5 speed swap? [Archive] - The Galant Center

Kain

03-02-2003, 09:33 PM

Uhh, "tranny but not the gearbox" I'm fairly sure those are the same things.

You can snag most of what you need outta an Eclipse GST or a Galant 5 speed. Ideally you'd go the route of scavenging from an existing car, since you can get all of the little parts that you'll need. But, for everything else there's junkyards ('http://www.car-part.com'). And for the clutch, Get whatever one you want for a FWD Eclipse I've heard the ACT 2100 is one of the best for all around usage.

JiP

03-03-2003, 01:44 AM

Does the 5spd eclipse tranny bolt right up or does it need some modification to atatch?

Lazy

03-03-2003, 03:52 PM

Yea i found the transmission but i did not find the Gearbox, the gearbox meaning the actuall shifting stick and the housing.

Kain

03-03-2003, 04:21 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JiP)</div><div class='quotemain'>Does the 5spd eclipse tranny bolt right up or does it need some modification to atatch?</div>

Bolts right up. I mean, you have to swap from a flexplate to a flywheel, put in the clutch, disconnect the A/T wiring, Cooler lines, cooler, Run the extra cable for the Manual, put in the new pedal assembly etc. but yes, it physically bolts right up to the engine. The housing is the same as the Galant 5 speed's just slightly diffrent internals. Manybrews could probably tell you the diffrences, but they're not of critical importance. I think the Eclipse gearbox is slightly shorter than the Galant tranny. =better acceleration, but lower top speed.

krazienluv10

03-03-2003, 10:28 PM

can i go to a tranny shop and have them do this?? will this cost as much as rebuilding the tranny or getting a new on from da mitsu dealer?? https://www.thegalantcenter.org/style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif

asalem97

03-05-2003, 06:56 PM

hey i live in queens too. Wheres this junkyard youre talkin about? The only ones I know of are by shea stadium but there pretty annoyin.

JiP

03-06-2003, 01:51 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(asalem97)</div><div class='quotemain'>hey i live in queens too. Wheres this junkyard youre talkin about? The only ones I know of are by shea stadium but there pretty annoyin.</div>

anoying how?? I been looking for a good "rip it apart yourself" junkyard in nyc, know of any good ones?

Kain

03-06-2003, 08:43 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(krazienluv10)</div><div class='quotemain'>can i go to a tranny shop and have them do this?? will this cost as much as rebuilding the tranny or getting a new on from da mitsu dealer?? https://www.thegalantcenter.org/style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif</div>

Depends on the shop...most probably wouldn't. My shop did it twice, but for very long standing customers. (one manual to auto, one auto to manual https://www.thegalantcenter.org/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif ) A shadetree mechanic is the better bet. Cost will vary greatly depending on how thorough you want to be. Bare minimum is gonna be around $1500-$2000. Last I checked a new FWD automatic runs about $3000 from the factory not including labor. But, if you go all out in the 5 speed swap....you're talking $5k or so. But, you can get some of that back selling your old parts on ebay. especially if your old transmission still has some life in it.

4g64terror

03-08-2003, 01:15 AM

i paid 350!!! for everything i needed to go 5 speed...and have 78 pics to prove it lmao

seth98esT

03-08-2003, 01:18 AM

can i see all 78 pics? it would be greatly appreciated. I am going to try to get my gf an old vw bug convertible for graduation, then maybe she will let me have her 5spd tranny and head from her 93 laser :biggrin:

(crosses his fingers)

4g64terror

03-08-2003, 01:19 AM

nope has to be fomr a 2nd g

seth98esT

03-08-2003, 01:22 AM

thats what i thought, 2g turbo? nt = 420a? o well...

4g64terror

03-08-2003, 08:44 AM

yeah a 2g turbo because the thing is a 420A...or it can be from an eclipse spyder

JiP

03-08-2003, 03:30 PM

2g Turbo Eclipse got 4g63t
2g non turbos have 420a
Except the Spyder which got a 4g64

4g63 non turbos are in 1g's

4g64terror

03-08-2003, 07:18 PM

exactly

seth98esT

03-08-2003, 07:25 PM

so why wont a 1g tranny fit? both t and nt have 4g63s...

