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keith6110

10-01-2009, 09:05 PM

i was checking out some new gm releases. i found an suv called the terrain from gmc... first of all id like to say our 3.0 litre's in the mitsubishi's have 195hp stock, 210hp stock gts 3g eclipse. The mitsubishi 2.4 litre engine is capable of 160hp stock.

for the terrain specs. 3.0 litre engine is capable of 264 hp. The other optional engine for this suv is a 4cyl 2.4L. hmm.. coincidence? lol. Either way, this 2.4L engine is capable of 182hp stock.. weird right?

must be something more high flow about the intake or something about the exhaust, either way looks like some research should be done with this new engine coming out from GM.

let me know what you guys think...

Ahh forgot to post the link to the proof... http://www.gmc.com/terrain/terrain/specsEngine.jsp

polishmafia

10-01-2009, 09:28 PM

Coincidence? Maybe, but I highly doubt it. I'm not going to google. You brought it up, you figure it out.

Find the engine codes, find pics, find specs.

Intake and exhaust isn't going to dramatically change an engine's BHP. There are (a shit ton of other factors that I'm not going to list) that make the difference.

polishmafia

10-01-2009, 09:31 PM

Anyhoo, I did google and found some answers. Let us know what you find. :)

keith6110

10-01-2009, 09:33 PM

yea i knew this ^^^ just wanted to mention it in the forums to get peoples opinions and see what they think. im curious though, will probably be more information on it when its been out for awhile. thanks for the post.

Ruslik

10-01-2009, 09:37 PM

is it DOHC my girl got new honda accord coupe and its 2.4 DOHC that pumps out 190 ponies

keith6110

10-01-2009, 09:41 PM

is it DOHC my girl got new honda accord coupe and its 2.4 DOHC that pumps out 190 ponies

well holly crap^^^ lol

10-01-2009, 10:03 PM

vtak + mivec = GM

beam514

10-01-2009, 10:14 PM

There are soooo many factors that probably contribute to the increased amount of HP. Everything from engine efficiency, stock tune, intake design, exhaust design, variable valve timing, etc.

actually now that I think about it, I'm not even really sure what the question/discussion is really about haha

keith6110

10-01-2009, 10:16 PM

keith6110

10-01-2009, 10:22 PM

well, looks like gm is using direct injection to make the motor more efficient. kinda cool.

read this, basically it says the motors more efficient and has a double pulse spark on cold starts for lower emissions.

http://green.autoblog.com/2009/04/08/new-york-2009-gmc-terrain-gets-all-di-engine-lineup/

has a cool little video on the link.

SPD_FRK

10-02-2009, 09:20 AM

Another thing to point out to you all is the V6 used in our models and the others is they are a 60* V6 block design, Pontiac, Chevy, Buick, Oldsmobile, and possibly others have used the same block for years.

Here is a website for the GM V6 stuff with tons of information;
http://www.60degreev6.com/

There are a ton of companies building some serious power from the Pontiac line of the V6 engines. One company I can personally vouch for on the innovation and power they are making is Intense Racing out of Ohio. I visited them a few years back when I was building my 1996 Grand Prix, before they moved into the new shop space and they certainly have things on their platforms figured out.;

http://www.intense-racing.com/

fuel

11-02-2009, 09:43 PM

Hang on I'm a bit confused - are you inferring that the 3.0 and the 2.4 in the GMC are Mitsubishi engines.. or are you just amazed that they can get more power out of those capacities over the Mitsubishi engines?

FYI, there's a 2.0L Mitsubishi engine which makes 200hp and it's non turbo, and there's a 3.0L Mitsubishi V6 which makes 270hp and it's non turbo - the funny thing is both of these engines have been around since 1995 or even earlier.

RedGalant2k1

11-02-2009, 09:59 PM

Are you trying to say that GM is using the 6G72 and 4G64?

fuel

11-02-2009, 11:06 PM

the more I re-read the first post the more I think he's just amazed they are getting more power out of the GM 3.0 V6 and 2.4 I4 than Mitsubishi is getting out of their 3.0 V6 and 2.4 I4's.

Mitsubishi made direct injection 3.0 V6s and 2.4 I4's as well, they made 240hp and 165hp respectively with no VVT.. and they've been around for over ten years now.

keith6110

11-03-2009, 06:19 AM

First off, good stuff spk frk

the more I re-read the first post the more I think he's just amazed they are getting more power out of the GM 3.0 V6 and 2.4 I4 than Mitsubishi is getting out of their 3.0 V6 and 2.4 I4's.

Mitsubishi made direct injection 3.0 V6s and 2.4 I4's as well, they made 240hp and 165hp respectively with no VVT.. and they've been around for over ten years now.

secondly, this is exactly what im pointing out fuel.. im like whaaaaat... how? lol i guess technology changes and the mitsubishi engines have been out for awhile.

Thanks for the info and input guys

es_fact

11-03-2009, 07:45 AM

Red_Line

11-03-2009, 05:32 PM

Wow are you really comparing engines that are over a decade apart in design?

Have you ever looked at how much horsepower huge V8s made back in the 60's and 70s? Try somewhere in the range of 175-220 horsepower

The 6g72 and 4g64 engines made totally reasonable horsepower for the year

fuel

11-03-2009, 05:57 PM

First off, good stuff spk frk

secondly, this is exactly what im pointing out fuel.. im like whaaaaat... how? lol i guess technology changes and the mitsubishi engines have been out for awhile.

Thanks for the info and input guys

As I said earlier Mitsubishi did make, in the EARLY-MID 90's, two V6 engines - one of which made 200hp from 2.0L of displacement, and another which made 270hp from 3.0L of displacement. Both were not turbo-charged, but did rely on variable valve lift (MIVEC) to achieve those numbers. These engines weren't one-offs, they were full production engines in the 1993-1996 Galant VX-R, Emeraude Super Touring R and Eterna Visage R for the 2.0L, and the 1995-1998 Diamante 30M and 30M-SE for the 3.0L.

Also adding to this, in 1989 Mitsubishi released an AMG Tuned version of the 6th Gen E33A Galant, which made 170hp from the 2.0 non-turbo 4G63 DOHC engine. And going even smaller in displacement, the 1.6L 4G92 MIVEC engine which has been around since 1992 and continued in production until 2002 made 165hp.

The technology has been here for decades - it's just these days manufacturers are more focused on delivering outstanding fuel economy, and more importantly lower emissions whilst trying to squeeze out as much power as they can without dramatically compromising on power output.

fuel

11-03-2009, 06:00 PM

Well, I just belive that why would mitsu waste all kinds of money to put 200 hp on a galant? lol

not to put our people down, but we're not interested in some sort of super platform. We just just like 10 sec grocery getters lol

This is possibly why mitsubishi decided to just go w/ the basics..

I think it was Mitsubishi America who only went with the basics, the rest of the world quite happily had 200+hp Galants.

For as long as Galants have been made since the late '60s, there has always been a performance version. Take the Galant VR-4 for instance, one of the most fastest sedans out of Japan spanning three generations.