Project BlackHeart

[SPD_FRK]

**This is an updated/compressed version of the original build thread**



March 2009-November 2009
In March of 2009 I purchased this vehicle from the original owner for $500 with 172,000 miles. There was a list of items needing replacement/repairs from the start. Those of you who have followed this build along the way have seen the transformation over the summer, and also seen the problems I have run into on different aspects of the build. As of November 2009 I have decided to pull the engine out and prepare for something entirely new over the winter months. As things progress I will update this build thread. If you have any questions about the build, just ask and I will answer them.


Below are pictures of the build as it progressed throughout 2009;

Condition of the vehicle when purchased. It has some body work to be done;
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/th_0513091242-00.jpg (http://s228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/?action=view&current=0513091242-00.jpg)http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/th_0402091804-01.jpg (http://s228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/?action=view&current=0402091804-01.jpg)http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/th_0402091804-00.jpg (http://s228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/?action=view&current=0402091804-00.jpg)http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/th_0406091249-00.jpg (http://s228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/?action=view&current=0406091249-00.jpg)

6G72 Engine Has to be gone through and cleaned up;
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/th_0329091403-00.jpg (http://s228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/?action=view&current=0329091403-00.jpg)http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/th_0406091253-01.jpg (http://s228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/?action=view&current=0406091253-01.jpg) http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/th_0406091253-00.jpg (http://s228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/?action=view&current=0406091253-00.jpg)


Starting the tear down and replacement/upgrade of parts on the engine;
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/th_0407091810-00.jpg (http://s228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/?action=view&current=0407091810-00.jpg)http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/th_0417091844-00.jpg (http://s228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/?action=view&current=0417091844-00.jpg)http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/th_0509091457-00.jpg (http://s228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/?action=view&current=0509091457-00.jpg)http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/th_0416091327-00.jpg (http://s228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/?action=view&current=0416091327-00.jpg)
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/th_0530091402-00.jpg (http://s228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/?action=view&current=0530091402-00.jpg)http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/th_0601091312-02.jpg (http://s228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/?action=view&current=0601091312-02.jpg)http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/th_0711091231-00.jpg (http://s228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/?action=view&current=0711091231-00.jpg)http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/th_DSC_0100.jpg (http://s228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/?action=view&current=DSC_0100.jpg)


Brakes, Wheels, and Suspenion Upgraded;
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/th_0813091228-00.jpg (http://s228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/?action=view&current=0813091228-00.jpg)http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/th_0722091400-00.jpg (http://s228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/?action=view&current=0722091400-00.jpg)http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/th_0724091934-00.jpg (http://s228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/?action=view&current=0724091934-00.jpg)http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/th_0727091242-00.jpg (http://s228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/?action=view&current=0727091242-00.jpg)
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/th_DSC_0007.jpg (http://s228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/?action=view&current=DSC_0007.jpg)http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/th_DSC_0003.jpg (http://s228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/?action=view&current=DSC_0003.jpg)http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/th_DSC_0028.jpg (http://s228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/?action=view&current=DSC_0028.jpg)http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/th_DSC_0018.jpg (http://s228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/?action=view&current=DSC_0018.jpg)



Exterior Changes;
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/th_DSC_0177.jpg (http://s228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/?action=view&current=DSC_0177.jpg)http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/th_DSC_0254.jpg (http://s228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/?action=view&current=DSC_0254.jpg)http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/th_DSC_0016.jpg (http://s228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/?action=view&current=DSC_0016.jpg)

[johnygezony]

I think a chrome all you need to do is a chrome exhaust tip and call it a day. Looks nice, you can pull those altezzas off nicely

[M-Rod]

Nice job so far. I've been keeping track of your progress since day 1, and look forward to seeing where this goes.

[stvn_mj]

So the 3.5 swap is on the way huh? Im looking for a v6 as well but I dont want to spend a bunch on the car itself since I would also like to do the 3.5 swap.

[M-Rod]

So the 3.5 swap is on the way huh? Im looking for a v6 as well but I dont want to spend a bunch on the car itself since I would also like to do the 3.5 swap.

Finding a V6 Galant with a broken timing belt would be the ideal in that situation. They are dirt cheap.

[SPD_FRK]

So the 3.5 swap is on the way huh? Im looking for a v6 as well but I dont want to spend a bunch on the car itself since I would also like to do the 3.5 swap.
No, the 3.5 swap isnt on the way...but something else is

[stvn_mj]

Finding a V6 Galant with a broken timing belt would be the ideal in that situation. They are dirt cheap.
Your right and thats what I am looking for but the cheapest I have found is a high mileage v6 but they want a little over 2k for it. I would like to stay under 1k for that. I'll just keep my eyes open for any deals. I will also keep up on this build since it has been useful info spd_frk.

[M-Rod]

No, the 3.5 swap isnt on the way...but something else is

Hmm.... I really wonder what that could be.

