A V6 Eclipse Cali spec auto tranny pulled 273 whp on the dyno with a 75 shot while I was watching. Watching a dyno of a bottle fed vehicle is really fun to do btw if you haven't seen it before.

Lazarus

02-01-2003, 04:31 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(NOSMAN7G)</div><div class='quotemain'>How can I hit around 200HP w/o NOS, Turbo, and Supercharge? Â*If so how?? Â*Thanx alot</div>

without Nos guys

HeadAche

02-02-2003, 04:36 PM

If your lookin at 200hp without FI, you need to do your internals

Bored TB
Cam Gear
Cam Shaft
Bore/Stroke
High Comp Pistons, preferably forged pistons and rods
CAI , Headers w/HFC
8.5mm or bigger wires
Cold core plugs
Syntec Engine and tranny fluid.
Underdrive Pulley Kit
Walbro .255 Fuel pump, w/ 90+octane gas
FPR
S-AFC, cant tune shit without it.
Titanium Valve springs and sleeves
390cc or 400cc injectors
Individula Quad TB, would be cool.. but that shit cost $$$$, (optional) . :twisted:
Torque converter
Tranny shift Kit or Bulletproofed, its a must to hold the power..

Thats really about it, and the proper people to help you tune it. I Pulled 200hp NA, but i have a completely built race motor, everything has been done.. my mods list is long, and i have spent thousands of dollars making this car as fast as it is..

NOSMAN7G

02-02-2003, 06:14 PM

Thanx Kemist. I know where to get some of the parts but where can I get the injectors and fuel pump (what make/model) car?? I'm just working on the body now Shogun kit, Custum fenders...Trying to find a hood. I'm saving most of the engine upgrades for last. I'm still trying to figure out what to do w/ the engine. I've read through this forum a few times and can't come to a decision. 4G63T, Turbo this motor, or what?? What made you deside to upgrade the stock motor?? Thanx Sorry if I'm being a pain :twisted:

TwistedGTZ01

02-02-2003, 07:11 PM

i hit 201 hp at the wheels with a 65 shot of NOS, CAI and exhaust. but i also blew my motor up a few weeks ago, so don't listen to me https://www.thegalantcenter.org/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif i'de do internals, then take it from there.

Kain

02-02-2003, 07:27 PM

Sure ya can. It'd be a bit tough w/o Forced induction, but it can definitely be done. Mostly with porting of the head and other additions to get air in and out faster. I mean, think about it... you pick up around 10 hp from just an intake. ExtrudeHone the IM, 1g TB, P&P head, Cam + headers from RPW, and full exhaust would probably get you just about there.

HeadAche

02-02-2003, 07:50 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(NOSMAN7G)</div><div class='quotemain'>Thanx Kemist. Â*I know where to get some of the parts but where can I get the injectors and fuel pump (what make/model) car?? Â*I'm just working on the body now Shogun kit, Custum fenders...Trying to find a hood. Â*I'm saving most of the engine upgrades for last. Â*I'm still trying to figure out what to do w/ the engine. Â*I've read through this forum a few times and can't come to a decision. Â*4G63T, Turbo this motor, or what?? Â*What made you deside to upgrade the stock motor?? Â*Thanx Sorry if I'm being a pain :twisted:</div>

The fuel pump you can directly from www.walbro.com, the injectors i will have to find the addy ad give that 2 ya unless, Pinoy has it already on the parts lists.. I upgraded my stock motor, just because i could..lol.. It sounds like a stupid reason, but everyone had the usual Honda Integra/Civc thing around my way.. When i got the G everyone was like you cant do anything with that fridge.. Proved them wrong when i beat a RSX-S at the track one night, then a Type-R integra on I-95 coming back from HIN... I do it because i love a challenge, and this car is really fun to work on, not including it turns heads when u pull up to people, hell it turns more heads when ur flying past them and they see 4-doors..lol..

