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Stewi
10-02-2011, 09:24 PM
First and foremost I have to give special thanks to a few people who gave me alot of needed info and help over the phone while doing this swap. Cali, BostonHatcher (club3g), Balla4880 (club3g). Cali I actually took his back seat out and called me to walk me through the wiring of the awd fuel sending units. He literally stayed on the phone with me while I soldered the wires and checked everything. Also big props to Roman (Goosey2099) on completing the swap as well, we were going back and forth to see who would finish first. I just ended up getting luckier and finished it first. He did it in far less time though since he had access to a shop and lift and I was doing it on my back in the garage. He also did a complete engine/tranny/awd swap all at the same time which was way more involved in terms of wiring and fabricating is concerned.


Well I was gonna hold off until after MOD to post pics and what not, but since Angel started posting some teasers of Roman's swap, im gonna join in. The car has been swapped now for about 2 weeks. I will be honest, I was really trying to get the car done in time for the TGCNY meet back in July but when that didnt happen I kinda stepped away from it for a while mostly because I was sorta tired of working on it and I was working crazy hours and wanted to spend some more time with the wife and daughter. On top of that, I was buying a house and moving all at the same time.

With that being said, along the way I did some things that I thought were "right" or "correct" that ended up being not to my liking. For example, I made an adapter to bolt to the rack to extend the shaft to attach to the column. Good idea except it needed to have a u-joint on it and due to the factory column having a u-joint at the bottom, it would bind up all the time. So I had to re-do that.

Next, I made a bolt-on subframe brace to allow for easy removal of the t-case for service purposes. The first version of this was made of round steel tubing that ended up being too thin of a wall thickness and not strong enough. The latest version is .125" wall 1"x1" steel square tubing with .250" wall round tube mounting points. This version is plenty strong, kinda heavy at about 20lbs. With this I added another brace to the top of the subframe, nothing fancy, just a single square tube brace to prevent the two side of the top of the subframe from pushing toward each other in the center. For now, the subframe setup will stay like this, I might make a complete tubular subframe this winter, it will all depend if I can score a tig welder for a good enough price, because if I do this, I will want to use chomoly which needs to be tig'd and it will need to be mocked up on the car.

On to the exhaust, my original exhaust "mock up" if you will call it that, was normal 3" SS round tubing like any other performance exhaust. I say it was a mock-up because I did it all myself and mig welded it and the ground clearance was terrible under the subframe. So I cut it all back up and did it over, this time I used some round to oval transition pieces to convert the downpipe area to oval where it goes under the subframe brace, this gained me nearly an inch of clearance. Its still low to the ground but I dont drive the car that often, especially not conditions where I would bottom out like that. The "new" or should I say current exhaust, is all professionally tig welded by my friend Edgar, who just happens to be a welder by trade.

All the pics and vid's are taken on my phone. I will try to take some good pics after MOD when things calm down a bit. Im not doing a tutorial on this, I dont have that type of time available, but between the info here and on club3g, its more than adequate to get it done.

Enough of me yappin. Two brief vids a took. Sorry for the annoying whining sound, thats my external walbro pump on its last legs, begging to be put out of its misery. Gonna swap it out later this week.

click the pic
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/EvoInside/th_IMG_0912.jpg (http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/EvoInside/?action=view&current=IMG_0912.mp4)

click the pic
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/EvoInside/th_IMG_0913.jpg (http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/EvoInside/?action=view&current=IMG_0913.mp4)


The donor....

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/EvoInside/photo-8.jpg

rear subframe after sandblasting, epoxy primer, 2 coats of gloss black, 1 coat of clear and 2 coats of chip guard. new urethane/aluminum bushings installed.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/EvoInside/photo-14.jpg

relocating the gas tank mounting studs. the holes are already in the body, just need to cut a window to drop a bolt thru. Once the bolts were in, I welded them to the body from the bottom and then welded the window I cut closed.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/EvoInside/photo-19.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/EvoInside/photo-18.jpg

rear floor pan cut open on the driver side to install the proper length studs,

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/EvoInside/photo-15.jpg

since the front most stud (closer to the back seat) wasnt meant to be there, you need to be able to hold it from the top while tightening the nut under the subframe. This was the quickest and easiest solution to that. Some guys on dsm tuners had fancy retainers custom machined, I wasnt gonna mess with that.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/EvoInside/photo-16.jpg

under the factory sound deadener in the backseat, there are two square shaped areas that are just waiting to be cut open for the AWD tank sending units. I used the covers from the 2g as a template and traced it onto the floorpan and then cut it out.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/EvoInside/photo-13.jpg

cover installed

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/EvoInside/photo-12.jpg

ballin ass FrontLine Fabrications diff cover w/bearing pre-load bolts. I had to have this...