[showtime]

5 speed or turbo?

[SPD_FRK]

Hmm.... I really wonder what that could be.


5 speed or turbo?

Thats part of it :clay:

[blue8g]

hmmm my interest is piqued.........even though i've got a 4g64

[stvn_mj]

Makes me wonder too. We need to know asap.

[IVORY_G]

You've been hanging around Ivory8g too long, you've become a TEASE!!! LMAO!

[SPD_FRK]

Makes me wonder too. We need to know asap.


You've been hanging around Ivory8g too long, you've become a TEASE!!! LMAO!

:spinner::spinner::spinner:

:spinner: :spinner: :spinner: :spinner: :spinner: :spinner: :spinner: :spinner:

^ That is all the hint you are getting for now...and yes it is a valid hint hehehe


Marc (Ivory8g) knows what the story is, but that's all who knows right now. Once I get progress started and stuff showing up I will post more details.

[Ivory8g]

Haha will! Teasing is more fun than just spilling right away!

[IVORY_G]

Haha will! Teasing is more fun than just spilling right away!

LOL! Tease!

[stvn_mj]

Boo! Only girls tease. lol So if you dont want to be a girl tell us. Btw that hint did not help me much.

[blue8g]

built 6g72 twin turbo

[Ivory8g]

Lmao I just got the hint. It totally is a legit hint

[blue8g]

wait i just got the hint 38" spinners

[SPD_FRK]

wait i just got the hint 38" spinners
LOL....gawd no...no spins on this ride man

[SPD_FRK]

Another teaser/Hint...
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/DSCN3051.jpg

[beam514]

. yummy.

[4g63lover]

hmmm... I wonder what is up your sleeve? I see two 6G74 rods and pistons and one 6G72....

The car has come along way bro. You brought it back from the dead!

[SPD_FRK]

hmmm... I wonder what is up your sleeve? I see two 6G74 rods and pistons and one 6G72....


Are you sure about that one Jigz?

:roll:

[4g63lover]

Are you sure about that one Jigz?

:roll:

I'm going with the stamping on the rods. lol So I MIGHT be wrong. lol

[SPD_FRK]

I'm going with the stamping on the rods. lol So I MIGHT be wrong. lol
That's the tricky part...but you are right, though there was a design change made on the rods for this. I will say the rods in the center are the ones being used though

[4g63lover]

hmmmmm....

[beam514]

well they do look quite a deal larger than the other 74 rods

[M-Rod]

I really wonder what that center one could be from. Probably not a Diamante. It even looks like it uses a larger crankshaft as well. Could the Montero 6G74 have differences, and that's where this is from? I am extremely interested in seeing what is going on here.

[Ivory8g]

*mysterious laugh* muahahaha....

[mysticj]

Mmmmmm...something big...Damn I think you beat me to it...

[csj]

I'm thinking a very modified 3.8L 6G75 with at least one turbo, 5-speed swap, and maybe AWD to top it off.

[SPD_FRK]

I really wonder what that center one could be from. Probably not a Diamante. It even looks like it uses a larger crankshaft as well. Could the Montero 6G74 have differences, and that's where this is from? I am extremely interested in seeing what is going on here.
The rod/piston combo in the center is from a 3.5L engine such as the Diamante or Montero. The one on the far right looks to be a different size, but the rod journals are identical between the "regular" 74 rods and the thinner one on the right...the one on the right just has the bearing still in place.


I'm thinking a very modified 3.8L 6G75 with at least one turbo, 5-speed swap, and maybe AWD to top it off.
Well you got it figured out, just take off the AWD portion...I am not about to take up that modification lol.

Turbo is a "possible" but as of right now it will be getting a full tear down and rebuild for N/a with some serious parts installed. The only reason I would likely stay N/a is for the throttle response, and less expense on top of such a build like this.

[SPD_FRK]

Mmmmmm...something big...Damn I think you beat me to it...
Idk if I "beat you to it" yet, it wont be done until Spring time I would imagine. Already have a few of the current 72/74 parts sold that I didn't need, and once I can get the old engine and trans out then I will spend a lot of time within the engine bay cleaning up wiring and stuff.

The engine build will be a complete tear down, rebuild with forged pistons, swapping out for the 74 rods, set of cams and valve springs, balancing...pretty much a built block.

[mysticj]

I was thinking either a non-mivec 6G75 or Hyundai/Kia 3.5L...Currectly, I'm searching for a 98-02 Diamante for a 6G75 swap.

[SPD_FRK]

I was thinking either a non-mivec 6G75 or Hyundai/Kia 3.5L...Currectly, I'm searching for a 98-02 Diamante for a 6G75 swap.
I was thinking about doing the MIVEC 75, but after more consideration I am just sticking to the non-mivec 75.

[mysticj]

I was thinking about doing the MIVEC 75, but after more consideration I am just sticking to the non-mivec 75.