4g64terror

03-08-2003, 07:26 PM

i think mount locations and stuff are different...just put the two next to each other and see...thats the easiest way

JiP

03-08-2003, 07:35 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(seth)</div><div class='quotemain'>so why wont a 1g tranny fit? both t and nt have 4g63s...</div>

I think one was a 6 bolt one was 7? I dont really know but there were differences in the block. Why does a 2g crankwalk and a 1g less likely too?

4g64terror

03-08-2003, 07:37 PM

thrust tolerances for one..there are a few reasons

JiP

03-08-2003, 07:39 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(4g64terror)</div><div class='quotemain'>thrust tolerances for one..there are a few reasons</div>

Hehehe it was retorical question. Just trying to show that there are differences between the 1g and 2g block thats why the trannys wont swap, or swap easily.

seth98esT

03-09-2003, 09:15 PM

alright, just curious :biggrin: so u gonna show us those pics sometime 4g64terror? :wink:

4g64terror

03-09-2003, 09:17 PM

ive got em all on disc now just gotta figure out how to set em up in the pic galery

4g64terror

03-09-2003, 09:18 PM

or how to just post em on here

seth98esT

03-09-2003, 10:04 PM

go to www.imagestation.com, create an account and upload em all to an album, then give us the link to the album

4g64terror

03-09-2003, 10:21 PM

imagestation isnt finding my pics in the folder.any other ideas?

seth98esT

03-09-2003, 10:35 PM

:?: are they jpegs? imagestation does jpegs, gifs, avi, and mpegs...

4g64terror

03-09-2003, 10:42 PM

yeah they are jpegs but when i use the browser to look in that folder nothing shows up

seth98esT

03-09-2003, 10:46 PM

weird, you sure you in the right folder? i dont see how it wouldnt work...

are all the pics still on the cd? maybe it cant read from the cd...

4g64terror

03-09-2003, 10:49 PM

i figured it out adding captions now

seth98esT

03-11-2003, 05:23 PM

-=*Update*=- ?

4g64, did you do the swap yourself?

4g64terror

03-11-2003, 05:24 PM

yes i did..by the way i got it to work..ive but putting the rest of thecaptions on..im just about done...i need to figure out how to write a good step by step tutorial

seth98esT

03-11-2003, 05:37 PM

I think a parts list would be helpful also...I really would like a tutorial for this also :wink: if you need help, just take a look at some of the tutorials that already exist...

how is the 5spd working out for you?

4g64terror

03-11-2003, 05:40 PM

oh i can make an EXACT parts list right down to the bolt...its not that i need help writing it or looking for a format..i can do that..i just need to know where to physcally write it lol

seth98esT

03-11-2003, 05:42 PM

i would start it using like MS Word or something, where u can save it and work on it. then once its done make a new post and paste the contents

4g64terror

03-11-2003, 05:43 PM

i havent been driving it yet because i still dont have the front end on it..im swapping to a 98 front end and im having problems with people writing me back about a header bar. :evil: lol..i drove it around and i drove home from our shop that we build cars in and it drives perfect..absolutely no check engine lights whatsoever..u cant tell the car was ever an automatic i was so thorough with it

4g64terror

03-11-2003, 05:43 PM

thats a damn good idea..im gonna start writing it tonight...thanks

4g64terror

03-11-2003, 05:44 PM

on ms word i couldnt insert pictres next top the text could i?

seth98esT

03-11-2003, 05:46 PM

you can actually, go to insert > picture > from file

JiP

03-12-2003, 10:18 PM

Uh whats the link to your imagestation account I NEED to see these pics! Did you do this swap with the engine still in the car or didyou pull it? Was it easy to install the clutch master cyl and the shifter mechanism?

