Building a completely new 4g64

[wrakd]

Hi there some of you may have seen my previous post about my blown engine but I guess it might be helpful to someone if I make a post with details on my new build. I will try to keep it updated. Any advice is more than welcome...

HERE I START PULLING THE MOTOR.. it looks fine on the outside...timing didnt jump, actually it looked like nothing was wrong, even installed a pretty nice fuel pressure gauge cuz at first i tought my fuel pump just went out, but pressure was all fine
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...and here it is out
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BUT ON THE INSIDE.....all f****d up
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(spark plugs #3 on the right)all eaten.. It was after i checked the obvious and saw the spark plug #3 was beat when I decided to pull the whole motor out, it was obviously internal damage...

AS YOU CAN SEE THERE IS NO ONE IN #3....
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....OH NO HE WAS HIDING IN THE OIL PAN
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WE ALL DESERVE A BREAK HEH...
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Alright starting to build...

...with the thing I definitely do not need rnow lol
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It's crazy all the stuff for header wrap was over $100

I don't know if I should use this solid aluminum pulley because people say the oem pulley has rubber in it to absorb vibration goin to the crank and a solid one might cause crank damage plus I want my AC blasting and power steering workin all fine in traffic...this one shows you pretty well:(https://www.thegalantcenter.org/showthread.php?t=36248&highlight=underdrive+pulley)....
(there is a few threads on here about that but more feedback is welcome)
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Something even crazier.....a new oem crank pulley just like the one on the right from mitsu..$300 !!!

(the pulley on the left $30 from ebay)

I went to mitsu to pick up a few new parts i needed...pricey
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like this thing is a hydraulic timing belt tensioner it was freakin $150!
I also got a starter plate and thermostat housing
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AS FOR THAT UNDERDRIVE PULLEY...DEF NOT USING IT. I might actually look into getting my internals balanced as beam514 suggested but still not using it.that pulley is not worth the 10-15 extra hp i can go without i wanna go turbo anyway i dont need some sketchy pulley for power and fucking with my accessories. thats not something you really need on a street car for hp... so im goin with the stock one....but i also figured its a great ashtray after I pluggedup all the holes with foil
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ordered a new cylynder head, since mine is not rebuildable
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Cleaned and painted throttle body aluminum
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Finally stripped the wrincle red paint off of the intake manifold
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Painted the upper right motor mount aluminum as well
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got a pretty nice balance shaft eliminator kit
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Painted all kinds of brackets and mounts in low gloss black

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now Im saving up for the new block and def getting custom dished pistons with valve relief slits and lower compression.. goin turbo after I get the stick shift in there...

[Galante]

might as well use it.. Keep us updated w/ the build.

[galant3jl12's]

What brand of header is that?

[RAZ_76]

What kind of weed are you smoking..lol. You killed your engine so bad that it bleed...it's red, get it???lmao.

[Joshua42007]

WE ALL DESERVE A BREAK HEH
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LMAO, nice. Yes, everyone deserves a break here and there. Dont wire everything all backwards now haha

[OMEGA PHX]

Keep us posted on the build. GL

[4g63lover]

id the IM painted red?

And damn, you made your self work hard, why did you not take the trans out with the motor?

[RAZ_76]

Seeing that you smoke, my guess is that this project will take while and lots of munchies later.

[bsphillips]

Where can you get the motor mounts like that?

[es_fact]

lol I hate smoking pipes lol.

[wrakd]

motor mounts and header are from ebay...but I bought header wrap and high heat paint from pepboys and hooked it up.....Im gonna be doin a lot of shit now that the motor is out i wil post pics...


and i didnt pull the tranny so it doesnt tease, If i pull it its not goin back in unless its a 5spd stick. I dont think its harder to pull the motor itself only thing i had an issue with is clearance with balancer pulley on the right side but took it off and it popped right out..... i got a hoist for freakin truck engines haha

[beam514]

For the crank pulley, I would say only use it if you get the internals balanced at a shop.

[wrakd]

For the crank pulley, I would say only use it if you get the internals balanced at a shop.

what does it really mean to get it balanced...i mean what does the shop really do to it to balance it?

[4g63lover]

what does it really mean to get it balanced...i mean what does the shop really do to it to balance it?

the crank has weight on them, what a machine shop will do is take metal out of those weights until the whole crankshaft assembly is balanced all across the shaft.