The main difference are the cam profiles and compression ratio, everything else is pretty much the same. The good part is you can keep the dizzy if you like and swap the 3.0L valve covers, and everyone will think it's a 6g72.

[SPD_FRK]

The main difference are the cam profiles and compression ratio, everything else is pretty much the same. The good part is you can keep the dizzy if you like and swap the 3.0L valve covers, and everyone will think it's a 6g72.
You can run the distributor on the mivec though too :thumb:

The cam profile is one of the "big" changes going into the motor, I just didn't want to mess around with the mivec stuff since they are still trying to get it all figured out to work correctly and not screw stuff up badly.

[Ivory8g]

Bout time someone guessed it :p

[SPD_FRK]

Bout time someone guessed it :p
Yea, thought for sure they would have got it rather quickly. I found a killer deal on a set of 74 rods so I picked those up right away.

[SPD_FRK]

Thanks go to mysticj for this information that he posted on Club3g. This is the flow chart for the non-mivec 75 heads. Compared to a heavily modified 74 head, the STOCK 75 heads still out-flowed them significantly;

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/Flow.jpg


Those stage 3 cams should certainly make a great combination with these heads

[Ivory8g]

MMMmm stroker ftw!

[mysticj]

Thanks Matt! I would like to thank the Aussie guys, they are putting down 225-250whp with just I/H/E, and even more when they swap the 6G75 into a Diamante/Magna.

[SPD_FRK]

Thanks Matt! I would like to thank the Aussie guys, they are putting down 225-250whp with just I/H/E, and even more when they swap the 6G75 into a Diamante/Magna.
No sense in keeping the good stuff hidden IMO. Figure I may as well share all the information I come across so others here can start building some good machines on the platform. We have a few members who have taken up the 74 swap, but I know people are always looking to acheive more. Everything in this build is getting directed towards that and with a budget in mind so people are "scared away" by a huge price tag.

[SPD_FRK]

And so it begins...


I only had a little time after work tonight to work on it. So far all the hoses are and wiring is disconnected, radiator and headlghts are removed. I will be hitting it again tomorrow most of the day and should hopefully have it all out and sitting on a pallet.


Anyways....the beginning of a new build starts here;
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/DSC_0048.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/DSC_0051.jpg

[Ivory8g]

and so it was written...

[beam514]

ah, looks strangely familiar :)

[M-Rod]

Badass! The moment I've been waiting for ever since you started digging into your engine the first time.

[SPD_FRK]

Badass! The moment I've been waiting for ever since you started digging into your engine the first time.
Thanks man, means a lot to me that others are watching and learning from what I am doing...makes for good motivation too ;)

[Ivory8g]

It's a good feeling huh? :)

[tjones156]

Your build is quite an inspiration. Its looking great! Good luck to you on the rest of it:thumb:

[SPD_FRK]

The heart has been removed;
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/DSC_0057.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/DSC_0059.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/DSC_0058.jpg

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/DSC_0060.jpg


Everything went extremely quick and easy for what I was expecting. The whole process took me maybe about an hour. I had a slight issue with getting the driver side axle to come out of the transmission, but I eventually "convinced it" to lol.

[sponcar]

Wow u make it looks so easy.!!

[mysticj]

So are you keeping the 4 speed auto or going 5 speed(auto/manual)?

[SPD_FRK]

So are you keeping the 4 speed auto or going 5 speed(auto/manual)?
The 4 spd is becoming a boat anchor LOL. Yea I am swapping out for a 5spd as well

[beam514]

damn you didn't remove the axles from the hubs? That was one of the hardest parts for me!

ps: did you find a 5 speed yet since I was a faster ninja than you and picked up that one from jet black? ;)

[Ivory8g]

Ding dong the witch is dead!!! Lol lemmie know when we are gonna start your 5 spd swap sir!

[Ivory8g]

*steals cf hood off Blackheart*

[SPD_FRK]

damn you didn't remove the axles from the hubs? That was one of the hardest parts for me!

ps: did you find a 5 speed yet since I was a faster ninja than you and picked up that one from jet black? ;)
I thought about doing it that way, but I decided to just go straight to the trans area to make removal quick and simple.

No 5spd yet...it will be a while before that is bought even. I am focusing on getting the engine bay all cleaned up and organized nicely, get the brake system completely done, wheel issue resolved, install the 5spd shifter...pretty much the car will be sitting on jack stands for a while so I can go at the whole car.


Stupid ninjas....lol



*steals cf hood off Blackheart*
Ha...no way the car is sitting under a security camera and will be locked away upstairs under more of the security stuff lol

[mysticj]

The five speed I was referring to is the F5A51-2 from the XG350 but it will more of a headache with the electronics(Dual ecu, 3G sportronic shifter, wiring, etc).

[SPD_FRK]

I am just going to run a 3g tranny. Keeping that aspect as simplfied as I can.