4g64terror

03-12-2003, 10:21 PM

im about finished with the pics..i went ahead and removed the engine so i could swap timing belts, water pump...maintenence stuff...clutch master cylinder u have to drill three holes in the forewall for it to pass through and hook to the pedal. shifter and cables bolt right in the place of the auto and the cables go through the holes and bolt in where the auto cables did...its so easy its no funny...u do lose your cruise control though

GaLaNtKeV99

03-12-2003, 10:27 PM

Shea stadium is annoying b/c by the time you get out of there, you probably need all new suspension, rims, and wheels. So many pot HOLES, more than swiss cheese. And they are the size of a mattress, and the depth of a kitty pool.

JiP

03-12-2003, 10:34 PM

Are the holes that need to be drilled for the clutch marked out on the firewall? Thats what I heard, theyre indents are there but they arentpunch through.

Is it even possible to remove a tranny with the engine still in the car?

4g64terror

03-12-2003, 10:40 PM

yep if u look under there right about where it would go through under the dash you will see three holes diagonal to each other on the firewall stamped into it..the two outside ones are smaller and the one in the middle is about 3 inches or so..these are the template u need to cut out.

JiP

03-12-2003, 10:46 PM

cool dude. cant wait to see the photos and tutorial when your done https://www.thegalantcenter.org/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif

4g64terror

03-12-2003, 10:47 PM

yeah ill have the tutorial soon

4g64terror

03-12-2003, 11:45 PM

this sony image station sucks..finished all my captions and shit and hit continue to upload everything and it just sits there....somethings gotta be wrong

seth98esT

03-13-2003, 04:51 AM

maybe just try to upload 5 or 10 at a time?

or, if it uplods them(goes through pic by pic with status bar) then just stays there with blank screen, click back, then refresh. usually works for me

4g64terror

03-13-2003, 08:00 AM

dude i have tried and tried..lol know of any other pages??im gonna try it through explorer first maybe that will work

seth98esT

03-13-2003, 02:09 PM

not sure man, imagestation always works fine for me

4g64terror

03-13-2003, 05:37 PM

here it is boys and girls!!! well the pics and captions anyway
http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4290548787 ('http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4290548787')

QnzMostWanted

03-13-2003, 05:54 PM

ok those without imagestation would have to sign up to see these

JiP

03-13-2003, 06:29 PM

Whats the start button for? was it needed to swap trannies or just somethin you put in.

JiP

03-13-2003, 06:51 PM

Im so confused here. You swapped ecus and gauge clusters too? Why?

QnzMostWanted

03-13-2003, 07:33 PM

I think he just had the cluster out

JiP

03-13-2003, 07:37 PM

I thought about that but the caption said thats all the parts that he was dumping, I cant understand why you would need to remove the gauge cluster to install an manual tranny anyway lol.

Besides why go through the trouble of swapping ecu's ? unless planning to go turbo and dont want to buy afc and knock controller.

seth98esT

03-13-2003, 08:11 PM

interesting, interesting...if i hafta pull the motor, i might as well just do a 4g63t swap with 5spd heh

QnzMostWanted

03-13-2003, 08:50 PM

u dont have to remove the engine if u got a lift handy

4g64terror

03-13-2003, 10:50 PM

ecus are different fuel and timing maps..plus i swapped the 5 speed wiring harness in with it so i kept it all together. i swapped clusters because i wanted this whole setup to look like the factory did it..the 5 speed cluster doesnt have the P,R,N D and all of that on it..plus it has only 80,000 miles on it and my car was a one onwer when i bought it and we didnt write the mileage on the title yet https://www.thegalantcenter.org/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif as far as the start button goes the factory auto setup works off a neutral safety switch which is wired into the dash harness..on the 5 speed car it works off a clutch switch and a relay with about 6 wires going to it...i would have to do all kinds of cutting and splicing and it would look like shit..you still have to use the key but the button looks fly..since you lose crusie control anyway swappin in a 5speed then you can take the right panel out on the dash where the button used to be and fab a plate for the button..i used carbon fiber and it looks TIGHT. plus if you go to vfaq and read the long ass 2g eclipse crank walk theory it states that some of the crank walk they were experinceing had to do with the oil squirters and the fact that youre pushing a load against the thrust bearing by pushing the clutch in on startup when the bearing is dry..repeated dry load startups against the back side of the bearing causes wear and premature failure(or thats the theory anyway) so i figured since our little 2.4 is made around the same architecture then this would help out longevity on the thrust bearing because you dont have to push the clutch in to start it..you just have to make sure you arent in gear and i dont know abuot you guys but i always pay attention at startup.

