All wheel drive

[redblower]

You want mods for the 9G? Here's a good one...

A conversion to all wheel drive for the DB/FWD platform.

A lot of previous mitsi model bits just bolt in, or bolt in with light machining.



I posted this before, but in the wrong place so here it is again.


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The transfer unit clears the tunnel to the right side of tunnel...giving room for an exhaust alongside....bloody awesome!....lol
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/4859/dsc01949p.jpg (http://img64.imageshack.us/i/dsc01949p.jpg/)
Still almost too good to be true so far....
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It's all in there except for one little important shiny thing...lol.......the steering rack.....
http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/8500/dsc01960st.jpg (http://img547.imageshack.us/i/dsc01960st.jpg/)
Still gotta fabricate some 100mm standoffs to mount the rack...
Was thinking of steel tubes with a dual triangular lean section all welded to the x-member should do the trick..
That...will be an engineering job cause i don't have a clue if the steering geometry would be affected.
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/9743/dsc01962l.jpg (http://img33.imageshack.us/i/dsc01962l.jpg/)
Start with this perfectly good cross member.......Give it a wash with petrol and wire brush else you'll be cursing all the grease...
http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/796/dsc01968z.jpg (http://img547.imageshack.us/i/dsc01968z.jpg/)
Cut this much out...carefully...
http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/7686/dsc01971f.jpg (http://img812.imageshack.us/i/dsc01971f.jpg/)
Don't cut any of the back section for minimal torsional integrity compromise.
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/9760/dsc01972k.jpg (http://img524.imageshack.us/i/dsc01972k.jpg/)
then wack it all back on the car for the seventh test fit....
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/5259/dsc01989l.jpg (http://img256.imageshack.us/i/dsc01989l.jpg/)
Looks like a bum in a bucket after a little bit here and there...
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9985/dsc01986w.jpg (http://img221.imageshack.us/i/dsc01986w.jpg/)
rear view final...note no rear metal removal in this err...."advanced" re-design...lol
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Got the brother ex Tonsley round for a few beers and here are a few suggestions..
Steering rack needs to be in this position...
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/5240/dsc02038an.jpg (http://img508.imageshack.us/i/dsc02038an.jpg/)
Make a dual box frame and weld it under the crossmember to firm it up.
overall clearance reduction about 50mm
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/4842/dsc02039xz.jpg (http://img691.imageshack.us/i/dsc02039xz.jpg/)
another view
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add plenty of beer and it will all be good...lol
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We pulled apart the AWD hubs from the AWD and compared to the 380 rears and surprise surprise surprise.
They are interchangeable! All I have to do is get some basic machining done, relocate the ABS sensor ring and fabricate an adapter to bolt the rear diff in and presto! She'll pop the driveshafts straight in with a hole through the hub...
No suspension or chassis modifications , no brake work needed....even handbrake stays stock.
The 10mm shorter track will be taken up by driveshaft splines....
It's too good to be true....so many potential headaches averted..!
See attached pics...the AWD hub is almost a perfect fit (will just require a thin shim)
The longer I plug at this little project the more I am convinced that Mitsi had planned an AWD 380 right from the floor pan design...
These photos are of the drivers' side rear 380 wheel hub and the 380 hub next to each other on the 380 rear axle arm.
Note no hole through hub for the driveshaft spline ...cause in a 380 it's not driven ...lol
The AWD magna/Diamante uses the ABS sensor on the driveshafts whereas the 380 uses it on the HUB...
hopefully it is just a press fit and will move to the AWD hub without any drama....maybe just some heat and a love tap.
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Today's effort...had to do some work to pay a couple of bills...
Somethings missing.....lol
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/5261/rearaxleandtankremoved.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/i/rearaxleandtankremoved.jpg/)
There it is....only takes a handful of bolts, about 15 minutes and the whole lot drops to the ground
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3540/rearaxle1.jpg (http://img268.imageshack.us/i/rearaxle1.jpg/)
Do I see an obvious hole left for a future upgrade by Mitsubishi?
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/7035/rearaxle5.jpg (http://img35.imageshack.us/i/rearaxle5.jpg/)
What the hell...I can fit any damn diff I like into this thing, as long as the final drive is correct and the driveshaft lengths are good.
Nah...easier to use the magna/diamante unit ...for now...lol
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4691/rearaxle1editted.jpg (http://img411.imageshack.us/i/rearaxle1editted.jpg/)

[PnoyGalant]

nice!