[Ivory8g]

im a ninja. lol

[SPD_FRK]

Well I spent a couple hours working on the car today. My goal was to get the 5spd shifter and cables installed, but I went about this a little differently than most have. Since I have already removed the majority of the A/c system I decided to take out the rest from inside. I removed the entire lower dash, center counsel, and lower portion of the heater core assembly. Now, this was by no means "easy" as it involved taking a part the center dash "frame" which holds the HVAC controls and radio, and a little assistance from a long pry bar, what I wanted out finally did.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/DSC_0001.jpg

This allowed much easier access to the shifter cable plate bolts on the firewall, but again this was not easy by any means. The hole to the right is from the A/c system which hooked up to the lines in the engine bay. I will fabricate a plate to cover the hole so there is nothing to worry about with that.
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/DSC_0003-1.jpg

Everything which has been removed, some will be placed back into the car while other parts will be tossed out. Oh, and yea...a new cabin filter is being put in lol
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/DSC_0004.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/DSC_0005-1.jpg

5spd shifter and cables installed. The spring action (side to side movement) is a little stiff when you let go so I greased the bolt, and placed a smaller washer onto the facing sides of the spring assembly which improved it quite a bit. There was a small plate between the cover plate(?) and shifter bracket that held the shifter into the assembly which caused about an 1/8" gap between the ball and the plastic housing. I wasn't happy with the "sloppy" feel because you could feel that little extra movement, so the plate had been removed and it is a nice smooth feeling when moving the shifter around.
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/DSC_0007-1.jpg


Before I left for the day I adjusted the camber on the front wheels so it is all the way in, it didn't make any rediculous adjustment, but a noticeable improvement
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/DSC_0010-2.jpg

[Ivory8g]

Fender roller. Problem solved.

[IVORY_G]

Nice, good progress :)

[sponcar]

Damn ur going so fast.. Btw I like ure dash color =D
hey do u have ure 5speed transmission already??

[blue8g]

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/HD-SPDFRK/Galant/DSC_0001.jpg

this pic is awesome

[Ivory8g]

The dash is the stock color guys lol

[blue8g]

^lol i'm just talking about the shot itself....for whatever reason the lighting of it just makes it amazing

[Ivory8g]

I was really responding to sponcars comment

[johnygezony]

Your just tearing into it ! nice work, cant wait for the final before and after pics (if you will ever truly be done)

[beam514]

nice work. I'm assuming it wasn't so hard to put the shafter cables in since all that shit was out of the way haha

[SPD_FRK]

Damn ur going so fast.. Btw I like ure dash color =D
hey do u have ure 5speed transmission already??
I don't have the 5spd or engine yet. I am spending a while getting some things installed/removed/clean up before anything will be dropped in even.


Your just tearing into it ! nice work, cant wait for the final before and after pics (if you will ever truly be done)
I like tearing crap apart lol. I can't wait to just drive the damn thing haha, I don't honestly know if it will ever be "done."


nice work. I'm assuming it wasn't so hard to put the shafter cables in since all that shit was out of the way haha
It was straight forward access to those bolts once I tore the other stuff out. I was sitting in the car for like 10 minutes just "shifting through gears"...I found it amusing atleast LOL.


Blue, thanks for the comment on the photo. I haven't really touched my DSLR for a while now but I am getting the hang of it a little more now.

[4g63lover]

Looks good Matt. I wasn't brave enough to remove the dash frame. But if I was it would've made my whole shift cable ordeal easier. lol.

Good job bro, can't wait 'til that thing is done.

[SPD_FRK]

Looks good Matt. I wasn't brave enough to remove the dash frame. But if I was it would've made my whole shift cable ordeal easier. lol.

Good job bro, can't wait 'til that thing is done.
I was trying to get to those two bolts like you did, but it didn't work so well. The left bolt was easy to get a flex head ratcheting wrench onto, but just no room whatsoever for any wrench or socket to fit on the right side one.

After I started taking out the rest of the stuff and finding more components to be removed, the work and time spent was paying off. I am going to be able to clean up the wiring in that center section a bit more now.

[4g63lover]

yeah, I just didnt want to fuck things up. That whole behind the dash are for any car is still unconquered territory for me.

[sponcar]

The dash is the stock color guys lol

I don't knw bro but seem Like a black dash to me..!!
well I thought it was painted it because mine is beige..!

[SPD_FRK]

I don't knw bro but seem Like a black dash to me..!!
well I thought it was painted it because mine is beige..!
The interior is the OEM Medium Gray color.

[IVORY_G]

A Black upper dash would look good! And since you've already got it apart it'd be alot easier.

[SPD_FRK]

I like the gray color though, still has a little "class" on the interior which is a 180* look from the exterior that I am going for.

[johnygezony]

^Yeah !

[SPD_FRK]

*edit

[M-Rod]

There are two rods that had a different stamping than the others, have to research a bit more to see if there are any differences between them or not. Nothing visible that I have found besides the markings. 4 of the rods are stamped with a "U" and two are stamped with a "T";

Awesome! I'm glad to see you got these now. As far as the casting, I'll take a look at mine and see what I come up with.

