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Originally Posted by Johnathansgalant
also i believe all factory cars that i know of that have turbos are internally gated.. im not sure but ive yet to see one not internally gated..
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Originally Posted by Johnathansgalant
also i believe all factory cars that i know of that have turbos are internally gated.. im not sure but ive yet to see one not internally gated..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/RB20-T3-T4-...1QQcmdZViewItem that looks enticing.
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Originally Posted by Johnathansgalant
this car is from the mid-late 80s though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnathansgalant
even so -- the lebaron turbos ive seen have internal gatesQuote:
Originally Posted by bebopin64
also that t3 t4 is nice and so is 14b or 16g .
well it might not be his answer, but mine would be that megasquirt totally OWNS any piggyback ecu on the market.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnathansgalant
it is actually more expandable, adjustable, adn upgradable than 90% of the standalone market.
think about being able to run a seperate coil for every cylinder w/o wastespark,
running full blown speed density (like a honda, no more mass)
complete and mapable boost control,
unrestricted control over fuel enrichment and timing.
log all of yoru engine metrics in real time. all of them
its a pretty solid setup, just needs someone to tune it.
of course there are many many support boards out there.
Not only can you log real time, you can burn changes to the Megasquirt ECU real time! Not that you would want to be driving and adjusting your fuel maps at the same time, you would have a friend do it :P
I know DSMLink cannot log and make changes at the same time, not sure about eManage.
i wonder if there would be anyone in the austin area with any experience willing to help me tune it. I am thinking i will definitely get the megasquirt (with black case...sleeeek) because it seems worth the money. I guess for the price of a junkyard turbo i could get a brand new one that im sure has an internal wastegate for 75 more. I still dont know about the intercooler. What intercooler fits and will i need to mount it in the front or in the engine compartent for it to fit? so new final price im looking at:
Turbo: $240
Intercooler: ~$100
Manifold: $150
Megasquirt: $250
Injectors: $100
Final price: ~$840
For a turbo set up thats pretty reasonable compared to the $3k kits. I still need to know about that intercooler though.
i have a small 16g with an fmu and an inline fuel pump my air/fuel is at 10.5 at 7.5 psi, but i can run 12. i have the stock injectors. the fist turbo on my car was a 14b and hostley it worked better for a cheap kit. the problems i had over a year ago was, i was cheap so i got rubber fuel hose for oil lines going to the turbo. needless to say 80psi on a 60psi line dosnt work so i got stainless steal. then i had the same problem with the fuel lines so i did the same thing. all im saying is its not good to be cheap if u want relibilty.
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Originally Posted by seth98esT
Yah, but if you get your car tune, your small 16g will put out more power across the band vs the 14b. If your still on stock injectors, I would advise to upgrade to at least the DSM 450cc injectors.
My car used to run a 9-10AFR, but with my new chip I run a solid 11.4 with good timing and the power increase is like night and day!
so i should get braided oil and fuel lines? will i need a new fuel pump also?
aand i really need this problem solved HOW AM I GONNA PUT AN INTERGOOLER IN MY G WITH THE STOCK FRONT BUMPER?
Just cut the inside of the bumper a tad or remove the crashbar all entirely.
As for the turbo, dont get that t3/t4 you posted. Get what is proven and easy o find, ie 14b, 16g, 18g, 20g, or any DSM hybrid turbo. If your wanting cheap, try finding a 14b or big 16g in good condition. All would be internally gated and you could use a DSM exhaust manifold and o2 housing which are both cheap and widely available.
is it legal to take off the crash bar (the crash bar being that think going out in front of the radiator?)? and i assume that i need a dsm manifold that is made for a 3g eclipse because it has the same engine. is it ok to mount the intercooler right in front of the radiator, isnt it usually below it so it is unrestricted? then again i guess it only covers half.
what do you think of this one? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/14b-1g-ecli...1QQcmdZViewItem
I dont know if its legal, a lot of people dont use them. Putting the FMIC in front of the radiator isnt a problem. 95% of people that have an FMIC, it covers their radiator, other 5% have crappy top mounts hah.
And by DSM manifold, I mean a 1g or 2g eclipse manifold, they bolt up no problems. They just interfere with your a/c so it will have to be removed.
As for that turbo, it looks to be in descent condition. Be sure to ask him if theres no left/right shaftplay along with in/out shaftplay. 80k miles is a lot for a turbo, mine went out at 130-140k.
just get a slim intercooler, and hang that under the crash bar (bumper) - there is plenty of airflow that gets to the radiator via the top part of the grill, above the bumper.
theres no way im unhooking my ac. its 110 here sometimes. the ebay manifolds look only like $25 cheaper so i will hold out for the custom one that works around the ac.
this is great. my dad walked in while i was looking at turbos and he said that he will stop paying for gas if i put a turbocharger in my car because "there is a 70% you will break the car". then i preceeded to give him a long talk about the pros and cons and all possible failures caused by turbos and how i would fix them and what i am doing to make sure that the turbo will be reliably tuned but he responded by saying he doesnt need to hear that made up mumbo jumbo. i am 98% convinced that he wont listen to me so i might have to wait until college when he wont notive if my car is out of commision for a week. there is no way in hell i can afford gas.
i guess on the bright side maybe i can get tein basics and bodykits so i can have a cool slow car.
