Dyno Results are IN!!!!

[Stewi]

So its been a crazy 24 hours for me. I have been trying to meet up with my friend who tunes my car but its been very difficult because he is getting married in 3 weeks and doing all the last minute stuff. So last night he tells me that we can spend some time later at night street tuning it.

I meet up with him about 9:45pm, spend about a half hour in his driveway just checking my sensor values and feedback via the laptop and AEM EMS datalog. We confirm everything is working right and head to the highway service road. FUCK. They are re-paving the highway so ALL the traffic is diverted to the service road. So now we are just driving around at normal highway speeds checking everything and tuning small areas of the map to make it drive better at part throttle and in varying traffic conditions. So my friend spends about 15 minutes doing that and says, "Lets turn her loose" So we search and finally find an empty 3/4 mile or so of service road and do some 3rd gear pulls, we do a total of about 4 or 5 pulls, spending about 30 minutes doing actual tuning adjustments. We call it a night and go home. Im asking him how he feels about the car and this is what he says "This thing is making ALOT of power for the amount of tuning and boost thats into it. The car feels stronger than I thought it would, I wouldnt be surprised if your making in the high 300's if not low 400's at the wheels"

Next morning (today) i've got it in my head that I need to dyno this car just to get a baseline and see where its at. So I make a few calls and I am given a short 30-45 minute dyno slot just to do a few baseline pulls to see where im at.

DynoDynamics Dyno normal 1.15 CF (No smoke and mirrors manipulating #'s in the software to make the readings higher, I asked to see all the variables before hand, plus I know and trust these guys I have been doing business with them for about 5 years)

First pull (no dyno sheet or video) 440whp, 442wtq, 21psi, 93 octane pump gas, 11.8 AFR, 11.5 degrees of max timing. WOW WOW WOW. The car makes 440whp on its first pull ever with this setup. The AFR is a little lean for his liking, especially since its about 75 degrees out, but at night around here its about 60 degrees, my tuner was concerned it would go too lean if it was colder. So he adds some more fuel to the map.

Second pull, 432whp, 430wtq, same boost, same gas, same timing, AFR around 11.3 and stays nice and flat all the way thru.

3rd pull, 432whp, 432wtq, same everything as 2nd pull.

The car needs new plugs, the spark is unstable above 6000rpms and the spark is being blown out completely at 7000rpms. The plugs were also gapped a little too high around .028, they should be around .023 to avoid blowing out. Next week she will get RalliArt plug wires and new plugs, gapped correctly : )

All in all, I am very happy with the results, for the amount of time spent tuning, the amount of boost, the extremely safe AFR and timing and the car runs and drives well and its fun again to drive. I am also at a disadvantage still using the HKS 272 cams since their performance has been far surpassed by the newer cams from GSC and Kelford. GSC is going to be releasing a 2.4/EVO head specific lift/duration cam in the near future, im going to hold out until its available. With better cams, more boost and a little timing, this thing can easily do 500+ on pump gas. For me, im OK with the current power for now and will push it higher on race gas (to keep it safe) in the very near future. Vids and graph are below. Graph is cut short because it got all crazy with the spark issues. The spool is a little slow also since we arent running much timing, once we spend a few hours really tuning the car over again im sure 20psi will be reached around 3900 or so, now its about 4300 or so.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/EvoInside/dynosheet.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/EvoInside/th_DynoPull2.jpg (http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/EvoInside/?action=view&current=DynoPull2.mp4)

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/EvoInside/th_DynoPull3.jpg (http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/EvoInside/?action=view&current=DynoPull3.mp4)

[beam514]

DAMN SON!! congrats
you should post these on youtube so people can see the Galant's potential :)

[RedGalant2k1]

Nice work Stewi, seriously nice work!

[M-Rod]

Impressive. Congrats!

[Rach3T8G]

Dam thats alot of power congrats!!

[Reelax]

sweet numbers. are you going to dyno it at MOD?