[SPD_FRK]

Awesome! I'm glad to see you got these now. As far as the casting, I'll take a look at mine and see what I come up with.
Yea, let me know what is on yours. I know BJ's had a "J" stamped on his. I doubt there is any difference in the rods because they are likely a manufacture date/code

[stvn_mj]

The ones with the U are useless and the ones with the T are for you to go turbo. lol I dunno but looks like your gonna do this build right.

[M-Rod]

Yea, let me know what is on yours. I know BJ's had a "J" stamped on his. I doubt there is any difference in the rods because they are likely a manufacture date/code

I just checked my rods and one side of the engine has the rod castings "F"-"E"-"F", and the other side "E"-"E"-"F"

EDIT: Added quote

[SPD_FRK]

I would bet it is a manufacture date than. I know when I worked for Toro (yes I made mowers for a couple years lol), we had letter stampings which was a year reference. No worries though, parts are slowly being collected so eventually I will get it built lol

[M-Rod]

It must be. Possibly progressing through the alphabet as the years went on maybe?

[HungarianHunter]

Damn, our cars would look soooo much sexier with black dash!!

[Ivory8g]

yeah they are totally date stampings i remember on c3g people were talking about this and thats what they came up with. they are the exact same except for those letters. woohoo dude! Built engine ftw!

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[Ivory8g]

Mmmm..... Twins!

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Mmmm..... Twins!
The possiibility sounds great, and the noise from these turbos will make the car sound like a damn freight train going down the road lol. I won't know for sure until I get the engine mounted in the car for mock up if I can squeeze the turbo into the rear bank area or not...but we will see.

[Ivory8g]

Dude I wish i could get one of your guys compressor housings to fit my 6052!!!! Dude you might have to go with a smaller turbo for the rear bank. Hmmm the turbo might fit but my worry is the pipe routing bro. Nothing is impossible with a good plan and time and money of course. Gawd your car seriously is going to sound like a semi just while cruising WTF.

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[Ivory8g]

Oh my turbo flows 50 more cfm than the s200. Gawd I
Ma have to see it to know for sure just like you said on the clearance of the twins

[johnygezony]

Brilliant !

[Ivory8g]

Bump on a project thread? O_o

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Bump on a project thread? O_o
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I sure hope that bump is worth $1000 lol

[blue8g]

lol what i mean is any progress?

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[johnygezony]

when your done, the first time you turn it one it will turn into a transformer and eat you.

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[Ivory8g]

my car will transform and kick evil blackhearts arse!

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my car will transform and kick evil blackhearts arse!
LOL....its going to be a Deceptacon/Autobots war up in here

Your car wins all the time...for now :icon_twisted:

[johnygezony]

LOL I think when all is finished you should have a photoshot and its title should be Autobots/Deceptacons

[Ivory8g]

or light vs dark ^_^

oh just you wait Matt!

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[kglenn]

light versus dark we win Ivory!!HAhAha your twin sis will be there within a week baby!!

[johnygezony]

little update, not going with a twin setup...just won't work efficiently. I did some sifting through some other turbo builds to see what a/r folks were using. I found an .82 a/r turbine housing wasn't seeing spool up until about 4000rpms, the turbo i am running has a .76 a/r...so doing a set of twins like this these would likely not spool up until much later in the rpm range (read not dd friendly).

I am sticking to the same turbo choice, but only running one of these. Even at 15psi of boost the turbo will run from 3000-6000rpms (even up to 6500rpms its at 72%), straight through the 80% efficiency of the compressor map. I should see a spool up time around 3500-3800rpms i believe which is still somewhat dd friendly but will also be capable at the strip.

I called today to get my 6g75 pulled from the car it is sitting in, and should hopefully have it picked up and shipped back to me here sometime next week...then the fun begins!

zomg zomg zomg !

[Ivory8g]

light versus dark we win Ivory!!HAhAha your twin sis will be there within a week baby!!

haha your car will slow mine down! LMAO J/K bro!

Matt: awesome! as I said. Thursday bro! What size downpipe are you doing? you have to do 3! are you doing a custom tubular or are you using those cast manifolds? i think you can get that spool down to 3k for sure

[kglenn]

Hahah very funny smartass. give me a while and it wont XD!! the only thing I got going for me Is mines loud as Shit!!

[beam514]

That's awesome Matt! Have you located a 5-speed yet? I know Shinestreet3G or something was parting out his GT 5-speed on C3G

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[beam514]

yea I told him to PM you LOL. I dunno if that was before or after but I like to think that I helped... haha

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[WhiteGalant]

So you should just be able to plug those up and it will take care of the Solenoid codes? All that would leave would be the TC sensor. Right?

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[Ivory8g]

HMMM!!!! Ivory....test subject!

