Well Frank, since your a man who knows his biz, if no one else steps up by the end of the month, I will probably test the waters with VIS on this kit. I've been wanting it for awhile and if the other company that had the lip kit is too shady for me. I don't know if it's good news to hear that it's a full bumper versus a lip, we'll have to see. But this lit will be a much cheaper alternative to what I was going to do. (won't even get into it, just incase I go back with that idea) So hopefully the guy you talked to there, is up on his facts, so I'll get what I want.