[wrakd]

the crank has weight on them, what a machine shop will do is take metal out of those weights until the whole crankshaft assembly is balanced all across the shaft.

so is getting your internals balanced an extra step to rebuilding the block I mean dont they do that when they rebuild a motor anyway?

[4g63lover]

Personally we only get the crank balanced in the motors we've built when we use a lightened crank pulley and use forged rods and pistons. The crank pulley/harmonic balancer aids in externally balancing the crank.

[Trevs56]

Where can you get the motor mounts like that?

It looks like he has prothane inserts. not too hard to come by. theres also mounts and inserts in different colours from deyeme racing. u order them for a stratus/sebring/00-05 eclipse.

http://deyemeracing.com/

[wrakd]

I was lookin up some cometic head gaskets online and they only have ones for the 7g its bogus but whatev i found this website which can make you a custom copper head gasket as thick as you want it and everything http://www.headgasket.com/gaskets.html I dont know how thick i should go 0.70 sounds good might lower the comression for when I turbo. I was wondering if any of you know a good ass gasket that might help with that and shit If anyone knows a set of arp head studs that would fit that would be awesome

[Shadow19]

How much boost do you plan on running? Do they make arp head studs for the 8g? If they make arp head studs and you dont plan on running over like 20-22 psi im more than sure a OEM composite head gasket with some copper seal and arp head studs would hold up fine as long as you deck the head and block. Cometic is over-rated and over priced. Fuck those gaskets. We went through 2 of them in my gf's 2g and we had arp head studs along with a fresh decked head.

[bwracing00]

well the 8g is the exact same as the 00-05 eclipse and i just got done doing a complete 4g64 build on my car. arp head studs as well. dont all the evo's run a stock commetic gasket?

plus lik you asked it depends how much boost he is running? if he keeps it a simple 15psi or less deending what kind of rebuild he is doing then he should be fine with a great tune.

[Shadow19]

supposedly with arp studs the oem composite gasket is good for 30 PSI.. Not sure if thats true or not but its all over dsmtuners.com

[wrakd]

Ye i plan on keeping it chill at under 20psi...but no there isnt an ARP stud kit for the sohc 4g64...I dunno if somethin else would ghetto-fit but i might just go with stock bolts def getting different pistons for that thing cuz the stock turned out pretty shitty.. got a decked head already(saving for the block) and prolly get a copper gasket from these guys http://www.headgasket.com/gaskets.html it should hold cuz if I get pistons compression will drop down to 8.5 stock crank and rods are forged and a 5spd tranny swap will come before a turbo ever touches the car.. so hope for the best guys this engine build should be done in about a month, even tho im goin to vegas in the end of may so that may slow things down a bit.....more pics coming soon

[mrg7243]

but if you win money in vegas it will speed things up

[wrakd]

I dont know what brand of pistons to get so far I settled on JE

[4g63lover]

I would think the EVO ARP studs would work.

[wrakd]

dude yeah i have been looking into that but I dont have enough to actually go ahead and buy a set also I have been trying to find out how thick is the stock heaad gasket cuz im gonna order a custom all copper one piece gasket or a multi piece cometic but i heard cometic is over rated...so if anyone has experience with head gaskets please throw some advice this way

[wrakd]

Talked to a machine shop today the will press in my new forged pistons and balance everything within a couple grams for $500, of course I still have to pay $630 for a new machined block(since mine isn't rebuild-able) and another $600 for the actual piston set soo..hopefully this thing will be bullet-proof

[Shadow19]

jesus christ thats alot of money for a piston installation and balance combo.... Here they press pistons on for 30 bucks and balance the whole entire rotating assembly for 125... No shabby shit either. They have been open for 40 years and specialize in marine applications which tells me their work is good considering that marine engines have to be very reliable.

[wrakd]

jesus christ thats alot of money for a piston installation and balance combo.... Here they press pistons on for 30 bucks and balance the whole entire rotating assembly for 125... No shabby shit either. They have been open for 40 years and specialize in marine applications which tells me their work is good considering that marine engines have to be very reliable.

yeah dude thats shat i thought but i dont think they fully understood me because he said rebuilding a short block is 500 and Im actually buying a block thats already been rebuild but I will see what happens when I ship it there and they check it out but the place I went to also does marine shit so it should be all good... ill let u guys kno but rnow i gotta pack cuz vegas here i come

[wrakd]

ordered a v6 throttle body today will post pics soon and the block is comin

[oakrdrs187]

is that the prothane 4cyl 3g eclipse kit that you are using?

