what block build would be the best outcome?

[Gtorque]

hey guys,

i am going to be doing my evo head swap and 5 speed manual swap in the near future

does anyone have any suggestions on what block build would make the best outcome for these?

thanks

[Stewi]

hey guys,

i am going to be doing my evo head swap and 5 speed manual swap in the near future

does anyone have any suggestions on what block build would make the best outcome for these?

thanks

If I had to do it ALL over again.... I would build a 2.2 motor. This consists of a 4G64 block, bore .020 over with a 94mm stroke crank (K1--Wiseco sells them) or from Magnus Motorsport with the proper connecting rod and piston made for that setup. Magnus sells a whole kit with everything, wiseco sells the crank and pistons and I believe manley makes the correct length rod. This motor will make a little more torque and be more friendly to street drive in terms of less lag than the 4G63 EVO motor yet still have the ability to rev to 9,000 RPMs and pull big power on the top end which the 2.4 motor lacks.

[Gtorque]

would a gt35r precision turbo be a good choice to put on that set up? or can i go t4?

[polishmafia]

Why go with such a big turbo? Are you wanting to hit 500whp? A b16g with supporting mods and a GOOD tune can hit 400whp easy.

[Stewi]

Why go with such a big turbo? Are you wanting to hit 500whp? A b16g with supporting mods and a GOOD tune can hit 400whp easy.

yes it can, working at 100% capacity, flatlining the powerband up top and being very inefficient.

The 35R is fad thats on its way out. The new "in" turbo is the Precision HP6262 SP-B. This turbo uses their new billet compressor wheel technology, is more efficient than a 35R and makes as much if not more power than a 35R HTA.

Precision also offers a 6057 or 6062 turbo that is available with the billet wheel. For the 6262 I would only suggest the ball bearing version which is what I posted about (-B) the 6057 you can get away with going non-ball bearing and still have respectable spool up because its a little smaller. The 6262 is a BIG turbo. Its capable of making 800whp on race gas. Its also capable of making over 500whp on pump gas (ONLY GAS NO METH, F'IN CHEATERS and a solid tune. Not many turbo's can make this claim on a T3 turbine housing at this price range. There are 8 second EVO's running this turbo. The 6057 is probably good for around 400-450whp on pump and close to 600whp on race gas.

Your turbo choice should weigh heavily on what your doing with the car. For a street car thats primarily daily driven and race occasionally or just for fun, I would go with the smaller turbo like the 6057 or even the tried and true precision SC6152 (this is what I run) The HP6057 and the SC6152 can each be had brand new for under $850. The 6262 is around $1300.

[qnz]

you dont find the 6152 too big for the street Brian?

[Stewi]

you dont find the 6152 too big for the street Brian?

Not really. I am driving around on a basemap we built in 15 minutes in my driveway and then did about 10 minutes of highway pulls and thats it. My AFR's are around 10.7 to 11.0 and I can spool the turbo in 3rd gear at about 3500-3800 to 15psi. Thats how an EVO spools from the factory. When im on the highway cruising in 5th if I wanna pass someone, I just give it throttle, no need to even downshift it. The thing is too my turbo isnt ball bearing, if it was, it would spool even quicker. I prefer a little more lag if I could to have more time to pedal it to get traction for racing.

[therev]

This info helped me learn alot! thanks Stewi, i know this isnt my thread but props to you for def. knowing your shit, good work bro

~Gabe

[duh2150]

im not sure your tranny can do 9000 rpms or even 8000

[sponcar]

its sound good but stewi is that ure daily car..?!???! cuz if u gonna build a turbo engine for a car that u will not use as a daily car its cool the idea to reach over than 400 or 500whp so how many hp and whp have ur car..!?!?

[Gtorque]

thanks you for all the information stewi!! my goal is to get around 650hp or more once my build is done.. i know i def want a good ball bearing T4 turbo with my 2.2 stroker. which turbo do u suggest?

[Gtorque]

where can i find the Precision HP6262 SP-B? i searched and it shows nothing..

whats the cost of these things lol?

[platano]

thanks you for all the information stewi!! my goal is to get around 650hp or more once my build is done.. i know i def want a good ball bearing T4 turbo with my 2.2 stroker. which turbo do u suggest?

u know me bro, and i don't usually say nothing, but i'm looking at this whole thing now. I think your latest decision to go 5-speed is a step in the right direction.