[4g63lover]

OMGoodness. You are awesome Matt!!! This will definitely move 02-03 guys into the right direction.

I do have one question though, let's say I have a full 5-speed set-up from a 99-00 including the 99-00 ECU and harness, technically if I swap all of it over to an 02-03 it will not throw codes right?

[beam514]

good news and nice work Matt

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[02galant]

Keep us posted on the 5 Speed hack, if that works then there was a reason i have held onto this auto tranny for the last 2 years hoping something would come of it. Awesome find Matt!!

[4g63lover]

Exactly!


Don't forget this will be for the 01-03 guys who have the code issue. The only thing we have to do is cross check the pin out from the 01-03 ECUs and compare to our 99-00 ECUs. I believe there are some pins that need to either be moved or added for us (99-00 folks) to swap into the 01+ ECUs but nothing serious. I know the one major change is the additional O2 sensors that the ECU reads, but from reading on Club3G it sounds like you can tap into the 99-00s existing pre cat, and after cat O2 sensors so the ECU will read "4" instead of missing 2. FSM 13A-417-I for 4cyl, and 13B-499-I for V6 have the ECU pinouts to check, but it seems pretty straight forward.


This is where I'm lost, why would I need to move pins and what not if I have the WHOLE ECU and Harness from the 99-00? Just for the sake of No code for the 5-speed swap, not for tuning reasons.

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[4g63lover]

If you have the 99-00 ECU and harness then yea, no codes...all you are doing is ripping the old stuff out and putting in the 99-00...but why?

The problem with this though is you are basically taking "two steps back" in any build progress, or growth capabilities later. If you are a 99-00 Galant, you will not have any codes from doing the 5spd swap, great...but you have no EcuFlash option. If you are a 01-03 Galant 5spd swapped, there will be the 5 solenoid codes thrown, but you are able to flash and tune with EcuFlash.

The 99-00 ECUs are really just "limited" and they really aren't worth swapping over to if you are a 01+ Galant. If what I have found works to resolve the codes from being thrown then we eliminate a common issue for the 01+ ECU and 5spd swapped drivers.

Yeah that does suck. But you could always go piggyback. I know it's more money but it's the easy way to do it IMO. As soon as I graduate, I will start colelcting turbo parts and most likely an EMU. Then Once, I swap the motor, it's full EVO IX ECU and harness time!

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[4g63lover]

You can spend the $200+ for a piggyback unit...but I wouldn't say it's easier than swapping the ECU to an 01+. For the 4cyl like you have though the Evo ECU swap has been discussed in great detail to be the "best" option so you can monitor knock. You can swap to the M/T 3rd gen Eclipse ECU and flash the Evo ROM to read above 100%, but no knock monitoring. The Evo ECU is likely the best choice still for those who have a boosted 4cyl though because it will monitor knock and read above 100%.

If you want to do a full harness and Evo ECU, don't waste your money on any piggyback...everything can be done within that ECU and save you a few hundred dollars in the process.

Ah. You're right that makes more sense. EVO ECU and custom harness while it's on the 4G64 Single slammer, then just swap the harness once I'm ready to go 4G63.

or

I could just do the 4G63 swap after I graduate and just drive the 4G64 'til it dies. Though I am planning on getting another G sometime in the future and 5-speed swap it for a DD and I really want an 02 which is why I want to just swap the 99-00 harness and ECU since it wont be heavily modified to need tuning.

[Galantman03]

just kinda curious if you have had time to dig deeper into the 02-03 5 speed swapage hack...

[beam514]

plugging in the solenoids removed the codes:
http://www.galanttuners.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=690

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6g75 DELIVERED

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! I cant wait to see that beast

[mysticj]

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6g75 DELIVERED

Excellent :FIREdevil:

[Ivory8g]

*waiting to see it in person*

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*waiting to see it in person*
Big is one word to describe how it looks lol. The intake manifold looks pretty beefy as well, I have a few photos posted up later tonight

[Galantfan88]

Hoooooly shit, dude cant wait to see this project go.....deff get some pix up woooooooo

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[stvn_mj]

Damn that thing is huge. Is it in the car already? lol This will surely be a project to watch.

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[Ivory8g]

DAAAAYUM! that thing is HUGE!!

[IVORY_G]

DAAAAYUM! that thing is HUGE!!

Hehh! "THAT's WHAT SHEEE SAID!" LMAO!!!

Motor looks good so far, alot easier clean up for you than the last motor. If you could make the last motor look that good, I'm anxious to see how good you'll make this one look!
If you're ever in Cali, I'll pay you to clean mine that good! LOL!

[beam514]

definitely happy with the route I am going instead of a 74

... hate you.. LOL


jk jk

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... hate you.. LOL


jk jk
Hey your engine and car runs though right?

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[beam514]

I guess that's true...

