DOHC parts list for midnightbear

[reiketsutsukigami]

before anyone says anything about reposting and what not this is specifically for midnight cause he asked me its not just a general post XD.
ok parts wise
1) the dohc head (99-05 hyundia sonata or similar kia optima)
2) valve cover ( sometimes they dont come with those mine didnt)
3) Intake manifold (ours wont fit so the outlander wont either)
4) Intake manifold braket ( theres is taller)
5) fuel rails + injectors (you can modify ours to fit very easily i found the perfect way to do it and can show you if you dont swap injectors)
6) throttle body (theres is bigger but i dont reccomend it you can just stick with ours or the v6)
7) adjustable evo 8 cam gears (yes you need them our belts teeth dont match up to the sonata one so unless you cange bottom sprocket and oil pump sprocket you sol)
8) accessory belts (your gonna take them off so you should change them)
9) 5 gallon oil change jug X2( you gonna want to change oil b4 you start it and then after like 100 or so miles to clean out the head reaaaallly good)
10) bottle of marvel mystery oil (when you get the head your gonna need to take it apart and soak everything in this stuff lifters ect and pour a little on your pistons while you have the head off its good for the rings just be sure to wipe it off after)
11) full sonata head gasket set (comes with alll the gaskets)
12) aftermaket intake (optional but i dont think the stock airbox will work)
13) coolant crossover tube ( you have to have it our line curves the sonata one is straight)
14) upper radiator hose ( stock one wont work and neither will sonata so find something)
15) plenty of electrical tape (your gonna use it)
16) plenty of random wire ( you have to extend 90% of your sensor wires to fit and run neatly)
17) random nuts and bolts they come in handy
18) random silicone hose rad hose and vacuum line
19) all sonata sensors and emission control devices (optional ours will work and fit except our map/baro sensor doesnt fit there head)
20) arp head studs + bolts (optional stock work but these are better)
21) randome upper timing belt cover i dont have one so if you want one goodluck cause i havent found 1 that fits with evo 8 gears)
i think thats it ill add anything if i think of it but that gives you a good idea.

[midnight]

nice, i feel special :thumb:

[dGALANTc]

im sure this will help a lot of people its a great starting point at least. i intend on doing it eventually if i ever work out my current problems. thanks

[reiketsutsukigami]

np i tried to throw in some tips on stuff i figured out and was told so that all the little stuff was in here.

[midnight]

v6 tb check lol, i'm glad i didnt get the outlander im

[reiketsutsukigami]

lol ya it would have just become worthless.

[midnight]

what jy do you know of?

[reiketsutsukigami]

center scrap has a optima with the head last time i was there and theyre the ppl who i bought mine from you could also try rockrimmon and ill check fairview salvage when i get a little time soon.

[midnight]

thanks again!

[ShiZnitH]

Wich non-turbo DOHC heads will fit on my 2.0l 4G63?

[midnight]

i believe the evo heads and 98 and older hyundai/kia but I'm not entirely sure

[reiketsutsukigami]

i am really unsure about the 4g63 but i would say its probably a safe bet to say either the evo one if it faces the same way our 8g 4g64 does and a 2g eclipse head is it faces the other.( dont quote me on this though im not 100% but i believe someone posted something about this somewhere around here.

[Isaurio]

Good one bro.

[PrityG-lant03]

This is the whole parts list for the DOHC swap???

[reiketsutsukigami]

yup

[midnight]

time for extra hours at work lol

[PrityG-lant03]

yup

ur f*ckin awesome for this lmao..ive been lookin for someone to just post the whole parts list..thnks mann..wood this been the same parts list for the evo head swap or just the kia head swap?

[reiketsutsukigami]

i think itll be pretty much the same youll need the same parts anyways and the evo would make for a nice n/a boost iirc it gives u a 11-12:1 comp ratio but u might need some kind of fuel management to deal with the xtra power but i dunno you would have to ask someone whos done an evo swap like stewi or i think cali has too. the sonata swap is nice cause it lower your comp for more boost just the head components are weaker so youll want to replace them when you start making heavy power.

[reiketsutsukigami]

lol and i forgot to say but dgalantc hell if you really bent a valve with ur t belt stripped like that you might as well just do the swap.

[dGALANTc]

i was thinking the same thing myself. but at the moment ive got some issues to take care of first you know, so if i have valve damage (still dont know for sure) ill buy a jy engine throw it in there to last long enough to get all the parts. everything is kinda pending on the gf since im currently unemployed and its not as high up on her priority list as it is mine. :( im still uncertain which direction im going to go.