But i do have a concern about the motor build. I think that u aiming for 650whp on a FWD galant is overkill. By this i mean there is a fine line between power/efficiency. You know what i mean. I mean it's your money, but if i can advise you on overall automotive reliability/financial drain...i would definitely say that 400WHP(not BHP) is more than good enough to throw that 8G up and down the street fast as motherfuck, and hurt a couple 350Z driver's feelings in the process. I know you want crazy HP numbers but just rememebr that u dont need an insane Turbo setup to have fun bro. Its all about the right gear ratios and tunning tunning tunning. I been in ur car before and its already pretty damn fast to begin with. If 650WHP is your goal, then so be it. But just remember that 350-400WHP is still a considerable amount of juice to have in an 8G and still be reliable, on pump gas.

[4-G-rim]

thanks you for all the information stewi!! my goal is to get around 650hp or more once my build is done.. i know i def want a good ball bearing T4 turbo with my 2.2 stroker. which turbo do u suggest?

650hp on a FWD off line is gonna be fun to get traction...but would be a nasty highway killer though. I agree with Platano though, its a bit overkill for a FWD setup..but there are ways to get traction though.

[Gtorque]

^ok but what if i do the AWD swap lol!

[Stewi]

If your looking for big power on pump gas go with the 6262-sp. It can be purchased from Nolimitmotorsport.com If you call, speak with Chris and tell him Brian referred you. Nobody will beat their price and shipping is free.

650whp FWD is a bit overkill, I think your better off building the motor to be able to handle 700whp but when you first tune it, start low with like 16psi and pump that should yield around 400whp-450whp and see how it feels, you can always just turn up the boost and re-tune it to get where you want to be power wise.

And again you DONT want a full T4 unless your building a track only car.

My car is not my daily driver because I have a company car for that. If I really spent the time tuning the car and going thru all the little stuff I could daily drive it, but it wouldnt be fun to daily drive it, once you get around 500whp you start to cross that line of reliability.

[Gtorque]

^ alright so going the 2.2 route on a 6262-sp turbo would be a better outcome then keeping the 2.4l.

can i gain more off it?

and the 6262-sp is a t3 correct

[Stewi]

Correct on the turbo.

I dont know what you mean gain more? gain more power? maybe because you can rev a little higher it will be more USEABLE power.

[platano]

^ok but what if i do the AWD swap lol!

doooooo iiiiiiiiiiiit..

[blue8g]

can you do an awd/5 sp swap when keeping the 4g64 block, sorry i'm a newb when it comes to mitsus and awd/trans/engine swaps..

[Stewi]

can you do an awd/5 sp swap when keeping the 4g64 block, sorry i'm a newb when it comes to mitsus and awd/trans/engine swaps..

Do you mean leaving the stock 4G64 motor and going awd? It would work but the car would be a slug, more driveline loss due to the awd conversion with no added power from the engine.

If you mean does the 4G64 block physically bolt up to the awd trans, well the answer to that is yes as well.

[Boosted]

The only AWD donors would be an Evo or an Eclipse GSX. You can use the 3G transmission as long as it isn't for the V6. If you are running that transmission you can keep the 4G64 block.

[Stewi]

The only AWD donors would be an Evo or an Eclipse GSX. You can use the 3G transmission as long as it isn't for the V6. If you are running that transmission you can keep the 4G64 block.

No.

The only awd trans donor would be an EVO, the 2g GSX trans will not work for an 8g.

[Boosted]

I am not talking about the transmission when I said donors. I was talking about the rear end.

[blue8g]

alright i was talkin about the 4g64 block, but i will do the dohc swap and turbo it too, before i do the awd stuff

[Gtorque]

ok ok stupid question... is there anyway that a 3G eclipse tranny can work with an AWD set up.. or do i have to look for an evo one?

if i have the evo tranny the rear 2g GSX rear end would work with that?

can the evo 9 mr 6 speed work with are galants?

[Stewi]

ok ok stupid question... is there anyway that a 3G eclipse tranny can work with an AWD set up.. or do i have to look for an evo one?

if i have the evo tranny the rear 2g GSX rear end would work with that?

can the evo 9 mr 6 speed work with are galants?

6 speed EVO trannies are nightmares, even EVO guys hate them. They are weak, parts are hard to find and nobody really really rebuilts them right.

You cannot make a 3g tranny awd.

Also in terms of the rear end you should get a 2g AUTOMATIC GSX rear end, the manual rear end is not the same gear ratio as the EVO transfer case outputs so using anything else will lead to problems because the front wheels and rear wheels will spin at different speeds.

[Gtorque]

good to know man

so in order to do this swap i need the evo transfer case to right?

sorry... dont know to much about trannys

[ZigenScarface]

o boy..

[remarque]

You need the entire evo transmission. Like he said before you cant make the 3G transmission awd.

[Gtorque]

^ i know that... i was talking about the 2g GSX rear end

[Stewi]

Yes EVO transfer case