View Full Version : 5 speed swap question
I'm in the middle of putting a 95 S 5 speed into a 98 ES. I have the trans all bolted up, clutch master cylinder installed, the clutch slave cylinder bolted in and clutch line run out. I have not yet connected clutch line to clutch slave cylinder so there is no tension against the fork that moves the throwout bearing. There is absolutely no resistance to movement of the throwout bearing fork (that the clutch slave cylinder rod will push against once the system is filled and bleed). Basically the throwout bearing fork moves very freely. I expected the throwout bearing fork to have very little free play but maybe not? I am hoping it is just because the clutch master and slave cylinder have not yet been filled with fluid and bleed.
Can anyone verify this is the case as I hate to bolt everything up to find out there is something wrong with the clutch.
galantlvr34
07-14-2011, 10:18 AM
It has to be from not having any fluid in it,You are talking about when you push the clutch fork in to test the adjustment?
Yes I am talking about clutch fork where it meets the slave cylinder rod. I am going to add brake fluid to the clutch system and test it out today before continuing to bolt things back together. Got my finger's crossed.
galantlvr34
07-14-2011, 11:25 AM
Yes I am talking about clutch fork where it meets the slave cylinder rod. I am going to add brake fluid to the clutch system and test it out today before continuing to bolt things back together. Got my finger's crossed.
Yeah it will affect it if you dont have any fluid in it,the slave cant pressurize right so it will seem like there is no resistance.I was thinking the same thing put some dot 3 brake fluid in and see what happens.
Hooked the clutch line up and pressurized and bleed it. That took care of the slack in the system.
Next question. On the top towards the front of the 5-spd transmission there is an electrical connector that I can't find a plug from the the wiringharness to hook up to it. Any idea what this is? Is there a connector tucked away that I have missed? The only other connector on the 5-spd is one located by the rear trans mount.
galantlvr34
07-14-2011, 07:55 PM
Hooked the clutch line up and pressurized and bleed it. That took care of the slack in the system.
Next question. On the top towards the front of the 5-spd transmission there is an electrical connector that I can't find a plug from the the wiringharness to hook up to it. Any idea what this is? Is there a connector tucked away that I have missed? The only other connector on the 5-spd is one located by the rear trans mount.
That is the auto transmission plug it has no use for it anymore so it is just an extra wire,you can zip tie it up so it doesnt dangle.You hooked up the speed sensor right?
This is a picture of the plug on the top front of the 5-spd transmission itself.
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh133/johnjohnson1957/mits5spdswap007.jpg
galantlvr34
07-14-2011, 08:15 PM
That is the speed sensor.
QnzMostWanted
07-14-2011, 08:16 PM
that for the reverse lamps, speed sensor should be more towards the back...that is the same connector on the 8g for the reverse lamps
galantlvr34
07-14-2011, 08:20 PM
that for the reverse lamps, speed sensor should be more towards the back...that is the same connector on the 8g for the reverse lamps
Oh ok that makes sense,it looks like a speed sensor though.
I also thought the speed sensor was at the back of the trans but what the heck do I know.
So if this the reverse switch what am I suppose to hook up to it? I was thinkijng I need to figure out which one of the plugs from the auto trans wiring harness is the reverse wires. Then I guess I cut the connector from the 5-spd wiring harness and wire that on to the reverse wires.
QnzMostWanted
07-14-2011, 08:27 PM
if its anything like the 8g, it'll be pin 8+9 on the same harness as the starter wires...dont quote me on that tho
just searched (wonderful tool)
red/green and red/blue connect to that switch from the main (big) auto harness for the transmission, doesnt matter how u wire it, its just for continuity when in reverse
galantlvr34
07-14-2011, 08:28 PM
It is up to you if you want reverse lights or not.