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/EvoInside/photo-21.jpg

installed on my EVO IX rear diff

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/EvoInside/photo-22.jpg

test fitting the rear driveshaft and hanger bearing, about to weld the hanger bearing bracket to the floor pan

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/EvoInside/photo-17.jpg

firewall cut for clearance. this is a tedious process. This was the 2nd day of cutting. I ended up removing even more of this a little further back and actually cut straight thru into the car and made a patch panel in order to raise the height of the tunnel. Image where the airbag computer mounts, I had to raise that up about 1.5" Needless to say the airbag computer wont fit after that....

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/EvoInside/photo-20.jpg

lowered the steering rack mounts by 1.75"

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/EvoInside/photo-11.jpg

first subframe brace, el garbage. too thin of a wall, not strong enough, but it was good practice.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/EvoInside/photo-9.jpg

second subframe brace, nothing else to say

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/EvoInside/photo-10.jpg

revised downpipe with the oval transitions tack welded up

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/EvoInside/photo-23.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/EvoInside/photo-24.jpg

then after my boy tig'd it up. he's very good

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/EvoInside/photo-7.jpg

G-spot
10-02-2011, 09:29 PM
Yay great job so proud of you :)

P'NOYcaL
10-02-2011, 09:32 PM
wow good job bro! i wish i have the gift to do that kind of stuff

Skyforger
10-02-2011, 09:33 PM
This, is just awesome.

*brofist*

RedGalant2k1
10-02-2011, 09:36 PM
Great job Stewi!

And that is some great welding!

foxbrand
10-02-2011, 09:42 PM
WOW
Nice Job
:thumbup:

njjfudge
10-02-2011, 09:43 PM
Wonderful!!!!!

4g63lover
10-02-2011, 09:45 PM
Hot Damn Brian! I am so stoked to see this! Congratulations, that's really awesome!

master_visionary
10-02-2011, 09:49 PM
One day my 7g shall follow suit

Blue8g
10-02-2011, 09:50 PM
Rad. I want to see some numbers. (1/4 mile, dyno, ALL OF THEM)

DOHCstunr
10-02-2011, 09:53 PM
Damn. With a capital D.

You going to have the undercarraige lineX'd now? I totally would. Who cares about a few extra lbs.

wetamup2k3g
10-02-2011, 09:55 PM
Crazy good work bro, those welds are a thing a beauty too. Can't wait to see this!!

02redgalant
10-02-2011, 10:09 PM
*faints

this is awesommeee congrats

Stewi
10-02-2011, 10:12 PM
Damn. With a capital D.

You going to have the undercarraige lineX'd now? I totally would. Who cares about a few extra lbs.

You have no idea how many times I have thought about that. If I do that, im doing EVERYTHING. I will literally take everything out of the engine bay, remove all the suspension, fuel tank, etc and put the car on a rotisserie and do it big. It wouldnt even be expensive, it would just be about 40 hours worth of work to remove and reinstall everything.

Dominicano
10-02-2011, 10:13 PM
wow that i sfreaking awesome!! congrats!!!

Blue8g
10-02-2011, 10:36 PM
Don't do LineX.

Do POR15.

POR15 > *

zobgel
10-02-2011, 10:49 PM
I love you Brian. No homo...LOL

You and Roman are the men!!!

Galantfan88
10-02-2011, 10:50 PM
OMG...You guys are simply awesome. I give you guys so much credit in doing all this work and making it work. You are the God of all Galants! Awesome job and keep up the good work.

Galanttuner10
10-02-2011, 10:52 PM
congrats man. glad to see it done.

