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Looking good so far! I'm confident that you know what you're doing, just don't rush it homie.
coming together nicely
Thanks guys, I've got about 5 days until MOD, so I'm really hoping to wrap things up.
I have tuned a big maps patch with the GTS ecu (the auto to manual rewire was such a pain in the ass).
All my intercooler piping/setup welded
Exhaust manifolds welded up complete with wastegate piping
Fuel with an fittings, pump, regulator all setup
3in downpipe and full exhaust is welded
Mishimoto evo5 radiator is in with fans wired to original fan controller box
Intake piping with welded recirculating pipe is together
3kgt vr4 injector resistor pack is installed with each injector rewired
Each injector needed to be rewired with dsm injector wires, hopefully it's just a simple circuit and I have the wiring correct =/
Engine is completely torqued to spec and timed correctly
Still need to:
Weld the bov adapter to the intercooler piping near the TB
Push my "Tuned" big maps to the GTS ecu (already did a successful test write)
Tuck the wiring a bit more so it's functional and safe with the extra clutter from the turbo setup
Wire in my gauges so I can read wideband tables and monitor the engine
Find a belt that fits my ac delete (BJ's setup was too small, realized he has the 3sx pulley)
Buy another weld in o2 bung and weld it for the rear o2
Install oil pan and weld in 10an fitting (6g72 upper oil pan did not clear the crank =(
Run the an line for the oil feed
Make a bracket to hold the turbo up to prevent manifold cracking.
Pretty sure I only have another 20 man hours to do it all lol.
^ keep it up
did you start it
For those who have not saw the build on GT:
Here's an update, still not running though =/ Going to finish the pinout this weekend and give it another go.
This is my new exhaust setup:
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...2/IMG_0976.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...2/IMG_0972.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...2/IMG_0977.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...2/IMG_0979.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...2/IMG_0974.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...2/IMG_0973.jpg
This is the 3000gt resistor pack I had installed so I can use low impedance injectors (evo/dsm).
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...2/IMG_1026.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...2/IMG_1024.jpg
Soldered the fuel wiring together, didn't want to chance a leaned out cylinder. I also found out that I needed to wire in different connectors to fit the evo injectors.
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...2/IMG_1030.jpg
Mid ecu pinout/swap lol (Point of no return)
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...2/IMG_1032.jpg
I was planning on going under the axle with the exhaust but decided not to for now. The 3in looked pretty low and I didn't want to scrape anywhere.
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...2/IMG_1034.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...2/IMG_1035.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...2/IMG_1036.jpg
Intercooler / bov mockup:
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...2/IMG_1004.jpg
Tial 38mm wastegate setup:
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...2/IMG_1037.jpg
The gf caught me wiring lol!
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...2/IMG_1042.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...2/IMG_0991.jpg
Made adjustments to the megan headers instead of going with the mx6 restricted setup:
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...2/IMG_1005.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...2/IMG_1023.jpg
Turbo and oil lines in:
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...2/IMG_1063.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...2/IMG_1064.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...2/IMG_1065.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...2/IMG_1066.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...2/IMG_1067.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...2/IMG_1068.jpg
Tial wastegate setup from under the car:
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...2/IMG_1070.jpg
Pipes were close, but squeezed the 2.5in hot side with the 3in exit between the oil pan and the I beam:
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...2/IMG_1071.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...2/IMG_1072.jpg
Intercooler passenger side under the car:
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...2/IMG_1073.jpg
AC Delete belt:
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...2/IMG_1074.jpg
Hole in the FPR diaphragm =(
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...2/IMG_1076.jpg
Mishimoto fan wiring / setup:
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...2/IMG_1069.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...2/IMG_0989.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...2/IMG_0990.jpg
Got it running finally, found that I was only running on 4 cylinders
Yes it flooded itself out lol.
No video after, but I had to change the disc within the distributor to the GTS eclipse one instead of using the 6g74 disc. Runs nice and smooth now, just have a problem with the TPS sensor reading 100% throttle when it is simply connected.
Nice. Dude. It sound like a helicopter.
A little rich on the AFR. Take a another video when is smooth.