[9G]

Awesome blossom

[Rach3T8G]

You should dyno it a MOD show everyone in person how much potential a galant really has

[Stewi]

sweet numbers. are you going to dyno it at MOD?

I dont think so. They usually have dynapak's which require you to remove your wheels which is a PITA. Plus I have no shot of winning. I know of at least 3 500+whp EVOs going and maybe even a 600+whp 2g.

This car has soo much more in it but my tuner brought up an excellent point. I want to be at MOD, no two ways about it. I have been talking about it for months, at one point I considered going to the factory mod in Normal. We were going to do a full 3+hr tuning session next week on race gas and high boost, but im so afraid of having something break that I wouldnt be able to fix before MOD. For this reason, I am holding back for now. You can bet your ass a few days after MOD I will be back on the dyno going for 500+

[Reelax]

I dont think so. They usually have dynapak's which require you to remove your wheels which is a PITA. Plus I have no shot of winning. I know of at least 3 500+whp EVOs going and maybe even a 600+whp 2g.

This car has soo much more in it but my tuner brought up an excellent point. I want to be at MOD, no two ways about it. I have been talking about it for months, at one point I considered going to the factory mod in Normal. We were going to do a full 3+hr tuning session next week on race gas and high boost, but im so afraid of having something break that I wouldnt be able to fix before MOD. For this reason, I am holding back for now. You can bet your ass a few days after MOD I will be back on the dyno going for 500+

yeah i feel that. there were some cars at the last few MODs that were over 800whp... and then there was AMS's drag evo dyno run at MOD09 of 1100+whp. that thing was ridiculously loud and the exhaust burned a hole in the asphalt.

yeah baby the car until after MOD. it really has come out super nice and deserves to be shared w/ the rest of the mitsubishi owners and mitsubishi engineers/executives that will probably attend. great work!

[OMEGA PHX]

Wow awesome numbers, congrats.

[fatal1]

iight!!!

[G-spot]

nice numbers

[krow]

I know you must feel great...nice read!

[greddy]

Great numbers I'm.curious though why did you go with a t3/4 setup over a stock frame evolution Turbo ie fp red black etc...

[Stewi]

Great numbers I'm.curious though why did you go with a t3/4 setup over a stock frame evolution Turbo ie fp red black etc...

Because back when I started doing this setup the technology of the FP lineup of stock frame turbos wasnt what it is today. The turbo on my car is the same turbo I had back in 2004 when I did my first EVO swap, since that time, it has been rebuilt, received a different turbine housing and compressor housing. I have changed it a little at a time as I needed to. The other factor is I didnt want a ball bearing turbo. BB turbos are expensive, the FP turbos are REALLY expensive, and god forbid something happen to it, the CHRA cant be rebuilt. So your $1500 investment becomes a paper weight. I paid $750 for my turbo in 04' spent $450 to get a FULL rebuild, which was pretty much a new CHRA because it was on my EVO7 motor when it broken a piston and the turbine wheel and shaft were damaged, I paid $100 to have the seals replaced last year, I paid $100 for an anti-surge S-cover and another $100 to buy the backing plate and have it all assembled and balanced. So over 6 years I have about $1400 into the turbo. If I started with a BB or FP turbo I would be on my 3rd turbo at $1200-$1800 each depending on which model.

[whokilledhoughes]

congrats man...man i wish my G was up and running...maybe i should start looking for an evo engine. great numbers...wish i could see it in person.

[Galante]

WOW Bro! Very impressive!! Congrats!

[qnz]

Nice numbers! So thats why you called me earlier?