If you take the ratio of (my hp)/(your hp), you don't get a real number because you can't divide by 0!! lmao

just kiddin bro hahaa. Your car is gonna be beastly soon enough

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[johnygezony]

I forsee you not even being satisfied with the result from the 6g75 now...he is probably gonna drop a 300 cu/in block in it :) jk

[Galantfan88]

Holy mother of God.....that shit is bigger than I thought.lol

[4g63lover]

I can NOT wait to see the results from this!

[mysticj]

Show all the naysayers that the distributor will bolt up on the rear head. I want dips on the injectors and coils!

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[mysticj]

You may be able to use the Diamante crossover water pipe for the dizzy 'issue'. The plenum is a similar casting as the Mivec one but the runners are different and longer.

PM sent.

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[mysticj]

Dude, I saw a XG IM for $25 on car-part. Oh yeah, you can use the 6g74 lower IM but I guess you figure that out already. LEGO!

[beam514]

is that the stock 6G72 manifold???

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[Galantfan88]

WOW everything bolted up smoothly??? Awesome job man, can wait to see it finished

[Jeffylou87]

That looks pretty!

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[Galant306m]

holy crap you get a motor and trans and two days later it is in the car! Come work on my shit.

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[Galant306m]

Looking good man, i have been following you from the beginning and your skills just amaze me. Keep going!

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[Galantfan88]

This is some good stuff man keep up the good work...im so excited

[IVORY_G]

Awesome work ethic bro, Thumbs up!

[Jeffylou87]

You amaze me

[Stewi]

I browsed thru and couldnt find my answer, is this going to be twin turbo or single turbo?

Nice work so far man, good luck, I know that from this point forward it only gets more complicated.

[Ivory8g]

I would say single with possibilities of a twin later on *nudge*

[johnygezony]

He has a picture of that big holset turbo, so im guessing single now

[mrg7243]

damn thing with twin turbos would sound like a semi great work awesome looking car what rims do you have??

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[mko]

so can you use the 6g72 flywheel, clutch and all that, or it has to be off 4g Eclipse. What about the manual tranny - 3g or 4g?

[beam514]

so can you use the 6g72 flywheel, clutch and all that, or it has to be off 4g Eclipse. What about the manual tranny - 3g or 4g?

the auto from the 8G bolts up -> therefore the 3G manual transmission bolts up
-> therefore 6G72 flywheel and clutch

as far as I'm aware..

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[Stewi]

Single turbo is definetly the way to go, especially on an engine with that much displacement, spooling it will be easy. What is your power goal for the car? Im guessing with that big engine and Borg Warner snail its going to be a drag car?

[johnygezony]

Oh my bad, i just remember you talking about holset. sorry

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[qnz]

I was reading about v6's ecu problem not being able to tune for boost. I know in ecu flash, you can edit the load table so that instead of 10, 20, 30... 100, you can make it go 20, 40, 60, 80 100, 120... 200. Has any of the V6 guys tried that?

Also, I seen that the the Evo guys are able to expand their maps to even larger resolution than normal. Not sure how its done, but if someone is able to figure it out, you could tune past 200 load. even 200 load is good for maybe 6 psi.

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[Jeffylou87]

Wow, you are speaking a different language..

[qnz]

Do you have an image of your Rom? I wanna see what a v6 map looks like

without looking at your rom, most fuel maps look the same for the first 3-4 load cells so you can remove them all together. Such as

40
60
80
100
120
140
160
180
200
220
240

and this would give you fair resolution, until someone figure outs how to get "big maps" onto the v6 rom

And I wouldnt exactly say 200 load = X psi. it also depends on how big your turbo is and your VE. I know on my car, when I hit 180 load, im at 10 psi on my t3 turbo.

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[qnz]

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa170/qnzaaron/HighLowOctane2.jpg

Check out the area I circled on the map you posted. That is 4 columns of identical fuel values which can be condensed to 1. If there is no 10, 20, 30 load, the ecu is going to use the next available known value, which is 40 load. Since the map for 40 load looks exactly the same as 10,20,30, you can cut out the un-nessary rows and add more resolution to your map. Most tuners on EvoM would tune this way before Tephra added "big maps" to his newest mod.

Conincidenally, if you run off your map, such as 290 load, the ecu is going to use its last known value which is 240 load and continue to use that.

In a nutshell, this is why people said you could boost to like 3 psi on the stock ecu withouht needing a piggy back. when in 3 psi, you would be around 120 load or so, which would look similar to 100 load.

do you have the rom off your actual car? do you know your rom ID number?

[4g63lover]

Wow, you are speaking a different language..

werd. I just got lost. lol

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[qnz]

what is it that you v6 guys want to do? flash the stock map or swap in a 3000gt vr4 ecu and flash that?

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[qnz]

so you guys are waiting for someone to figure out how to wire in a 3kgt rom into a v6?