So get a job and pay for your own gas :)
Boosting isnt cheap, so if its your dailey, might want to think twice or get a cheak motorcycle to drive on the Galants off days.
i would have by now already bought a second vehicle, probably an early supra but i cant afford insurance on it. my only option as of right now for more power / speed is buying a new 4 door car as my new daily driver but i wont be able to do major mods to that either.
Ah man, buy a beater! By beater I mean a late 80s Ford Escort that costs you $500 lol! Put Liability on it or just keep it parked untill you need it. With a boosted 4g64 and a good tune with everything installed correctly, the first thing that should break would be the headgasket which is an easy fix.
Well other things could break but just Kevin(4-grim), or Peano about the reliablity. It should be very reliable but something will always break, wether its a year or 5 years from now :P
i know that in the uncommon occurances of things breaking i will be able to fix it but my dad will have none of that. im trying to get a job so i can afford either gas or insurance a seperate car. until then im going to put together a sort of "packet" explaining how the turbo install would happen what it would take how much it would cost. my best bet is just to have an intellegable clear explanation of everything it would entail.
i bought this civic for 900 bucks and its a 95,
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and it had a jdm d15b in it. t get 35 mpg, 15 bucks fills the tank and it will last over a week.
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Originally Posted by bebopin64
its also a 2 door though so insurance will be much higher. i mean what i can do for the g is just do 1 day installs until i get to college and then i can install a turbo. what are some good 1 day n/a installs for some good power?
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Originally Posted by bebopin64
what do i need to modify for the dohc headswap to fit?
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ditto.
am i the only one who sees how wrong it is to encourage a kid in high school to turbo his car when his dad has to pay for his gas?
Thats why I told him to get a job :biggrin:
its not like he is worried or at all influenced by the price of things. hes more interested in me not being happy. I believe that his thought process is that "cool car"="doing drugs". why else would he spend $11,000 on a crappy 8g galant? i could have had a tits vr-4. the whole car deciding process was like this: i told him cars that i liked, we test drove cars, i kept saying "that one is nice", then when we got to a car that i said "i dont really like this one" we pay and leave. he puts so much gas through his big old suburban, gas isnt really a factor. im not even joking though, he believes that a good car means i will be popular and do drugs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cali
I highly suggest you get a job. A good one at that.
I had a job that payed $12/hour, and even then my project took well over a year to get off the ground.
ok good news for me. turbo install is back on for january. thinking b16.
i was thinking of 2 ways i could mount the intercooler. i could use position 1 like in the subaru sti or i could put it where the filter box used to be once its gone like 2.
Damn could i get a dad to give me $$?
i wonder if i could skip the whole intercooler. i could attach the radiator to a cooling system right before the air goes into the engine. it could be similar to water cooling on the r/c boats i used to build. it wouldnt be as efficient as an intercooler but it would be cheaper, smaller, and lighter.
you could run water or meth injection, which would allow you to ditch the whole intercooler method. short of those two, you NEED an intercooler. there's a reason why everyone with a turbo runs one of the 3 previously mentioned ideas.Quote:
Originally Posted by bebopin64
oh yeah and there's that guy with the turboed 240 with no intercooler that someone posted on here a year ago that blew his engine a week later. so technically, you can run it without an intercooler....for a week.
water cooling seems dangerous though because if a hose comes off the engine could blow up. if a hose comes off the intercooler i just loose boost. so do you think i should mount the intercooler sti style or where the air box was? i cant easily get one in the front bumper and i dont want to cut things.
Attaching the radiator to a "cooling" device to cool the air off a turbo is not a good idea. Have you ever opened your radiator as soon as your done driving your car? At idle the coolant is 210*, thats not "cool" by any means.
They do make water to air coolers that you could use in place of an intercooler...but an FMIC is by far the cheapest and easiest to maintain.
Check out: http://www.pwr-performance.com/intercooler.htm
Why dont you want to run an intercooler?
my problem is space in the front bumper. thats why im thinking forget fmic and mount it in the engine compartment.
What makes your ca rdifferent then any other 7g/8g?
ur gonna have way less space in the engine compartment than in the from bumper for an intercooler...Quote:
Originally Posted by bebopin64
actually why are we even entertaining this? go do some research then make a decision on if ur gonna b able to do this or not... u don't have any idea what this is going to involve or how much it's going to cost (u may think u do but u have no idea). if ur gonna do something, do it right or don't do it... cutting corners and turboing ur car are not ideas that live well together; ur just gonna end up w/ a broken car. if you don't want to research, just pay somebody to do this for u. if u think u can do it urself to save, then u'd better have somebody w/ experience holding ur hand cuz right now u are talking about breaking ur car, and that will cost u more than ur daddy will want to take carre of... can u buy another car on ur own right now to drive since this one will b out of commission and will need repairs often (don;t kid urself, ur car will not b as reliable as stock unless u do a spectacular install and an even better tune)? if the answer is no, then don't attempt to turbo ur car.
actually whenever i take on a task i do huge amounts of research. this is my research stage right now, i have read articles and here i am talking with other people that have done this before or know about it (tgc). i will know how to do it and have everything planned out by the time the install happens. are there any intercoolers that fit the fron bumper without cutting? i am expecting to spend $800-$1g. i think that is a fairly accurate projection. dont think im taking this lightly.
im trying not to do any cutting of the body.Quote:
Originally Posted by seth98esT