99galantES
10-02-2011, 11:01 PM
Sick one of the best 8g's ever

Corey2kG
10-02-2011, 11:23 PM
Very nice Brian. Very clean too. A+++++++++ can't wait til next weekend

kolio
10-03-2011, 12:04 AM
Congrats, now you can plant that power !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mko
10-03-2011, 12:09 AM
Excellent job guys! Keep up the good work!

Im soooooooooo jealous right now

Rach3T8G
10-03-2011, 12:49 AM
Awesome!!

IVORY_G
10-03-2011, 01:00 AM
Awesome! Great work!

Cali
10-03-2011, 02:03 AM
that's what im talking about Brian! congrats!

I was wondering what happened i hadn't heard from you in a few weeks.
awesome work!

skyhigh90210
10-03-2011, 02:27 AM
Damn thats just plain awesome! Congrats on the build

Reelax
10-03-2011, 02:34 AM
great job bro!

XxGiRLaNT06xX
10-03-2011, 07:14 AM
Congrats Brian! It was only a matter of time until you went Awd. Great work!

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Galantman03
10-03-2011, 07:19 AM
Nice bro!

M-Rod
10-03-2011, 07:48 AM
Congrats! Awesome job going AWD

Exhaust power
10-03-2011, 08:14 AM
Congrats! outstanding both cars deserves to be in a magazine or online article!

eclipsh
10-03-2011, 08:18 AM
Congratulations on your completed swap.

Am I understanding right that you lowered the steering rack 1.5 inches? If so, how is the handling, specifically the bump steer?

keith6110
10-03-2011, 08:47 AM
This is really awesome man. Can't wait to see this beauty at mod on saturday!

qnz
10-03-2011, 10:00 AM
ballin

phizzalot
10-03-2011, 10:08 AM
Very NiCE!!!!! Excellent work :)

valley8g
10-03-2011, 02:14 PM
Amazing...congrats on completing it

Isaurio
10-03-2011, 03:12 PM
Very nice. Congrats. Hows the G running.

Gtorque
10-03-2011, 03:15 PM
Your the F'in man!!!!

rowdyprouty
10-03-2011, 04:46 PM
Awesomeness........cant wait to see videos, etc!!!!!

xd_01
10-03-2011, 07:13 PM
Looks sick Brian!!!

Sleepervr-4
10-03-2011, 08:46 PM
Nice bro... glad to see you guys never gave up on it.

underated
10-03-2011, 10:15 PM
well hot damn, Brian you are the man. your car has always been a inspiration. i know your always working on the car any ideas of what next.

Stewi
10-03-2011, 10:19 PM
What's next? I finally want to enjoy the car!!!! This winter I might custom fab a subframe, I will definitely pull the trans and t-case. The t-case needs a rebuild soon and I need to remove the welded diff in the tranny.

keith6110
10-03-2011, 10:26 PM
What's next? I finally want to enjoy the car!!!! This winter I might custom fab a subframe, I will definitely pull the trans and t-case. The t-case needs a rebuild soon and I need to remove the welded diff in the tranny.

Track time! + please take videos of a launch. Should be interesting seeing a galant haul ass down a strip out of the gate.

Stewi
10-03-2011, 10:35 PM
Track time! + please take videos of a launch. Should be interesting seeing a galant haul ass down a strip out of the gate.

Ironically enough, im going to convert it back to FWD for the next track appearance. I had set a goal a few years back that I would try to get into the 11's with FWD. I also have a brand new pair of slicks already mounted on wheels ready to go!!!! Stay tuned!!!!

keith6110
10-03-2011, 10:39 PM
Ironically enough, im going to convert it back to FWD for the next track appearance. I had set a goal a few years back that I would try to get into the 11's with FWD. I also have a brand new pair of slicks already mounted on wheels ready to go!!!! Stay tuned!!!!

ohhh no. Can't wait though! At least the only thing you really need to do is remove the 2 rear axles lol.

Stewi
10-04-2011, 06:03 AM
ohhh no. Can't wait though! At least the only thing you really need to do is remove the 2 rear axles lol.