[PnoyGalant]

Damn I wish I can do big project like this with my G.

[mrg7243]

wow very impressive i like it

[Stewi]

Nice work man.

[Isaurio]

WOW big project. post videos when she runs.

[RedGalant2k1]

AWD install, then delete FWD. RWD Galant FTW!!

[PnoyGalant]

AWD install, then delete FWD. RWD Galant FTW!!

+1=)

[M-Rod]

I like this. When do you plan to be finished?

[redblower]

I like this. When do you plan to be finished?


Three engineering houses involved


(a)
-the front x-member/K frame is being welded up at the moment.
-the rear axle is being drawn up then welded next month
-the rear hubs are being drilled/splined after the axle is welded


(b)
-the tail shaft mounts get welded to the under body after that
-the tail shaft gets cut/spliced/balanced April sometime...hopefully


(c)
The forged engine to power it all will be ready in two weeks...hopefully.


that's in a best case outlook.


what could possibly go...wrong? :orangesigh:

[cyuenchon]

I think it would be a hell of a lot easier for us Americans to make this conversion work, all we have to do is use the Endeavor parts..... our only issue would be the tranny (the Endeavor uses an automatic) and the gearing, both in the tranny and rear diff, unless your making your 2.4 all wheel... then you can use the evo tranny and diff

[boss102372]

So I have a 06 2.4l auto. Will the evo tranny bolt up to this engine?

[monnewbie3]

So I have a 06 2.4l auto. Will the evo tranny bolt up to this engine?
Don't think so.
I've never seen a 4G guy do it... And I don't think the 4G69 engine was ever jn the evo?
So imma say no, unless you do lots of mods :)

[Its Reu]

speechless

[echo12]

updates?

[reiketsutsukigami]

damn the 9g's gonna become awd before anyone finishes making the 8g awd.

[RedGalant2k1]

damn the 9g's gonna become awd before anyone finishes making the 8g awd.

That is because the 9G shares the same chassis as the Mitsubishi Endeavor (which obviously is available 4wd). So, differing from the USDM 8G and JDM 8G NOT sharing the same chassis. The Endeavor is essentially an AWD 9G Galant, which, of course is available in the US.

[Stewi]

damn the 9g's gonna become awd before anyone finishes making the 8g awd.

Dont be so sure about that......

[qnz]

Nice work. +Rep for you!

[9G]

get em stewi

[stayer]

Good job. I also plan to do AWD. It is better to use part of the Outlender 2003-2006. He was issued with engines 4G64 and 4G69, and has an automatic transmission and mechanics. Front and rear beam, too. Nothing should be cut. You can use the ECU to control 4WD. Drive, brake discs and 4 piston calipers well as suitable. Transmission Outlender is designed for higher torque. Therefore there is possibility to install a turbo or supercharger. Left to save a little money...

[redblower]

Have decided to use this rear axle from Endeavour...it is also PS41 floor pan...will probably just fit straight in.



http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/6786/endeavorrearaxle.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/594/endeavorrearaxle.jpg/)


http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/2888/380rearaxleps41.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/801/380rearaxleps41.jpg/)

[Joshua42007]

Very impressive. Subscribed

[redblower]

Bought an Endeavour wreck from a Texas auction, it's getting shipped to australia for me to dismantle.

This will be interesting as it will have all the ecu's as well.

[stayer]

Hey, friend. Is there any news on the project?

[Samman]

AWD install, then delete FWD. RWD Galant FTW!!

+1 ^_^

[redblower]

Hey, friend. Is there any news on the project?


The parts are coming in 4 seperate consignments from Chicago, Connecticut, and Carson.

The company i got them from failed to drain the oil from the differential and DHL refused to air freight it from Connecticut, so had to ship the whole lot to carson to go in a container by ship....60 days.

then the shipping company could not find a part of it cause they were moving house, but found it 2 weeks later and sent it on the next ship.

So about 30 days to go...although one of the rear axles showed up with DHL just out of the blue...


So I have one rear endeavour axle so far that cost me $500 including freight with DHL.

As soon as I fit the rear axle will post some pics...watch this space.


If i was in the US i would just transplant a pile of Endeavour bits...BUT...your steering wheel and brake master cylinder are completely wrong side for me...we are RHD in australia.