[midnight]

so reike does that mean the sonata head is best for turbo applications, what would be the difference between high and low comp?

[reiketsutsukigami]

no cause the evo head is already built but you would need to replace the pistons b4 you could run any boost so if you wanted to use your car right away i would suggest sonata. and with higher comp you have more n/a power but you can only put in so much boost lower comp =less power but more boost

[midnight]

ok so low comp=high boost, and high comp=low boost, i'm i on the right track?

[reiketsutsukigami]

yup and unless your diesel 12:1 comp + boost=knock hell

[djhah]

So would it be better to have low comp with turbo so you can fill up with more a/f mix = more power with sonata head?

[reiketsutsukigami]

thats the way im running its been pretty beastly and im throwing 20+ psi at it with no real issues.
and as for whats better higher comp will make more power but lower comp you can run more boost so its debatable but with high comp you can build boost faster and you still have that low end power you go low comp and youll only have power in boost just a heads up like im prolly gonna go to 9.5:1 when i build my block.

[djhah]

That's what i was thinking while reading this thread there is a 02 sanata in my local jy its the first one out of all three dohc swaps i have found in over a year of looking. I was just wondering if i should jump on it or wait for another? I am in the middle of a head gasket swap right now that's why i was wanting to do it now?

[Isaurio]

Just do it.

[dGALANTc]

agreed. do it now while you have the head off

[djhah]

My biggest problem is right now i am broke (like half the world), and even though the head is only 50 bucks i still will need all the other stuff to build it ie. Cams, sprockets, valves and springs, headstuds, then not including gasket kit. That's still ranking up there in the 3 to 400+ price range just to get her running again, it has already been down for 3 months now as time and money has not been so kind lately. I don't know about you guys but i don't know how much longer i can see her sitting in my driveway in pieces, its killing me not being able to drive it. That's my delima if money was not a problem it would be done no questions asked, lol.

[spdracr]

My biggest problem is right now i am broke (like half the world), and even though the head is only 50 bucks i still will need all the other stuff to build it ie. Cams, sprockets, valves and springs, headstuds, then not including gasket kit. That's still ranking up there in the 3 to 400+ price range just to get her running again, it has already been down for 3 months now as time and money has not been so kind lately. I don't know about you guys but i don't know how much longer i can see her sitting in my driveway in pieces, its killing me not being able to drive it. That's my delima if money was not a problem it would be done no questions asked, lol.

U don't have to completely build the head now if u want to just drive, then when u have more money take the head off then do everything u wanna do to it.

But I do suggest when u get that head from the junk yard to take it to a machine shop and check for leaky valves and get it milled if needed.

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[djhah]

Well i just did some pricing on cams and gears, holy sh@+ they are more pricy than i thought. Correct me if i read wrong but i do have to use evo cams and gears in order to use sanata/ optima head is that what i read? No local jy has any evos on yard that i have found yet or i would just go that rought = save money.

[spdracr]

No u don't have to use the evo Cams and gears to use the sonata head, that's what I thought a while back which was the reason I didn't so mine.

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[reiketsutsukigami]

you can use the sonata cams just the evo cams are much more performance oriented i used the sonata cams for a few months when i was saving up to build my head and no issues.

[djhah]

Sweet baby jesus that's perfect! If its still there after this weekend its mine... thinks btw that's what i was wondering before i got it.

[Isaurio]

I have a set of OEM evo 8 cam gear for sale dont need them since i got the adjustable. Let me know.

[spdracr]

I have a set of OEM evo 8 cam gear for sale dont need them since i got the adjustable. Let me know.

Why would he wanna use the oem gears when he can use the sonata cam gears and use the 94 gs timing belt with it ??

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[Isaurio]

True. but is all about the price. he could go eather way. 94 galant gs belt will fit the evo cam gear just fine.

[spdracr]

True. but is all about the price. he could go eather way. 94 galant gs belt will fit the evo cam gear just fine.

Has that been confirmed ?? Cuz I thought they have different tooth count.

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[Isaurio]

Yes is confirmed on evom. That belt is the best fit for the swap. the evo belt fit but very tight and you need to ajust the cams gear to -4. The 1994 Mitsubishi galant GS is the only 2.4L DOHC Galant ever produce by mitsubishi.

[reiketsutsukigami]

yea you need to pick up isaurios gears btw i think i mentioned it in the list but the hyundai gears dont match our belts different teeth shape and size or you can get the sonata oil pump and bottom sproket but thats more of a pain then its worth.

[reiketsutsukigami]

p.s. im using and evo 8 belt with evo 8 adjustable gears not too tight of a fit if you ask me but ehh who knows.