[greddy]

Because back when I started doing this setup the technology of the FP lineup of stock frame turbos wasnt what it is today. The turbo on my car is the same turbo I had back in 2004 when I did my first EVO swap, since that time, it has been rebuilt, received a different turbine housing and compressor housing. I have changed it a little at a time as I needed to. The other factor is I didnt want a ball bearing turbo. BB turbos are expensive, the FP turbos are REALLY expensive, and god forbid something happen to it, the CHRA cant be rebuilt. So your $1500 investment becomes a paper weight. I paid $750 for my turbo in 04' spent $450 to get a FULL rebuild, which was pretty much a new CHRA because it was on my EVO7 motor when it broken a piston and the turbine wheel and shaft were damaged, I paid $100 to have the seals replaced last year, I paid $100 for an anti-surge S-cover and another $100 to buy the backing plate and have it all assembled and balanced. So over 6 years I have about $1400 into the turbo. If I started with a BB or FP turbo I would be on my 3rd turbo at $1200-$1800 each depending on which model.


fair enough, that makes more sense, didn't realize the same turbo was on the car for that long. Again, congrats on the awesome numbers!!!!!

[o1naturalhigh]

wow...very nice. no vid(s)?

edit: nvm...didn't know you could click on the image. ;)

[polishmafia]

WOW! Impressive. Even by an Evo or DSM standard! Congrats!!

[SkylineG1]

Very nice Brian. Very nice.

[Dominicano]

congrats those numbers are are awesome!

[4g63lover]

OHMYGOODNESSSS!

Dude, Brian, this is awesome news. Those numbers for only a street tune is incredible. Way to keep upping the bar. I can only wish to be on your level someday.

The car looks dope too with all the CF and the new wheels!

[bsilver23]

this is soooo swweeet. i absolutely love it, sooo crazy. car also looks great btw

[run1206]

Excellent job Brian!!!! Very impressive numbers! :thumb: :thumb:

[Galant306m]

Good Job brian! I want to try and beat your numbers :) sept i can't get a damn tune.

[Stewi]

Good Job brian! I want to try and beat your numbers :) sept i can't get a damn tune.

LOL. I plan on going back the week after MOD with Q16 and real BOOST!!!

[Galantman03]

Holy crap dude.... thats awesome!... my jaw droped when i saw the dyno sheet lol

[Galantman03]

So when you going awd? lol

[Galantfan88]

I finally got to see your car in action.lol Brian, you have done an excellent job on your car...you have no idea how jealous I am.lol but damn man you got some good numbers there and a real sexy looking car. You deserve it from all the hard work you put into it. Great Job buddy

[Blue Ice]

Great work man!! Hp is addicting, but keep it going.

[IceDouTGaLanT]

Congrats! I can only imagine the joy of driving something that daym quick!

[IVORY_G]

Thats awesome! Nice work :)

[RAZ_76]

Sounds nice and looks good, props to you man.

[Isaurio]

OMG. Great numbers. Congrats Brian good F'n work. I would love to see your car in person.

[xd_01]

Looks and sounds great Brian, looking forward to Evo v.s. STI day!!

[azgalant]

Hey congrats those are awesome numbers just wish my car could pull that much lol

[Cali]

great work brian! congrats and get some race gas in there!

[Galant306m]

LOL. I plan on going back the week after MOD with Q16 and real BOOST!!!

dont worry the way things are going with my car it will be about 3 years before someone actually comes out and makes it run right so i can drive it :(. Great job though glad to see someone making some power on this site instead of just looking cool. Oh and those cams are they going to make some for the 2g style 64's?

[Stewi]

dont worry the way things are going with my car it will be about 3 years before someone actually comes out and makes it run right so i can drive it :(. Great job though glad to see someone making some power on this site instead of just looking cool. Oh and those cams are they going to make some for the 2g style 64's?

No and at this point it looks like the 2.4 cams are going to be Mivec specific only and then later down the road they will be available for non-mivec EVO's. I think at this point I am going to switch to GSC S2's or Kelford 280's. The GSC S2's are said to make anywhere from 30-45whp over the HKS cams, they have .7mm more lift and more duration.