[stayer]

I understand. This is not done quickly. I, too, began to do AWD. More precisely, I haven't started, but already bought the parts.I bought the differential gearbox, rear gear in the assembly. http://s48.radikal.ru/i122/1110/ab/a2b4ecd52d42.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

[stayer]

I'm a little bit easier than you. I have a small car cemetery. http://s017.radikal.ru/i427/1110/cb/f0c2dca16fcb.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru) http://s017.radikal.ru/i433/1110/9e/33c6be1eeb39.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

[redblower]

I'm a little bit easier than you. I have a small car cemetery. http://s017.radikal.ru/i427/1110/cb/f0c2dca16fcb.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru) http://s017.radikal.ru/i433/1110/9e/33c6be1eeb39.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)



I know you are a very talented fabricator.

Try this.

Put the Endeavour rear axle in to your galant.

Put an electric motor to drive rear wheels.

I have been thinking about AWD/RWD "on demand" doing it that way, you could have the thing installed very cheaply, use Lithium batteries and they are very light too....LOL

[stayer]

Thank you, red! I thought about it, but I want a full drive. When I install the supercharger, I need to implement torque. I need a full drive. I consider the electric motor in the middle of the shaft. You understand, yes? If in the interval where is the pto drive shaft, install the electric motor, it will turn out Galant hybrid. Thus, for example in traffic jams, he will move on electric. Or for example budge quietly. If you need a powerful acceleration, the electric motor adds its torque for the gasoline engine.I will think about it. On my cemetery there are two hybrid. Prius and Honda.

[DTP]

^ Go for it! That would be AWESOME!

[midiser]

any updates on the theme?

[DTP]

How do you acquire so much inventory?

[DTP]

Thank you, red! I thought about it, but I want a full drive. When I install the supercharger, I need to implement torque. I need a full drive. I consider the electric motor in the middle of the shaft. You understand, yes? If in the interval where is the pto drive shaft, install the electric motor, it will turn out Galant hybrid. Thus, for example in traffic jams, he will move on electric. Or for example budge quietly. If you need a powerful acceleration, the electric motor adds its torque for the gasoline engine.I will think about it. On my cemetery there are two hybrid. Prius and Honda.

You know, i was just thinking... A hybrid could make the G a "sleeper," if you will. Instant torque?

Sorry to double post!

[stayer]

How do you acquire so much inventory?

Cemetery of cars not my business, I have a 30% stake. Many people do not want to buy new parts. The cemetery is in demand, part of the engine, transmission, axle, brake and other very quickly sold. This gives a 400% profit from the price for which bought the destroyed car. This is very profitable. The main thing that the cars must be almost new 3-4 years. Models should be popular, are not rare. Cars are purchased from insurance companies. This is profitable for the insurance company, it is beneficial to us. My main business is the logistics and cargo transportation within Russia. Tuning - this is only a hobby. In June 2011 bought a new transport. http://i079.radikal.ru/1106/07/038f38755931.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

[stayer]

A hybrid could make the G a "sleeper," if you will. Instant torque?


I don't quite understand the meaning of the phrase. "sleeper" - it's so slow?

[foxbrand]

no, sleeper means that it is fast but it looks like a regular car

[DTP]

I don't quite understand the meaning of the phrase. "sleeper" - it's so slow?

It's a car that you don't expect to be fast. Nobody can tell the work you've done until they're in your rearview.


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[eclipsh]

http://img508.imageshack.us/i/dsc02038an.jpg/

Will you be offsetting the tie rod ends up to match this? You'll have wicked bump steer if you don't. Also, will you be adding any bracing to the risers you've got there so they don't snap off?

[redblower]

A few days ago I had the Endeavour rear axle delivered to my door...finally.

The good news is as we suspected....it just bolts straight in...the floor pan is the same.


Unlucky for me the thieves that sold it to me..."Quality Auto parts"...removed the stub axles and hubs...however the frame bolts in as you can see...

http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/7567/380endeavouraxlemockfit.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/804/380endeavouraxlemockfit.jpg/)

Have decided to fly to the US in three weeks purely on a shopping mission in LA.

Have found a friendly wrecking yard that will allow me to have first pick at a Galant and Endeavour for all the bits I want.

Look around Carson after Xmas...that will be me driving the pickup with lots of bits in the back...:)

[midiser]

edblower
good luck with the project! can't wait to see it completed.

[IVORY_G]

Updates?

[#1GALANTFAN]

Yeah, how's it coming along? I want to do this to my car... someday.

[redblower]

I am still wrestling with the K-frame engineering changes.

You acn track me here...http://380db.com/forum/forums/forum-view.asp?fid=151