NOSMAN7G

02-02-2003, 09:58 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dukeplaya3169)</div><div class='quotemain'>intake Â*
cat back exhaust
p+p CH,IM,TB
plugs Â*
wires
headers
hfc
fpr
pulleys/belts
camshaft
cam gear
s-afc
upgraded ignition
injectors
fuel pump
you "COULD" quad--but $$$$$
high octane gas
If you do all these, then you quad, I can guarantee you'll have the the fastest galant in your area, guestimate you'll be running a low 13 sec. or 12 sec. quarter with a beefed up tranny. Remember, this is also all depending on the tuning as well.
there's other stuff ya can do...but if you actually complete all these...then pm me and I'll tell ya more.</div>

Wouldn't it be easier to get a better engine than do all that?? Whats the advantage of staying with the stock motor than going to a turbo engine?? Kemist do you have pics of your car and your old NOS setup??

HeadAche

02-02-2003, 10:12 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(NOSMAN7G)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dukeplaya3169)</div><div class='quotemain'>intake Â*
cat back exhaust
p+p CH,IM,TB
plugs Â*
wires
headers
hfc
fpr
pulleys/belts
camshaft
cam gear
s-afc
upgraded ignition
injectors
fuel pump
you "COULD" quad--but $$$$$
high octane gas
If you do all these, then you quad, I can guarantee you'll have the the fastest galant in your area, guestimate you'll be running a low 13 sec. or 12 sec. quarter with a beefed up tranny. Remember, this is also all depending on the tuning as well.
there's other stuff ya can do...but if you actually complete all these...then pm me and I'll tell ya more.</div>

Wouldn't it be easier to get a better engine than do all that?? Whats the advantage of staying with the stock motor than going to a turbo engine?? Kemist do you have pics of your car and your old NOS setup??</div>

You would in most case spend more on a different motor than you would getting most of these things done.,. ONly motor i would swap 2 would be a VR-4 or EVO V, and doing that kinda swap is crazy.. ONly person i know of even attempting this swap is Clay, and i think his EVO swap is almost done.. ONLy pics ever taken of my set-up are with the Guys from ZEX when the partially sponsored my motor for A race out here in Orlando a year ago.. I have posted any because the last time i did they pics were stolen and someone was taking credit for my work, and not even getting the parts right..

Censee

02-03-2003, 10:18 AM

u guys think the current evo 8 motor will fit...with som mods...since its hitting US shores we will have all the parts availabl for it to work...........any comments..

NOSMAN7G

02-03-2003, 10:24 AM

So really what your saying is that it would be better to upgrade the stock 2.4L than it would be to swap a 4G63T?? I was pricing these engines and found a few for 1499. That seems cheaper than the P&P, Pistons, rods, ect. I wouldn't mind keeping the stock engine but its so hard to find parts for it...I know that most of the eclipse parts will fit but not sure which ones. How much was your rebuild Kemist?? If I could get the engine like new again I'd definetly hook that up but I don't want to spend all this money on a 47K mile engine. Who on this forum has done these upgrades besides Kemist?? Thanx

Kain

02-03-2003, 10:49 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(NOSMAN7G)</div><div class='quotemain'>So really what your saying is that it would be better to upgrade the stock 2.4L than it would be to swap a 4G63T?? Â*I was pricing these engines and found a few for 1499.</div>

*shudder* never just drop in a used engine, especially a bargain basement one of unknown origin. I've tried this, and by the time I was done it probably would have been cheaper and easier to rebuild the donor motor immediately upon reciept than go through the hastle of fixing myriad problems after instalation. I'm just a bit biased, but I'd stick with the 4g64 all the way (well, maybe swap to DOHC, but otherwise stick with the '64)

HeadAche

02-03-2003, 11:11 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(NOSMAN7G)</div><div class='quotemain'>So really what your saying is that it would be better to upgrade the stock 2.4L than it would be to swap a 4G63T?? Â*I was pricing these engines and found a few for 1499. Â*That seems cheaper than the P&P, Pistons, rods, ect. Â*I wouldn't mind keeping the stock engine but its so hard to find parts for it...I know that most of the eclipse parts will fit but not sure which ones. Â*How much was your rebuild Kemist?? Â*If I could get the engine like new again I'd definetly hook that up but I don't want to spend all this money on a 47K mile engine. Â*Who on this forum has done these upgrades besides Kemist?? Â*Thanx</div>