[XxGiRLaNT06xX]

Congrats!! All of your hard work on that car paid off lol. Great numbers!!

[Joshua42007]

GAT DAMN!!! The car is looking and running great stew.

[skrap]

I soop cant wait until MOD!! I am really looking forward to just hearing this beast run in person

[Galant306m]

No and at this point it looks like the 2.4 cams are going to be Mivec specific only and then later down the road they will be available for non-mivec EVO's. I think at this point I am going to switch to GSC S2's or Kelford 280's. The GSC S2's are said to make anywhere from 30-45whp over the HKS cams, they have .7mm more lift and more duration.

Nice! Keep it up cause you know after you hit 500 whp you have to go for 600 whp right?

[Stewi]

Nice! Keep it up cause you know after you hit 500 whp you have to go for 600 whp right?

I know I know. 600whp is the limit though. I got eagle rods in this motor with ARP 2k bolts, I dont trust it more than 700 at the crank.

[Censee]

Awesome man..

[Galant306m]

I know I know. 600whp is the limit though. I got eagle rods in this motor with ARP 2k bolts, I dont trust it more than 700 at the crank.

Billiet crank ftw well even at the numbers you are making now you have to be spinning like crazy

[Galantman03]

^Is he running the stock crank? if so, wow... i think thats brave.....

[qnz]

stock crank is plenty strong

[Corey2kG]

My G has that much horse power too lol. Then I realized I was sleeping lol. Great numbers bro!!!

[Stewi]

stock crank is plenty strong

+1

At power levels over 600whp I wouldnt be worried about the crank, I would be worried about the rods & rod bolts and the piston wrist pins. They rate eagles at 800 crank hp, so for me, that would be around 680-700whp, I like the extra comfort zone though, I dont think I will ever go over 600whp and if I do, I wont stay there.

Alot of the built 2.4's you see running around on EVOM are stock 4G64 crank motors.

MAPerformance's drag evo is making 1053awhp using the stock 4G64 crank and spinning the motor to 9,000. YIKES!!! That wont last too long and they know it already. At that power level and rev limit your talking about piston speeds higher than that of formula one racecar engines.

[djhah]

I am jealous, lol. One day i may be able to get there

[Galant306m]

Your engine is really strong, Looks like you have a good tune by how it holds power till redline, I can see this thing making 500+ easy on race gas.

Besides the cam's your head is stock right? No over sized valves or anything?

Also you think the guy that you have tune yours could maybe check out some logs from my car and see what he can do with my sd table? No matter what i do i can not get it to stop idling rich the leanest we got it to go was 11.6 and then when i hit the gas to rev it, it would shoot up to like 19.8. Move global fuel back and lower sd table values and same crap.

[Stewi]

Your engine is really strong, Looks like you have a good tune by how it holds power till redline, I can see this thing making 500+ easy on race gas.

Besides the cam's your head is stock right? No over sized valves or anything?

Also you think the guy that you have tune yours could maybe check out some logs from my car and see what he can do with my sd table? No matter what i do i can not get it to stop idling rich the leanest we got it to go was 11.6 and then when i hit the gas to rev it, it would shoot up to like 19.8. Move global fuel back and lower sd table values and same crap.

My head is unported, valve job, SuperTech +1mm coated valves on both sides, Crower (REAL ones not BC) springs and ti retainers and HKS 272's.

The car really needs bigger cams, I think the GSC S2 is going to be my best choice at this point, we will see what happens

[Galant306m]

So do you not like the 272's?? I was thinking about a 272 282 combo crower cans but my car is going to be a track day car and just Friday night cruiser next year if i get my awd done this winter and a tune!

[Corey2kG]

Stewi G go VROOM VROOM lol. I'm still amazed with the power... I would love to at least get a ride in a G as powerful as yours. Gotta be a huge rush when you open it up...