Galanttuner10
07-14-2011, 08:45 PM
It is reverse lights. Speed sensor is a 3 prong not a 2 prong. It's worth having those lights and in peanotations write up he says how to make them work
QnzMostWanted
07-14-2011, 08:50 PM
its in my post lol
Galanttuner10
07-14-2011, 08:55 PM
My bad d I'm on my phone and didnt read everything haha
QnzMostWanted
07-14-2011, 08:57 PM
yeah yeah yeah, im only a noob when it comes to the 6g lol
QNZMostWanted,
I have been searching for your post on 5 speed swaps without success. I did go back and reread peanotion's 5 spd swap from the tutorial and at the very end there was an update that covered the reverse lights. Was that yours? If not can you provide me a link to your post? To keep it as clean as possible I am going to cut the original plug from the manual trans wiring harness and wire it in. Thanks for the assist on this.
galantlvr34
07-14-2011, 10:41 PM
QNZMostWanted,
I have been searching for your post on 5 speed swaps without success. I did go back and reread peanotion's 5 spd swap from the tutorial and at the very end there was an update that covered the reverse lights. Was that yours? If not can you provide me a link to your post? To keep it as clean as possible I am going to cut the original plug from the manual trans wiring harness and wire it in. Thanks for the assist on this.
This is the post he is talking about here:
red/green and red/blue connect to that switch from the main (big) auto harness for the transmission, doesnt matter how u wire it, its just for continuity when in reverse
QnzMostWanted
07-14-2011, 11:40 PM
yeah i posted it in this thread, galantlvr34 reposted what i said....
I got everything hooked up and rewired but she wouldn't start. I back tracked to see if I could find out what I screwed up. Couldn't find anything that was not connected. The starter, lights, radio, power mirror, emergency flashers, power windows were not working. The only things still working were a couple of the dash idiot lights, the interior fan and the back up lights. I noticed the back up lights were kind of dim so I checked out the battery. The car had been sitting for almost a year while I gathered up 5 speed swap parts and motivation to do it. Battery only had 5.5 volts so I know why it wouldn't start. I have the battery charger on it now and have fingers crossed that is all it is. More after I let the battery charge for a couple of hours and try it again.
QnzMostWanted
07-20-2011, 06:24 PM
GL
Check fuses, too. Look at the yellow one under the hood.
GL!
The reverse lights wires are on the same plug with the wires you hook up to start the car. The two wires are thin red and red/blue stripe colored wires
Problem with starting was just a bad battery. 5 Spd swap now
complete, back up lights work and car starts and runs. All I need to do now is adjust the clutch pedal height.
QnzMostWanted
07-23-2011, 09:08 PM
congrats!!!
My 98 ES with the 5 speed swap is now my winter DD. I just realized my cruise control no longer works. Is this normal after a 5 speed swap or is there something I need do to makeit work again?
yes its normal. it can be fixed very easily with the use of a relay.
the two wires, you put together to start the car, need to be separated for the cruise ctrl to work. when the wires are together, the ecu thinks the car is in park, so it lets the starter engage, but in park the ecu doesnt send signal to the cruise ctrl, because the car is in park.
let me see if a can draw a quick diagram for the relay wiring
http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af184/mko1234/cruisectrl.jpg
when you turn the ign key into start position, the relay will switch from the normally closed to open position which will put the two wires together and will signal the ecu that the car is in park and allow the starter to engage.
As soon you let off the key (engine is idling), the relay will release and switch back to normally closed which will break the contact between the wires which signals the ecu that the car is no longer in park which will enable the cruise control.
To use the cruise control, you'll still need the massive switch on top of the auto brake pedal since it disables the cruise ctrl if the brakes are pressed
It all makes sense now. Is there a particular relay you recommend using? Do you have a picture of how you wired this in?
This got me thinking. Seems like I could even wire in a simple rocker or toggle switch under the dash that would run between the two wires that got spliced together. With such a switch in place the following should result:
-With the car not running and the switch on (establishes contact between the two wires), you can start the car.
-With the car not running and the switch turned off (breaks contact between the two wires), it would act as a simple kill switch, i.e., a poor man's security system.
- Once the car is running, you flip the switch off (breaks contact between the two wires), you can now use the cruise control. Of course you would have to remember you have the kill switch engaged when you go to restart the car later or you are going to look and feel pretty stupid once you figure it out.
Thanks for the the help. If I am still driving a 7g 20 years from now it will because of all ofthe stuff I have learned from TGC. Thanks again.
vBulletin® v4.2.2, Copyright ©2000-2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.