[wrakd]

is that the prothane 4cyl 3g eclipse kit that you are using?

yeah but the only thing with the one I got was the rear mount on the firewall didnt really come in the kit so i just bought another new stock oune and its all good but the project is pretty time consuming dude.....rippin up the stock mounts is probably the most time consuming

[oakrdrs187]

yea i know, when i did them for my 3g i did one and it took a couple hours and a few flatheads, but luckily at my buddies shop theres a press that gets them out quick, also ive seen the pictures for the kit and it looks like theres a 2 piece part that looks kinda wierd, would it be better to just get the v6 kit?

[wrakd]

no v6 is different man i dont think it would work

[wrakd]

got the v6 throttle body in.....it odd but i painted it white! cuz I plan on blacking out the cold air and the intake manifold..
here it is compared to mine
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and here it is white
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[wrakd]

taking my intake manigold to this pro ass welder guy in Rockford to cut the flange off and make a newer one, even bigger than the V6 throttle opening, just in case i decide to bore it out even more. I have seen people just slap the V6 throttle on there......but why? unless you bore out the manifold I don't see it workin that well so....im borin

[wrakd]

Also somethin that might be helpful....ARP studs for the Evo fit on perfect the part number is 207-4203 11mm hsk '94up 4g63

[wrakd]

Took my IM to a welder/machinist and he made me a custom overbored throttle body flange to fit the V6 diameter, so the V6 TB is an actual upgrade... He also welded it real nice and created side reinforcement so i dont get the common IM crack all american 4g64 get
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Then painted it gloss black...
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and finally something major!!!! my new 4g64 short block came in today!! I will be putting custom order JE or Wiseco Pistons in it and then its goin in!!!
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[Isaurio]

It looks bro. But just get an 03 outlander mani. Is better and stronger. Since you upgrading the diamante tb.

[Gtorque]

nice work so far man!

[xd_01]

is that a new oem short block?

[wrakd]

It looks bro. But just get an 03 outlander mani. Is better and stronger. Since you upgrading the diamante tb.

I thought you couldn't bolt a V6 tb to the outlander IM because you need outlander tb and sensors... plus the welder is a friend so it was cool he is probably gonna weld me up a custom intercooler setup and down pipe after this motor is in, shit the guy is so good he told me he can weld me up a fully custom intake manifold but he has to charge me a few hundred for that so i will see how this one holds off for now i still want to swapp those oem pistons out for JE or Wiseco so im sort of budgeting

[Isaurio]

Nahh bro is mahh easy. Right now i'm in the process of doing that swap, the only thing you need is the TBS, IAC from the diamante plus the harness "plugs" everything else should be easy. It should be easy since you have your engine outside. Think about it.

[wrakd]

dropped off the block at the machine shop today...waiting on the guy to call me back with prices and options.

Getting forged pistons with rings and pins and everything balanced on that motor, it's .50 overbored.

[mrg7243]

.50????? is that even safe???? that is a huge overbore, everybody i know bores either .020 or .030 over, anything after that they junk a block.

[Galantman03]

dropped off the block at the machine shop today...waiting on the guy to call me back with prices and options.

Getting forged pistons with rings and pins and everything balanced on that motor, it's .50 overbored.

i hope you mean 50 thousanths, because .50 is half an inch lol, and i think the max you can do its 40 thousanths on the 4g64 block safely... i could be wrong though...