[Stewi]

So do you not like the 272's?? I was thinking about a 272 282 combo crower cans but my car is going to be a track day car and just Friday night cruiser next year if i get my awd done this winter and a tune!

its not that I dont like them, its just not enough air coming in for the 2.4. The dyno pull on the sheet printed is to 6000 because I was blowing out spark, the first run I got to about 6875, I hit max power at 4800rpms then tapered off. Whats weird is when your driving the car, it doesnt nose over, it feels like the power always climbs. I need to change my cam timing first, my intake cam is a bit advanced and I think that is helping the power fall off. Ultimately though I need to feed this thing more air. I need cams with at least 11.5mm lift and more duration, I also need a ported intake manifold and throttle body, maybe even an aftermarket tb from Skunk2 or Boomba

[Galant306m]

its not that I dont like them, its just not enough air coming in for the 2.4. The dyno pull on the sheet printed is to 6000 because I was blowing out spark, the first run I got to about 6875, I hit max power at 4800rpms then tapered off. Whats weird is when your driving the car, it doesnt nose over, it feels like the power always climbs. I need to change my cam timing first, my intake cam is a bit advanced and I think that is helping the power fall off. Ultimately though I need to feed this thing more air. I need cams with at least 11.5mm lift and more duration, I also need a ported intake manifold and throttle body, maybe even an aftermarket tb from Skunk2 or Boomba

I'd get a tubular Mani and the skunk 2 tbody if i where you

[dGALANTc]

HOLY SHYT!!!!! thats amazing........congrats on your build.

[Stewi]

I'd get a tubular Mani and the skunk 2 tbody if i where you

The skunk2 throttle bodies are junk according to every review on EVOM. some of them just flat out didnt fit, the TPS didnt bolt up and they leaked at anything over 5psi. A "real" intake manifold would be nice, but I dont know how much I would really gain by using it and they are pretty expensive. There are stock turbo guys on EVOM picking up 30whp using a ported stock manifold and TB. I think the ported mani, tb and new cams is whats needed to get me over the 500 hump on pump gas.

[Reelax]

The skunk2 throttle bodies are junk according to every review on EVOM. some of them just flat out didnt fit, the TPS didnt bolt up and they leaked at anything over 5psi. A "real" intake manifold would be nice, but I dont know how much I would really gain by using it and they are pretty expensive. There are stock turbo guys on EVOM picking up 30whp using a ported stock manifold and TB. I think the ported mani, tb and new cams is whats needed to get me over the 500 hump on pump gas.

i was under the impression that everything skunk2 makes for the mitsu platforms is junk (on par w/, or only marginally better than weapon-r). i think they started w/ honda tuning but i don't know how even the honda community feels about them. personally, i wouldn't put any skunk2 stuff on my car especially when there are more reputable parts available.

[kolio]

is it wrong to say i touched myself over this footage?

[Stepsascend]

is it wrong to say i touched myself over this footage?

Not at all.

[TahitianGreen]

i was under the impression that everything skunk2 makes for the mitsu platforms is junk (on par w/, or only marginally better than weapon-r). i think they started w/ honda tuning but i don't know how even the honda community feels about them. personally, i wouldn't put any skunk2 stuff on my car especially when there are more reputable parts available.

I'm with you on the Skunk2 for Mitsu. As for Honda they're pretty hit or miss.

Their Pro-C coil-over's are outstanding street/track c/o's and their short shifters are quite nice as well.....but outside of that I've heard many negatives.

[Galantman03]

So now that your making this much power, i'm curious what are you using to sense the air.. as in MAF, MAP, or Speed Density...

[Stewi]

So now that your making this much power, i'm curious what are you using to sense the air.. as in MAF, MAP, or Speed Density...

Map and Speed density are one in the same. You use a MAP sensor and intake air temp sensor if your running speed density, which is what im running.

[Galantman03]

I see. Is there an added benefit over maf using speed density, or is it just easier to tune because you know the density, compared to mass

[Stewi]

Easier to tune and no restriction on airflow