Just like Kain has said, its a real 50/50 chance when buying a motor that you have no idea where it came from, even though most places will give you a background history on it.. The 4g63t is a great motor but i woouldnt buy it, just because i know the 4g64 has great underlines potential, even though parts are kinda hard to find. The internals for the 3g eclipse will fit our motor since they are the same, so thats really not a problem.. I have about 46k on my second motor, and she is just getting broken in, so i still have a lot left in her.. The complete rebuid of the second motor ran me about 8'gs, and there is nothing that hasnt been done.. All in all, i have spent maybe about 15'gs on the re-build of both motors.. The first one im giving to my friend to put in his 2g eclipse and put individual TB, and possibly a BB 18g 60 trim..

NOSMAN7G

02-03-2003, 09:04 PM

HeadAche

02-03-2003, 10:52 PM

This is gonna probaly sound stupid but what years a 3gen eclipses 95-99?? Also I'm thinking on the DOHC swap..How much do you think it would cost from start to finish?? I will stick with the 4G64 for now...but I'm probaly gonna find a 4G63 or a 4G63T to play around with. Alright I have the list of what to do but what can be done to increase acceleration? The kit comes first but I just wanna do a little here and a little there to make the engine a bit stronger. Thanx for all the responses.

3g start from 99+ and on.. A DOHC swap, not realyl sure what the cost would be, it all really depends on how much you can get the block for and who does it, really.. I would say at the most prolly 5-6g's but thats just an approx.. If you want to increase acceleration, you can always move your TB cable so there is not so much slack it in.. Then you can get what i call the starter mods, I/H/E, just the basics to get that bottom end,and get better responce right off the line..

Strahan

02-04-2003, 11:59 AM

200+ HP N/A? No prob.. buy a 70 Chevelle LS6 SS454. 450HP N/A https://www.thegalantcenter.org/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif

NOSMAN7G

02-04-2003, 05:45 PM

So many options...I'm going to the Junkyard this week or next so I'll look for a DOHC head. I just gotta find out year and turbo or non-turbo. I'll check all the other posts on the swap. So you think probaly 5-6gs for just the swap alone?? Thats alot..lol. Whos 7g has all these engine upgrades?? Does anyone?? I know alot of 8gs do but I havent heard of many 7gs w/major engine work.

Danger DANJ

02-05-2003, 08:11 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kemist aka Shane)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(NOSMAN7G)</div><div class='quotemain'>This is gonna probaly sound stupid but what years a 3gen eclipses Â*95-99?? Â*Also I'm thinking on the DOHC swap..How much do you think it would cost from start to finish?? Â*I will stick with the 4G64 for now...but I'm probaly gonna find a 4G63 or a 4G63T to play around with. Â*Alright I have the list of what to do but what can be done to increase acceleration? Â*The kit comes first but I just wanna do a little here and a little there to make the engine a bit stronger. Â*Thanx for all the responses.</div>

3g start from 99+ and on.. </div>

3g Eclipses are from 2000 and on. 8g Galants are from 1999 and on.

NOSMAN7G

02-05-2003, 10:37 AM

Thanx for clearing that up. Once I get back I'll save up for the $4000 hybrid motor from magnus. That should give me some decent power don't you guys think??

NOSMAN7G

02-06-2003, 07:58 PM

More questions ...Does a 4G63 or 4G63T fit our cars w/o much mods?? I was talking to a mitsu mechanic today and he said he did'nt think it would fit in the galants. Who has done this and could help me out?? PM me if you have. I'm interested in the cost and the HP gain from the swaps. Thanx alot https://www.thegalantcenter.org/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif

Kain

02-06-2003, 08:25 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(NOSMAN7G)</div><div class='quotemain'>More questions ...Does a 4G63 or 4G63T fit our cars w/o much mods?? I was talking to a mitsu mechanic today and he said he did'nt think it would fit in the galants. Â*Who has done this and could help me out?? Â*PM me if you have. Â*I'm interested in the cost and the HP gain from the swaps. Â*Thanx alot Â*:D</div>

Craig did it. Took him a weekend I think. Minimal modifications needed. That tech didn't know his engines very well... the '64 is just a slightly larger version of a 4g63.