[Isaurio]

yea you need to pick up isaurios gears btw i think i mentioned it in the list but the hyundai gears dont match our belts different teeth shape and size or you can get the sonata oil pump and bottom sproket but thats more of a pain then its worth.

Do you know if the evo camshaft will fit the sonata head? Not sure about that since the evo ones have a more agressive timing.

[Isaurio]

p.s. im using and evo 8 belt with evo 8 adjustable gears not too tight of a fit if you ask me but ehh who knows.

yeah like i said it works and yes you need the adjustable cam gear at least one. But best fit and for better durability on the long run. The 94 galant gs is the best choice for the setup. I did a lot of research since i'm crosing over to the 4g64/63T platform

[djhah]

Dang isaurio i was just thinking of asking that.

[dGALANTc]

so let me get this right if you run the sonata cam gears the 94 gs belt will work? you wouldnt need the adjustables? i always thought you needed at least 1 adjustable to time it properly.

[reiketsutsukigami]

adjustable gears will make your life easier and you can pick them up for cheap enough on ebay and evo cams , springs, and retainers all work in the sonata head im running stock evo 8 cams w/ bc springs and tit retainers for the evo 8.

[reiketsutsukigami]

and no you cant run the sonata cam gears the size of the teeth on the belt wont fit.

[reiketsutsukigami]

not to mention the evo i/m will also fit the sonata head.

[spdracr]

From my research iirc both i/m's are identical

As a matter of fact I have both and I could get side to side pics for reference of needed.


not to mention the evo i/m will also fit the sonata head.



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[djhah]

So is the sonata cams, valves and springs good enough to run with low psi boosted or would i still need to upgrade them also as for my future plans are to be boosted, but that's far future.

[Isaurio]

Question is can the evo oem camshaft fit the sonata head?

[spdracr]

Question is can the evo oem camshaft fit the sonata head?

Yes

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[reiketsutsukigami]

and no the i/m are different spd the evo one is shorter by a lot you can't fit a stb with the sonata and yes i currently have evo 8 OEM camshafts in my sonata head. and djah yes theyre fine for mid range psi like 8-15psi is fine with the stock sonata head youll get more out of it with upgrading to evo parts but whatev.

[mrg7243]

yeah like i said it works and yes you need the adjustable cam gear at least one. But best fit and for better durability on the long run. The 94 galant gs is the best choice for the setup. I did a lot of research since i'm crosing over to the 4g64/63T platform

yes i got negged on clug3g for sayig the same thing. Isuario is correct. think of doing a t-belt job its a pita the first time trying to get everything tight, but now you just went and put on a belt that is meant for a block 6mm shorter than yours hmmmm well this puts alot more stress on the belt than necessary. So why not just go for the correct belt for little price difference. But in the end it could be cheaper, more stress on belt= belt failure= possibly motor damage.:clay:

[spdracr]

and no the i/m are different spd the evo one is shorter by a lot you can't fit a stb with the sonata and yes i currently have evo 8 OEM camshafts in my sonata head. and djah yes theyre fine for mid range psi like 8-15psi is fine with the stock sonata head youll get more out of it with upgrading to evo parts but whatev.

I was only able to compare them through pics only since I didn't have them in hand but now I could look at them side by side

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[spdracr]

yes i got negged on clug3g for sayig the same thing. Isuario is correct. think of doing a t-belt job its a pita the first time trying to get everything tight, but now you just went and put on a belt that is meant for a block 6mm shorter than yours hmmmm well this puts alot more stress on the belt than necessary. So why not just go for the correct belt for little price difference. But in the end it could be cheaper, more stress on belt= belt failure= possibly motor damage.:clay:

So u r saying the 94 gs belt is the better route, right ??

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[Galantman03]

I would say so, because the tensionor is used to tension up the slack.. so as long as thats working as it should. Personally, I would rather have my belt split 4 teeth and have it run like crap versus breaking and causing a total loss of engine lol...

[spdracr]

I would say so, because the tensionor is used to tension up the slack.. so as long as thats working as it should. Personally, I would rather have my belt split 4 teeth and have it run like crap versus breaking and causing a total loss of engine lol...

Very true

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[reiketsutsukigami]

if you can get the "right" 94 gs belt then definitely go with it but i got 4 diff belts from autozone and advanced and they fked up or something cause not a single one fit so i ended up going with the evo one witch honestly wasnt all that tight slides on and off without much more struggle then the stock belt had but im going to be going to the gates evo8 belt soon just to be on the safe side for strength.

