why an SAFC? it's crap anyways...
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why an SAFC? it's crap anyways...
what afc do you recomend?Quote:
Originally Posted by peanotation
mass airflow translator gen 2Quote:
Originally Posted by da1085
or mass aiflow translator pro.
i recomend the pro cause you can run the GM maf or a speed density setup. which is like a honda in that there is NO mass.
i reccomend NONE of them. they are all for very minor adjustments and have no major tune capabilities at all. get a real piggyback like the emanage or switch to a different method (what john said).Quote:
Originally Posted by da1085
ok....i got really bored......i looked on ebay and thought that maybe other car's might fit...
the civic's has the three bolt patter but then comparing the two holes off the CAS to the three holes on the civic on, it looks like it might fit....the thing is small enough to fit to the dohc hole......other than that, maybe i'm just really wanting this to work....
CAS
http://i11.ebayimg.com/02/i/08/62/b5/16_1.JPG
CIVIC 92-95 NON VTEC TD41U DISTRIBUTOR
http://i12.ebayimg.com/05/i/08/12/4a/02_1.JPG
93-96 2.4L Nissan Altima "KA24DE"
http://www.clutchkitcenter.com/media...S25/NS25-1.jpg
http://www.clutchkitcenter.com/media...S25/NS25-3.jpg
The dist HAS to look like this with the trigger wheel.
http://www.roadraceengineering.com/e...cas-180out.jpg
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/2...age1143nf7.jpg
Try to find me pictures of a 4g15 1.5L Dodge Colt/Mitsu Mirage distributor.
Check out this JDM Lancer 4g15, never seen one like this before:
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...rtRamCAI_1.jpg
This one is off a 1.3L Lancer, might work if you grind down the metal around the trigger wheel?
http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sel...%20Overall.jpg
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-93-97-M...1QQcmdZViewItem
Ford Festiva booyah!
http://i17.ebayimg.com/01/i/08/ea/07/85_1.JPG
http://cgi.ebay.com/Distributor-X-2-Ford-C...1QQcmdZViewItem
Worth a try :)
How do we know for sure that a distributor will even work on the DOHC head if we find one that will fit? Wonder why Mitsubishi never used one if it will? I for one would still like to see this idea work.
The dist only runs off the trigger wheel, same as the CAS. As long as the trigger wheel on the dist lines up with the cam in the DOHC head it should work just fine.
yeah if that jdm 4g15 lancer dohc worked with a distributor then i see no reason why it would work with the G. im going to the junkyard this weekend i can help out and look around and try some things out from sum different shyt
hey...so you guys don't think that the altima's distributor will work??
Well I've been doing some more digging on this. I actually have a complete 4G15 1.5 engine that I pulled from my old Colt when I did the 4G63T swap. I decided to pull its distributor and compare the two. I noticed that the 4G15 dist had a gear on the end where the cam sensor from the 4G63 doesn't. They are both held on with roll pins though so I had an idea of switching them. I tapped the roll pins out of both and noticed that the shaft on the 4G15 dist is a little bit larger. I'm wondering if a machine shop would be able to turn the shaft down a little until the end from the cam sensor would slide on? I also thought of just drilling out the end of the cam sensor but theres not much to drill into and I'm scared that it would be too weak and break easily.
I will try to post some pics later of what I am talking about. Then maybe you guys can add your input to see if it would work or not.
here is a pic of a 1.5 colt distributor
this is my first day back on tgc in a long time, i did not read the whole post but i got the main idea. ive been over on 3geez.com for a while now and we are figuring the perfect way to dump or vacumme advanced distributors so we can upgrade to odb1 with tuneable ecu's for our turbo setup. anyways here is a link to the main thread, maybe yall can get some ideas or see how we modified our cam keys
http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18160
i will read this whole thread and contribute more detail ideas when i have a lil free time
i guess this is a dead topic. i been reading alot of the 63/64 threads and i am a lil lost. there are so many options. alot of times people arent stating exactly what they have as far as years/odb ect.
i have a 97 galant es (odb2) i wan going to swap on a 1g 63 odb1 head. so if i go to the junkyard and grab the complete head, why would i be worried about the distbibutor. i understand that the 2g odb2 63 heads use coil packs. but if i am unig a 1g odb1 eclipse head dosent it already have a distributor?
my only guess is that i will run into problems running the ecu because the odb2 ecu is designed for the coil packs.
if that is the only problem what about making a odb conversion harness like the honda guys do, i seen the pinouts posted. sure it will take a few hours and a lil soildering skills.
my odb2 97 64 wire harness has the 4 plugs correct? if i was using an odb1 1g 63 head with the corresponding computer that takes the 3 plugs, what wires on my 4 plug harness would ne left out? if someone does the leg work of the wiring ill take apart the ecu, solder up the wires to make the harness, test it out that it works, and send it to on of the many companies that make harnesses to make copies so it will be a pulg and play swap
You dont need to use a 1g ECU with a 1g head. Its easiest to use an ECU from a 2g Spyder GS. The whole point of this thread is trying to use a distributor with a 1g/2g head. Stock, the 1g/2g did not use a distributor, they used coil packs. You can use the coil packs off the 1g but then you HAVE to swap ECUs. If you can find a dist to work with the 1g/2g head, you could run the stock ECU.