NOSMAN7G

02-06-2003, 08:35 PM

So do you think it would be better to swap a 4G63 into my galant? Easier to get parts for and more power. How hard is this install? I found a jdm Mitsubishi 4G63 Turbo Charged TD04 Engine 200 HP. for around 1200 shipped. Good or No?

T-O-P

02-08-2003, 09:10 PM

It all depends. If the new motor swap is going to be a direct fit, I guess so. Usually engine swaps have to do with changing some stuff in the suspension and motor mounts. This can get pretty pricey. All at the end you could be looking at $10K for everything including labor.

All the mod's listed for 200 hp is for probably 200 at the wheels. You can easily get 200 with several mods. Port and polish the heads, bore the headers, and make a clean 2.25" straight pipe with a universal muffler exhaust system, and probably 2 more internals work and you will see 200hp.

This is a top-end racing car, if your looking for 200hp at the wheels .. better have the money. And if your going to do an engine swap that requires new motor mounts and some major chassis modifications .. get the diamante motor and beef that baby up.

leadfoot

02-09-2003, 07:43 PM

that is QUAD? are you talkin vr4

Kain

02-09-2003, 08:10 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(leadfoot)</div><div class='quotemain'>that is QUAD? are you talkin vr4</div>

No, quad throttle bodies...the ultimate N/A mod (can be used w/ turbo, but really tricky.)

Lazarus

02-09-2003, 08:56 PM

I thought Quad hd something to do with Subs and a riding the train....lol

Quad=4 throttle bodies

http://www.visionimports.com/files/x3_quads_top.jpg
http://www.rpw.com.au/New%20Website/General%20Photos/Qaud%20Pictures/Lancer18side.jpg

leadfoot

02-10-2003, 01:58 PM

WOW damn that look's bad ass i likeit how much for the part what does it do and how much power gains can i expect from this? and where can i get one and one more thing i was going to ask what do you need to run this just the basic bolt on's? i/h/e/p

Kain

02-10-2003, 03:38 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(leadfoot)</div><div class='quotemain'>WOW damn that look's bad ass i likeit how much for the part what does it do and how much power gains can i expect from this? and where can i get one and one more thing i was going to ask what do you need to run this just the basic bolt on's? i/h/e/p</div>

Yeah, for that you're looking at spending a couple of thousand. It requires a stand-alone engine management to make it work. Vast fuel upgrades would also be called for. Hp gains are enormous, like in the realm of 100+ It completely eliminates the intake, what you see in the pic is where the air enters. Not a basic mod that you're gonna slap on in your driveway.

HeadAche

02-10-2003, 04:11 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kain)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(leadfoot)</div><div class='quotemain'>WOW damn that look's bad ass i likeit how much for the part what does it do and how much power gains can i expect from this? and where can i get one and one more thing i was going to ask what do you need to run this just the basic bolt on's? i/h/e/p</div>

Yeah, for that you're looking at spending a couple of thousand. It requires a stand-alone engine management to make it work. Vast fuel upgrades would also be called for. Hp gains are enormous, like in the realm of 100+ It completely eliminates the intake, what you see in the pic is where the air enters. Not a basic mod that you're gonna slap on in your driveway.</div>

your are right, this is not a basic bolt on.. This is a major upgrade, i have only seen it done once, and it was done on a WRX and the power gains were like in the 75hp+ range.. not including he was using the AEM stand alone fuel management system which runs about $1400, and 2 fuel pumps because the the TB's were just sucking up gas... ITs a kiler mod if you have the dough to do it right, something im thinking of doing when i get my turbo issues all settled..

NOSMAN7G

02-11-2003, 04:48 PM

Would this 4g63 fit in almost perfectly?? Its an AWD but can't I lock the tranny so it only does FWD?? I've come to the conclusion that if I get the 4g63 There will way more possibilites. Better aftermarket support ect. Plus this engine comes stock w/200 HP:) The swap shouldnt Cost all that much right? I plan to rebuild it my self and upgrade the turbo. What do you guys think?