Great job man!
nice job KiethQuote:
Originally Posted by Isaurio
yeah, when I had a misfire on #5, it sounded like this but with a slower tempo (still like a helicopter), but hey, your the first (to my knowledge) to have a turbo 3.5 liter in a Galant, this is great progress anyway
Hope you're planning an oil cooler.
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n...-dance-gif.gif
This is how your update makes me feel... Freakin' love this car
^ Lmaoo. Glad you finally got it running. Get another video up if you can.
Why no mandrel bent tubing at all?
Lol!! Thanks guys. Love the Carlson gif.
There are some mandrel bends btw. The header setup and downpipe had some mandrel bends. The rest of the bends were just not what I needed to make it fit right.
Silvertune, I didn't install it yet but I do have a 6an 10 row oil cooler that I'm going to hook up and use.
I didn't even realize it but I had to TPS upside down. Comes up in evoscan fine and I happen to notice marks on the TB. This entire build is really stressing me out so I'm just overlooking things.
Anyway, I have fouled plugs now so I'll be doing that next and hopefully tune it from there.
Good job bro. Not sure if is the mic of the phone. But why the rev sounds like that?
You have officially done the single worst thing you can do to a new motor next overheating it. If it's throwing black smoke you need to stop despite the novelty of having your engine running. Seriously, how can you actually put an engine together but not have read up on how to break it in?
Besides that, the lack of mandrel bends is going to give you enough back pressure to cause reversion. THERE IS SCIENCE INVOLVED holy eff. It doesn't matter how big your pipe diameter is, cutting angles like that and doing so in such great multitude is going to make your exhaust a resonance tunnel. Your EGT's will be legendary. I really hope you're planning on running E85 or better.
I'd have gone with totally different route for the piping both cold and hot side, but as long as you're happy with it its all good. I hope you chose the shortest route for the oil drain line too and maybe fab up some heat shield for the filter
Looks awesome btw
Huh? My brother's gsx runs fine at 30psi and it ran pig rich just like mine is now when the motor was new? Is the 3.5l a glass engine? Also his exhaust is much the same and he's running pump 93. Should I redo both cars? LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Silvertune
Anyway, total running time on the engine is around 5 minutes. I've already changed the oil since it was running on 4 cylinders before when I was having problems with my spark.
I originally had it planned differently, but maybe I'll change it later.Quote:
Originally Posted by mko
Couldn't find a tight enough radius bend in the size you running? You could have always done the pie cut to make it tighter.
he can add them later
dude, it honestly sounds like your plugs are firing on the exhaust stroke to me, I had some weird ignition wire failure/error back in 09 and the car souned very much like that, although it wasn't smoking
what's the reading from your wideband anyway?
I just watched the videos and i have a few suggestions.
- what injectors are you running? if you have bigger injectors how do you compensate for them.
- I'd assume you're using 74 crank trigger plate, right? IDK if it matters using 74 distributor with it.
- Double check timing marks, I hope you spun the engine by hand after installing the timing belt.
- What psi is your AFPR set to with the vac line crimped?
- Make sure the firing order at the distributor is correct.
- Make sure the injector plugs are at the correct spots and that you get +12V on all 6 outgoing wires of the resistor box.
- Connect the MAF to the throttle body, just for troubleshooting purposes, to eliminate any possible post MAS leaks causing rich conditions.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mko
Mko,
I am running evo 560cc injectors. I have went into the rom and changed the cc's to 513 (Psiproformance had told me when we were getting my brothers car tuned that the injectors run much better at 500cc than they do when you put in 560cc)
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...psInjector.jpg
On the left is the stock Big maps and on the right is my modified injector voltage and injector cc's. The injector voltage values were taken from a stock evo rom.
Correct I am using the 6g74 crank plate for the CPS. My distributor is now the 6g72 gts because I'm using the 6g72 cams.
I double checked, triple checked my timing marks. I have spun the engine around probably 50+ times lol, no joke. All marks are spot on.
I have my FPR set to 42 lbs. I think stock is even higher. With the Vac line crimped... I didn't even check.
I'll check the voltage coming out of the resistor pack. I assume they are 12v since the resistor pack is only supposed to change the ohm output. I'll also double check my injector grounds to make sure they are place correctly.
I'll move the maf if none of this is works out for me lol.