Thanks Seth ... Now we're back to where the thread left off in the first place :evil: :roll:
alright, i had misunderstood. i was under the assumption that the 1g head used a distributor and the 2g had coil pacls. thanks for the cleairfication
have anyone tried the 92-93 hyundai sonata 2.0l dohc? it suppose to have a distributor.
You sure? Pretty sure it uses a coil pack setup.
actually i was thinking it was a SOHC 4g64 block with a 6 bolt crank, not even DOHC?... haven't seen any DOHC's but i really haven't been looking :roll:
A SOHC wouldnt be cool. But a 6bolt 2.0L crank in a 2.4L 4g64 block would give you a 2.1L destroked reving monster haha. Would be good for a bigger turbo that spools 4k+ as with a good head you could rev to 9-10k :P
But if your going to put a 6bolt g4cs crank in a 4g64 block, may as well just go ahead and use the g4cs block instead of the 4g64 block.
Well i was referring to him asking about the DOHC sonata engine, and i haven't seen any. as for me i'm not looking for a g4cs. all i want right now is a workable head for my other engine :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by seth98esT
Are you looking for a SOHC or DOHC, because i have an extra 63 head if you want it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Ice
The g4cs is a SOHC motor anyway. It shouldnt be hard to find a 1g/2g head, they are all over the net :)
are the heads the same between 1g and 2g? never really knew if there was a difference between heads, i knw there is a difference between blocks
1g head flows more. Has bigger intake and exhaust ports.
I thought so too but when I was looking up different models of sonatas, the results mention ignition coils, distributor caps and rotors for the year 92-93. I did came across something interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by seth98esT
Well this topic has been in the back of my mind for a bit now, but I had an idea that could possibly make the "easy swap possible"
There is a shop named budsmachine.com that dropped into gf and asked if anyone has done the swap and how they fixed the distributor problem... A few moments later he posted that he machined something to make it work...
I emailed his msn account ([email protected]) and visited there website which looked to be a very professional shop... Haven't got a reply yet but if other members here are still interested in making this happen then an email or a visit to the site could help us get this project rolling....
Just a thought...
quite intriguing ... I'll have to check out the site, good find.
I looked at that honda-tec, the only thing about that is by the time you bought the parts(unless you allready have the ems and things) it would be cheaper to go ahead and swap the ecu and cam angle sensor. I know some people allready have ems and this would work for them but i would rather swap the ecu since i wouldnt have the money to drop, but to each his own.
honda-tec ???????? What do you mean. There aren't any prices on this site.. who knows how much it will cost... I may give em a call and see if it's possible....Quote:
Originally Posted by bmxmike
He has a parts list though and i know for the engine mangment systems those are usually higher end of price range. Cause using the ems he has it costs around $1,200 im looking around to see if i can find any system under $1,000 cause i dont belive that the emanage can do the cop
OK, I understand that they could have used an ems to correct the addded changes that come along with dohc but still didn't see any prices...
What information would you use to rewire and swap your ecu?
Well this forum is so you dont have to rewire you ecu. Because if you do a DOHC swap you need a new ecu to run the cam angle sensor cause the normal ecu uses the distributor. On the ecu swap you just take out your ecu and then just rewire your wiring to the ecu. Theres tutorials on it.
As for the ems way. You hook up the ems system and set it up, then you hook up the C2DI(Digital Ignition) too it and wire up each of the coils to the C2DI.
Im confused, what Honda-tec? Who did this swap? Its by far cheaper and easier to run a Galant GS or 2g Spyder GS ECU then to go all out EMS.
Thats what im saying unless you can actually find a distriuptor for this swap it takes away from the whole thing, cause then you doing as much work as swapping the ecu.
You really confuse me man lol. ECU swap is by far easier and less complex then going all out EMS. And thats what this entire thread is about, trying to find a distributor that will bolt up to a stock 1g/2g head so you dont have to swap ECUs.
no thats what i was saying that using a ems is too expensive and more complex. Considering the cost for most ems that will work for this are above $1,000. Ecu swap costs tons less and if you decided to go turbo you can go to turbo ecu and take use of the knock sensor
Ya Bmxmike your kinda confusing things, and assuming that the ems would cost upwards around $1000.00 bucks but I don't think the person that paid these guys to do the swap would have given up that much money when he could of used it do do a motor swap or turbo system instead....
All I was saying is these guys may have a part already drawn up to machine because they say they were able to machine a distributor to fit into the 4g63 dohc.....
I found this information here =>
http://www.galantforums.com/modules....iewtopic&t=232