[bigvic]

So with this head swap, should i still pass smog in cali?

[mrg7243]

So u r saying the 94 gs belt is the better route, right ??

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Correct it is the best option IMEHO, i woundlnt even do the swap till i had the belt in my hands.

[reiketsutsukigami]

@bigvic im unsure about that it's only adding a different stock part to the car but i dont know much about calis smog restrictions but i cant see how they would fail you for it.

[bigvic]

O ok bc i was thinking that if it has the emission control and all it should b ok, I was jus wondering.

[djhah]

Just curious but has anyone tried dsm cam gears say off of a 1g or 2g, or is the evo gears the best rought? Because i have a friend that has lots of extra parts that he was throwing out, i was wondering if i should grab some gears from him, incase i decide to do this swap instead of the evo head.

[reiketsutsukigami]

im not sure but i think 2g cam gears might work not sure though.

[reiketsutsukigami]

but even with the evo head you need gears no matter what block is 6mm taller in deck height.

[djhah]

So no matter what adjustable gears are the only way for it to work? Am i undestanding correctly, or am i confused now? I have one more jy to check for evo head if its no good it looks like i am doing the sonata swap.

[underated]

bigvic no you will not pass smog legally in CA with that swap. CA does visual and a 2 speed roller test. it sucks i know

94 galant gs belt works perfect... no need for adjustable gears either, but if you do want them look up Pro Street Lancer Evolution EVO Cam Gears i got both of mine for around 120. not sure how much they are now.

[djhah]

bigvic no you will not pass smog legally in CA with that swap. CA does visual and a 2 speed roller test. it sucks i know

94 galant gs belt works perfect... no need for adjustable gears either, but if you do want them look up Pro Street Lancer Evolution EVO Cam Gears i got both of mine for around 120. not sure how much they are now.
Ok thinks man 120 isn't to bad for adjustables thought.

[bigvic]

bigvic no you will not pass smog legally in CA with that swap. CA does visual and a 2 speed roller test. it sucks i know

So a hyundai or an evo head swap wont pass smog? Bc I heard as long as its the same manuf its somewhat ok bt I cnt mix and match manuf.... damn this sux in CA all these damn restrictions...

[Isaurio]

You could pass only if you have stock air box and you dont have any CEL. But is ok if you do a DOHC as log you keep the settup stock.

[bigvic]

You could pass only if you have stock air box and you dont have any CEL. But is ok if you do a DOHC as log you keep the settup stock.

Oh ok... hmmmmm im gonna have to do more research for now then. Thx anywho

[greddy]

been reading up on this for a while, I'm gonna go with the Hyundai head, just to confirm I can use the stock hyundai cam gears with a 94GS timing belt correct? and I would just run the sonta head gasket correct?

[troubled4g64t]

better off to use the adjustable anyhow for tuning and if your doing the swap do it once. And as for head gasket get an oem evo h/g guys are not likeing the cometic ones right now.

[Isaurio]

been reading up on this for a while, I'm gonna go with the Hyundai head, just to confirm I can use the stock hyundai cam gears with a 94GS timing belt correct? and I would just run the sonta head gasket correct?

Correct. But you need at least one adjustable cam gear 2 for best setup. The 94GS belt is the correct belt.

Pm me. I have some evo parts for sale that you could use.

[underated]

wrong!!!! you cant use hyundai gears or the stock galant sohc gears. you need evo camgears dont buy anything else. and dont but the evo head gasket. just get and oem galant headgasket they are multi layerd steel now. thats what im using and its working fine . even at an 88mm bore

[underated]

here is why the sonata/optima/galant gears and reluctors dont work

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b159/4G64T/reluctor%20and%20cam%20gear%20comparison/DSCN2849.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b159/4G64T/reluctor%20and%20cam%20gear%20comparison/DSCN2855.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b159/4G64T/reluctor%20and%20cam%20gear%20comparison/DSCN2856.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b159/4G64T/reluctor%20and%20cam%20gear%20comparison/DSCN2862.jpg

[Isaurio]

Thats what i mean. Evo adjustable gear. Is for a fact the galant dont work

[mrg7243]

Thats what i mean. Evo adjustable gear. Is for a fact the galant dont work

you need 2 evo cam gears one adjustable and one not or if you prefer both

[greddy]

Thanks for the info Brandon, just to clarify the SOHC galant stock head gasket will be fine with the DOHC swap? And I need 2 evo cam gears, preferably having @ least 1 adjustable corret?

[underated]

yep good to go after that. do you already have the rear water pipe and thermostat housing?