LOL actually those can stay in. All I really need to do is remove the driveshaft and install a custom cover plate that I had made for the T-case. Its only job is to prevent the fluid from leaking out of the pinion/yoke seal where the driveshaft usually goes.

qnz
10-04-2011, 09:49 AM
Ironically enough, im going to convert it back to FWD for the next track appearance. I had set a goal a few years back that I would try to get into the 11's with FWD. I also have a brand new pair of slicks already mounted on wheels ready to go!!!! Stay tuned!!!!

Lets line them up. I've been meaning to hit the track again

The Vee
10-04-2011, 10:39 AM
Nice work. Love seeing people still undertaking big projects on Galants.

Joker96
10-04-2011, 10:34 PM
just wow, awesome work keep it up!!

whokilledhoughes
10-05-2011, 09:54 PM
awesome brian....damm....im almost done with my swap (evo8)...and now this is starting to interest me....dont know if i wanna go down this route... cant wait to see some pictures of her in action.

duh2150
10-06-2011, 08:24 AM
Congrats! we need more videos!

mrjaydeeone
10-10-2011, 07:40 AM
Congrats Brian. Very nice.

badmitsu
10-10-2011, 08:58 AM
damn good work, gotta get some videos up of that bitch!

OMEGA PHX
10-10-2011, 12:02 PM
Congrats, awesome work, always raising the bar ;)

oakrdrs187
10-10-2011, 07:56 PM
More vids and pics.

underated
10-10-2011, 11:42 PM
What's next? I finally want to enjoy the car!!!!

hahaha i know what you mean

2002BlackDragon
10-11-2011, 12:23 AM
My pants just exploded... Too sexy man!

youngfab59
10-11-2011, 06:52 AM
WOW!!! thats amazing only you would be able to pull that off. Hmm that's definitely something to look into after I finish my s14.

jojo03
11-07-2011, 06:35 PM
Did you end up getting this?

http://magnusmotorsports.com/products/chassis/2g-rear-chromoly-subframe

Stewi
11-07-2011, 09:48 PM
LOL nope, not yet.

This is still up in the air. I want it, because its baller, it saves weight and it allows for alot of fine tuning, but at the same time, it creates a ton of drivetrain noise and god forbid I ever bend something by hitting a pothole or something, I would be sooo f'ked

phatblackhatch
11-08-2011, 09:48 PM
a little late to the party, but congrats!!!

Zseme39
05-07-2012, 09:19 PM
this. is. awesome. I've been wanting to do this swap as well. Is this all you'd need to do the swap? like what all parts did you need to do the swap and how much did it cost?

Blue8g
05-07-2012, 10:13 PM
More than you can afford pal, AWD.

Qs
04-22-2013, 02:33 PM
lol ^


damn ! gj stewie , :D
i started my conversion too but still early , only got the evo coilovers so far ....


so how is it?

u still running ur evo head setup ?

Alchem1st
04-24-2014, 11:55 PM
Hey, I noticed that you had to clearance your firewall to fit the Evo 8/9 tcase. Have you thought about running an Evo 5/6 tcase instead?
They run under the subframe in an Evo instead of over it so I bet you wouldn't have to clearance the firewall at all! Also, I bet an 8G GVR4
fuel tank would be a bolt in so you wouldn't have to cut your frame rails open. That would make the swap totally bolt in!!! Any thoughts?

Silvertune
04-25-2014, 11:56 AM
The evo 5 and 6 tcase is good for like 350 horsepower. Anybody doing AWD is gonna need more than that.

Galantman03
04-25-2014, 12:34 PM
Hey, I noticed that you had to clearance your firewall to fit the Evo 8/9 tcase. Have you thought about running an Evo 5/6 tcase instead?
They run under the subframe in an Evo instead of over it so I bet you wouldn't have to clearance the firewall at all! Also, I bet an 8G GVR4
fuel tank would be a bolt in so you wouldn't have to cut your frame rails open. That would make the swap totally bolt in!!! Any thoughts?
The main reason I didn't do it is because of what Silvertune said, but also in order to run the evo 8 case you have to drop the steering rack about 2 to 3 inches, and its easier to drop something than to raise the steering rack. When it was all said and done hacking up the stock subframe and what not, all 3 of us that did convert to awd went it on a custom frame so we could run evo front lca and evo steering rack. I think it should be tried that way this are more viable options for parts but I'm done with mine so thats not gonna happen lol

Alchem1st
04-25-2014, 06:34 PM
Actually the Evo 5/6 tcase can handle plenty of power. Its the ayc rear diff that has issues with breaking; but the Evo 8/9 diffs have the same gear ratio so you can use an Evo 5/6 tcase and an Evo 8/9 diff and have no troubles. Doesn't apply to you since yours is already finished as you said; but something to note for guys looking to do their own awd swap!