[johnygezony]

this is so over my head its amazing

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[Galantfan88]

ahahahahahaaaa my head.lol

[johnygezony]

Don't sweat it man, this stuff was way beyond myself even for a while. I just started digging and reading more and more on the topic. I am still saving up money for more components on the build and doing what I can, but ultimately when the build is done all of this tuning stuff will resurface itself. I am just getting a big jump on it now to reduce the "work load" later

Cool beans

[qnz]

what is the difference in ignition systems? im asking a lot of questions but im just trying to help and see if I know some bits that your v6 guys are lacking.

[qnz]

as for adding bigger maps, I rememmber tephra saying this:


Steps required to make maps bigger:
a) identify map you want to make bigger
b) identify axis's of said maps
c) see if these axis's are used for any other maps
d) relocate axis's to new block of ROM
e) relocate said map(s) to new block(s) of ROM
It's not particularly hard, just time consuming, and a lot of checking required.
If anyone had a specific requirement/request I could do it fora small fee...


he said it should only take him an hour or so to do

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[qnz]

does being dohc matter? i am running the evo ecu and have sohc still. I dont recall having to change/fake anything for it to control my sohc engine

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[mysticj]

Matt, beat me to it...

The 6g7x DOHC and SOHC have different ignition systems, the 01+ Monteros have a DIS system like the 3kgt yet SOHC even the pinout is almost the same. The goal is to allow the distributor 6G7x ECU to understand and read boost for high load values.

[WhiteGalant]

Fuck me...

[qnz]

i see.

So ya, i guess your best bet is for someone to figure out how to get "big maps" onto the 2000 ecus. Does the 3kgt ecu have knock control? what about the v6 ecu?

Another reason why the Evo ecu is so popular becasue they come with knock control, launch control, lean spool and all these other useful turbo specific tools built into the rom already. I wonder if these can be added into the v6 rom..?

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[mysticj]

Hey Matt, try to compare the 3kgt rom with the 3G/8G rom, some of the hex codes maybe the same.

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[qnz]

Big Maps can be as big as you want it to be. However, to do it, you would need to find unused space on the rom big enough to hold a 25x30 or 30x30 resolution map for fuel and timing. I remember Tephra saying that a 30x30 map could be done, but would take up like 80% of resources on the rom. hehe.

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[IVORY_G]

Inform me when you're ready to start speaking "ENGLISH" on this thread again! K thx! LOL! Cant wait to see some Vids of your startup too.

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[Da_Prodigy]

uh oh wonder what it could :o

[Ivory8g]

I KNOW!!!! hope you get lucky Matt!

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[beam514]

There's a video on youtube that shows where to put the flathead screwdriver, though I think you got it figured out now.

And I forgot, but how different is the GTS 5-speed gearing?

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[Da_Prodigy]

better hope sum1 else doesn't come and take your engine after all the hard work you did to almost take it out

[OMEGA PHX]

Maybe you should have reserved the tranny, but you can't have such bad luck, Nice progress.

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[WhiteGalant]

Be careful with those 100$ junkyard transmissions. Mine lasted 1.5 months lol

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[IVORY_G]

Nice!

[Jeffylou87]

That's a steal.. Nice find..

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[M-Rod]

Great find Matt!

P.S. Nice Manifold ;)

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[johnygezony]

Lol no gasket !

[M-Rod]

Haha, I see that now from the pictures posted on GT. I can't believe the previous owner even painted the water pump red.

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[beam514]

ughhh look at those wires. Yuck. Damn electrical.... *stab myself in heart*

[RedGalant2k1]

The wiring is the easy part...lol.

[qnz]

lolz. All my ecu wires are black.

[Stewi]

I was just looking at the gear ratios you posted above and those are the same exact gears I have in my EVO trans. 1-5 are the same ratio stock on the EVO and im running the 4.11 final drive, the stock EVO final drive is smaller I think its around 4.53 or so.

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[IVORY_G]

It'd be sick if you had this done in time for MOD this year, would be killer!

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[IVORY_G]

Not sure it will be done before MOD, or if I will even get to go with the baby due here pretty soon.

Oh congrats! Well hopefully you'd at least be able to make it without ur car...

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[4g63lover]

JESUS! I would seriously draw the line here and hand it to someone who knows what theyre doing. That means, whenever the time comes that I need to do some ECU re-wiring, I'm shipping you my shit. Can't wait 'til you get this thing on the road bro.

[RedGalant2k1]

I'll be eagerly watching how the wiring comes out :D

[beam514]

JESUS! I would seriously draw the line here and hand it to someone who knows what theyre doing. That means, whenever the time comes that I need to do some ECU re-wiring, I'm shipping you my shit. Can't wait 'til you get this thing on the road bro.

LOL seriously. If only he were a weeeee bit closer, I could use his "help" (aka him doing all the work hahaha).

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[IVORY_G]

You can cover for me here at home with the baby and fiance then and I'll go in your place LOL.

LOL! I dont think MY Fiancee would like that much at all! LOL!

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