4g64terror

03-13-2003, 10:51 PM

no you dont have to remove the engine you are right but i did it for general maintenance reason( ie front and rea main seals, timting belts, water pump etc.) plus it makes it easier to line up the input shaft on the clutch disk when its out

JiP

03-13-2003, 11:09 PM

Odly enough my gauge cluster doesnt have the PRND section in it and it is auto.

My goal in life is to not swap ecu's. If im gona swap ecus Id rather save up the cash and get an aftermarket ems.

Exactly what connectors are there on the transmission? I didnt think there were any other then a speed sensor? I really dont know to much about manual tranny world, so I hope you dont mind if I bombard you with a bunch of newbie-ish questoins https://www.thegalantcenter.org/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif

4g64terror

03-14-2003, 12:21 AM

the only other connection is the back up lights...on the auto theres like 5 different connections..thats the big reason i swapped wiring harnesses..thats weird that yours doesnt have thaton the cluster that lights up..every auto ive seen has em..oh well. why wouldnt u swap the ecu if youre gettin everything else?? i checked no too long ago and on ebay there was an entire wrecked 5 speed car for 500 bucks..thats still not as good as the 350 dollar deal got for all my stuff but hey i know people.lol

JiP

03-14-2003, 12:29 AM

Cause swapping ecu's seems to be a major pain in my ass, I dont know which ecu you swapped to, but the only one worth swapping to in my mind is 2g turbo ecu. Also like I said I would rather go with haltech or some ecu that gives me more control.

As far as the connectors on the A/T well those are the control solenoids, etc etc...You can just pull that part of the harnesss and the A/t computer. I see no reason why the stock ECU wouldnt be able to handle fuel maps and what not with a manual tranny. Connect the speed sensor, the backup light switch...ground the P/N line on the stock ECU and that should be that. Your car will start no matter what gear your in lol.

You said something about having to hold the clutch when you start im assuming this runs to the ECU or MPI relay...if you keep the stock ecu, then like I said, you'd have to watch for your gears, cause you'll be able to start with the car in any gear!

BTW Nice job with all the pics. Can't wait for a write up.

4g64terror

03-14-2003, 08:45 AM

no no no i swapped to the galant 5 speed ecu...i got all my stuff out of another 95 galant 5 speed..everythings the same drivetrain wise so its the same as a 2g eclipse...but i went with the GALANT 5 speed ecu and wiring harness...if you look at the car now theres no way you could ever tell it was an automatic. thats exactly how i wanted it to be because i hate hacked up cars

QnzMostWanted

03-14-2003, 09:55 AM

[quote="JiP"]Odly enough my gauge cluster doesnt have the PRND section in it and it is auto.[quote]

The 97/98 didnt have that, the 94/96 did

4g64terror

03-14-2003, 06:29 PM

well that explains it.lol wonder why they didnt include it because its handy..guess they wanted to cut corners and that was one way

4g64terror

03-14-2003, 06:54 PM

by the way on my images i labeled the pressure plate the flywheel for some reason...disregard...i hit a retarded spurt for some reason

ablythe

04-03-2003, 12:37 AM

Hey terror, how about a pic of the interior where you put the "fly" S2000 style button. I want to know how much better the car rides and runs. How much weight did you cut when you switched trannys?

I just rebuilt my auto tranny and it wasn't that bad. I could take an auto tranny out of a car in about 3 hours with decent tools and a fridge full of beer waiting for me when I'm done. Thats without removing the engine with it.

Very cool conversion. I want to know how you like it...

AB
Dallas, TX
96 Galant S