Thanks for chiming in, hopefully I can narrow down my problem here.
Did the ecu give you your fuel trims? Make sure you dont have to much timing on the maps from 5 to 40 load and 750 to 1000 rpm. What are your spark plugs gap?
The ecu did not give me my fuel trims. Not even sure how I would accomplish that.
The timing maps are almost what the stock big maps had. I can probably change the values so they are not as advanced. I also put my MAF scaling changes in this picture. The original on the left and my values on the right (copied from an evo rom because I was originally using the evo 399 maf). I am now using the 482 MAF so I should probably change the values back.
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...sMafTiming.jpg
it shouldnt matter what cams you're using - I say give it a try and pop the 74 distributor in there and see what happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by keith6110
Quote:
Originally Posted by keith6110
it should be 45-50 psi with the vac line crimped ( I usually use pliers to squeeze the line). When you let go of the line, the vacuum should pull it down to 40psi. Your fuel pressure right now proly sits at 35psi....way too low. It doesnt matter that its boosted now, the stock ECU still wants to see 45-50psi.
Ok, injectors dont have grounds. One wire comes from the resistor pack which supplies constant +12V and the other wire is the control wire from the ECU. It goes 0V and 12V - zero volts open the injector and 12V close the injector.Quote:
Originally Posted by keith6110
ahh okay. I had thought the ecu "activates" the ground for each injector which would then give a reading of 0v.
I will try the crimping the vacuum line to see where the needle goes and see where it drops back down to and adjust accordingly.
Silvertune had given me advice to use the 6g72 distributor because of the way the key lines up with the cam. He had said the distributor would be off 60 degree's unless I used the 6g74 cams. Makes sense to me that I would have to use whichever distributor that was designed for whichever cam mark. I can try this if all else fails though.
Quote:
Originally Posted by foxbrand
My wideband sits in the 12's at idle. I haven't checked it since I fixed the TPS problem, so it could be different. I haven't been home since last Sunday so I would have to ask my brother to see what it says.
What was your fix for the firing on the exhaust stroke?
Did you disconnect the battery after making changes to the ROM. I dont think the ECU recognizes these 560cc.
I did not do that yet. My battery has been dead most of this build lol. So you think even though the changes have been uploaded, it has not recognized the changes yet? I know the immobilizer Silvertune had be change worked because I had spark after.
yeap
If you changed the all the bit from table FAA and you put the same hex all across is the wrong way to disable the immb. It works because you are disabling a bunch of instructions use by the ecu at that memory location. Thats a bandaid approach. But i dont think thats your problem.
Your problem is a few things all together both ecu and mechanical.
Check the mechanical part first. Spark plug gap to all fuel to air sensors. Maf, map, tps, all o2 sensor, ignition etc. when thats 100% then check ecu. I would start with stock pcm you had. Since you never will hit boost level > 100% loads, is a good testing with stock pcm. All you need is transfer injector latency, scaling, maf scaling, smoothing. I will leave the pcm do its job of getting info for all sensors and get you fuel trims to see what you need to adjust. Most likely injectors.
Just some info to help you spot errors.
Alrighty, I'll also give that a go. Thank you sir!
EDIT:
Isaurio I'll run the stock maps and make changes to the injectors and injector voltages. I'll leave the maf for now because I'm using the 482 maf instead of my initial adjusted MAF scaling for the 399 maf.
The injector voltage on the stock pcm stays the same just on the latency side you change to the evos.
The maf put the gts maf with the gts values and try with that first. Dont put the evo values. Since you using maybe a stock map sensor with stock map tables values.
I'd love to change the Injector Latency. But I don't believe that is defined.
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...ectorTable.jpg
Thats the big map rom. It most be there maybe rename differently.
I browsed evom and evox. The Injector Battery Voltage has got to be the Injector Latency Table. Also I believe my values are wayy off which is probably causing my rich idle. Once I get the injectors dialed in, I think I'll be okay. I'm going to take silvertune's advice and get a new map sensor too.
Check this link out:
http://ceddy.us/tuning/injectors/
Perfect! That should help a lot. I remember using this when doing ceddy mods on the gsx, I just completely forgot where I got the tables from.