[wrakd]

I am talking in millimeters not inches .50 is half a millimeter
1 mm = 0.039370079 OR 5/127 inches

[wrakd]

The guy from the machine shop ordered the forged pistons from JE with 8.5:1 compression goin a lil lower to ensure my turbo setup will be stable. $600 dollars for the custom piston order with pins and rings, i dunno how much labor is gonna be yet..he is gonna balance it too.
Got the adjustable timing gear and head studs and when I pick up the block from the shop all i need is an engine gasket kit and an oil pan then its all assemble and drop in

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[mrg7243]

not sure you really need the ADJ cam gear since you are running a stock cam?? Adj cam gears is a tool to help set aftermarket cams. Though they cam be used on stock cams, the benefiets dont constitute the price. MAybe 2-3 hp

[wrakd]

not sure you really need the ADJ cam gear since you are running a stock cam?? Adj cam gears is a tool to help set aftermarket cams. Though they cam be used on stock cams, the benefiets dont constitute the price. MAybe 2-3 hp

yeah it is to adjust the timing without getting the belt off....i wasnt thinking horsepower when i bought it but ultimately thats what you get from a properly tuned motor....Its sort of a bitch to get to the belt so might as well have a quick and easy adjustment option


AEM TRU-TIME Adjustable Cam Gears increase horsepower and torque without having to change the camshaft(s) and are must-have items for engines that are milled, forced induction, high compression and/or utilizing aftermarket competition cams. AEM's gears enable users to match cam timing with their vehicle's tuning state by advancing or retarding the cam profile in one-degree increments via true laser-etched markings.

[mrg7243]

Correct me if i am wrong but you cant adjust timing one the SOHC with the stock cam, since these are interference motors. Now with a adj cam gear on a SOHC all you are doing is really playing with the ignition timing. Since we have a camshaft sensor that tells the ECU when to fire spark. By advancing/ retarding you are just changing when the ECU fires spark in the combustion cycle. I do not know much about tuning yet, i have been reading alot. But from what i have read you can adjust the ignition timing with a piggyback, or the EVO ECU. I havent read this thread in awhile to se what tuning you are going for.

If you were going for DOHC, the the adj cam gear would be worthwhile as you can change the intake and exhaust valve timing.

[wrakd]

yeah thats exactly right thats why the DOHC evo head is way better, but this cam gear can be helpful to get your car to even idle with heavy mods, but as you said on our cars now you can do that with a piggy back, but dude its part of under hood aesthetics too...im getting all the gadgets before i go turbo so when i go get it tuned those guys will have something to work with I might actually take it to AMS here in chicago..

[mrg7243]

thats true, i was just telling you it wasnt entirely needed, but i will admit they do looks badass haha. Ams is going to charge you out the ass i would just got to a reputebale shop, that does mitsus.
What tuning are you going with??

[wrakd]

yeah ive heard about ams prices i might just hit up another shop as you said but as far as tunable parts i plan on upgrading the fuel system to an overkill with a pump, an lines, rail, fpr, wrx pink injectors(for now), and as far as ignition, timing and all that fuel air crap will be managed by an AEM ems(first gen for evo VIII/IX) because i want a well-fed turbo setup.. the only reason i still have the SOHC is to see its potential(and its way cheaper), eventually, after this setup i want to go 4G64/63head hybrid, but thats at least a year from now i wanna see how this 4g64 is gonna do, my goal with it is at least 300whp

[mrg7243]

what flow rate are the pinktops?? cause you should go with the 560ccs

[bwracing00]

i would build the trans aswell i have a fully built 4g64 sohc with a huge turbo and the tranny and axles will break if you plan on making killer boost

[wrakd]

i would build the trans aswell i have a fully built 4g64 sohc with a huge turbo and the tranny and axles will break if you plan on making killer boost

yeah for sure man, i want to swap to the 5speed 3rd gen eclipse manual and so tougher axels wouldnt be bad, but you are right that 4speed auto is junk haha!

[wrakd]

yeah for sure man, i want to swap to the 5speed 3rd gen eclipse manual and so tougher axels wouldnt be bad, but you are right that 4speed auto is junk haha!


fucking dodge tranny im pretty sure....what a piece of crap...what a disgrace to mitsubishi letting dodge do that to the galant

[Galantfan88]

You got some crazy colors going on but so far everything is lookking pretty good...well once its finished we shall see what the results are. Goodluck

[Joshua42007]

Well lettuce see these results

[DTP]

Hurry up i wanna see. I wanna see!

[wrakd]

finally my pistons are ready to ship....it took my machinist like 2 months to size them up, but he was prolly dragging, and two weeks for JE to blueprint and manufacture them...$840 for the 4 pistons, rings and pins and about $600 to balance the entire rotating assembly and bolt on a head! ill have pics of the monster soon