Alchem1st
07-27-2014, 03:14 PM
Hey, got a quick question for you! Am I correct in saying that for the rear end part of the awd swap, everything was bolt up except for the 2G fuel tank?
If the fuel tank is the only problem part of the rear end, I might have my buddy pick one up for us to swap in before he buys a the rear end so we can knock
the hard part out first. Does the harness need to be modified at all or are the connectors all the same? Was gonna pm you but I figured it might be relevant info
for others reading your thread.

Galantman03
07-27-2014, 04:02 PM
Hey, got a quick question for you! Am I correct in saying that for the rear end part of the awd swap, everything was bolt up except for the 2G fuel tank?
No, that was the only thing that was in a bolt in affair. I still ended up drilling another hole for one of the tank straps. The rear end isn't a bolt up thing, gott so some cutting and relocation of some bolts in the body

If the fuel tank is the only problem part of the rear end, I might have my buddy pick one up for us to swap in before he buys a the rear end so we can knock
the hard part out first. Does the harness need to be modified at all or are the connectors all the same? Was gonna pm you but I figured it might be relevant info
for others reading your thread.
Its easier to do it all at once, trust me. what do you mean by harness? you have to cut and splice the tank harness into the the galants wiring.

Alchem1st
07-27-2014, 04:58 PM
Oh, so adding the bolts to the frame rails is for the subframe as well then? I misunderstood and thought it was only for the fuel tank mounts.
It mentions relocating fuel tank bolts on the first page though, so what's that about? Yeah, it's just cost concerns. Pretty much he won't be
buying a donor car; so I figured we'd grab a piece at a time from the pull yard starting with the fuel system. The wiring harness is what I meant.
So you used 2G fuel tank wiring and just spliced it in place of the Galant wiring? That's easy enough then. I wasn't sure if the Galants wiring for
the fuel tank was the same as the 2G's or not. How much did you use from the 2G? I have to grab a pair of fuel pump pigtails for my Mirage build
anyway, (2G connectors are the same as Evo 4-6.5) so I'll probably just grab the harness off of a 3rd 2G for the Galant project.

Galantman03
07-27-2014, 07:07 PM
Its kinda hard to explain as I don't think any of us 4 did the same thing on each conversion lol. but yes you have to move body studs for the subframe to bolt up and do some cutting and clearancing for the tcase up front. best thing to do is look through the build threads

Alchem1st
07-27-2014, 08:21 PM
Its kinda hard to explain as I don't think any of us 4 did the same thing on each conversion lol. but yes you have to move body studs for the subframe to bolt up and do some cutting and clearancing for the tcase up front. best thing to do is look through the build threads

Haha fair enough! I know how it is lol. Will do!

kylecanthurdle
07-28-2014, 09:10 PM
Its kinda hard to explain as I don't think any of us 4 did the same thing on each conversion lol. but yes you have to move body studs for the subframe to bolt up and do some cutting and clearancing for the tcase up front. best thing to do is look through the build threads

where abouts did you guys get your front subframes made up? i know it was a group buy made from chrome moly but i cant seem to remember where brian said he got his.

Galantman03
07-28-2014, 10:21 PM
brian roman and I all went in on it. https://www.facebook.com/NrgTechRacing?fref=nf

AcedAutoWorx
12-01-2015, 06:44 PM
nice build i have been looking for some more pics of your and goosey's build. i have searched and search and found a few pics but not the build thread any way you guy could help me out a bit please. and trust me i have searched and search using the search tools with no luck. i currently have the engine in the car currently and i am working on the crossmembers now.