evo IX vs. X

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03-24-2007, 03:09 AM
anticon

evo IX vs. X

I know everyone has read about the new evo X. we all know it has a small amount of horse added to compensate for a small amount of added weight such as stock 20" wheels :smt102 . i have read that mitsu will produce a 5 speed manual tranny, and i have read that the paddle shift auto will only be available, which sounds ridiculous to me. many predict that even if a manual is released, the auto will be faster due to decreased shift intervals. even so, i would not want to own such a wonderous auto cursed with an automatic transmission. there is also an anticipated tuning issue that is blamed on the complicated computerized features implimented. I believe subaru will be redesigning the rex pretty quick, if they have not already. Mitsu bias aside; MR vs. STi (STi has a little hp advant), and reg evo vs. reg wrx. What's the consensus? Also, evo IX vs. evo X? I'm seriously considering getting a black evo mr cuz i dont want to wait for the X nor pay out the @$$ for it. ( :smt064 )
03-24-2007, 04:21 AM
DOHCstunr

its not an autmatic transmission.
its a clutchless manual.
03-24-2007, 09:03 AM
Cheekz185

Who wants a clutch less manual though lol...
03-24-2007, 09:07 AM
kolio

the older sti had more hp than the evo........ but the evo still beat it

evo 280hp > sti300hp
03-24-2007, 09:34 AM
jake26

this sounds crazy as hell, i drove few bmw's with clutchless tranny at my work ( i am a bellman , hahahha) and its sucks ass, there is no more fun with it anymore. when i flored the bmw, and when it was switching gears, it was reving up al lot and i didnt like that, i felt like i was in an automatic again..........it sucks :x
03-24-2007, 09:51 AM
Cheekz185

Is clutchless tranny like tiptronics?
03-24-2007, 10:19 AM
manybrews

some of you guys dont know what you're talking about.

True, there is no clutch pedal. But the system that is thought to be in the works for the new EVO is a dual clutch system like audi/VW uses... and there is NO better trans on the planet.
period.
If you think otherwise, you havent driven one.
the clutchless manuals that beemer uses is in fact a bit harsh, but this is NOT the case with the dual clutch system. Beemer is in fact rumored to be starting on their own dual clutch system to replace their current line of direct shift trannies. I have no doubt that the dual clutch DSG system audi/VW uses will in fact be the new standard for transmissions within a decade worldwide.
we're talking a 10ms shift that is smooth, reliable, and easy without ANY power loss. You can leave it to shift itself, or use the paddles. Loosing a clutch pedal is nothing to complain about, considering there is absolutly no faster way to have a shift done on this planet.
you need to know more about it? try these links.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-Shift_Gearbox

http://cars.about.com/od/thingsyoune...owDSGworks.htm

http://www.motoring.co.za/index.php?...icleId=2142264

heres a video of it.. awesome.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...+gearbox&hl=en
03-24-2007, 10:30 AM
9G

interesting.
03-24-2007, 10:34 AM
lonestar22

the DSG MKV GTI is actually faster than the manual version. no human can shift as fast
03-24-2007, 11:26 AM
glantv699

Quote:

Originally Posted by kolio

the older sti had more hp than the evo........ but the evo still beat it

*edit*

evo 286hp > sti300hp

:D that's better

I favor Mitsu, but I love Sti's and Evo's both for their own reasons.

I think I will buy an Evo XI which will be the Evo X with a service pack lol
03-24-2007, 11:32 AM
4g63lover

Re: evo IX vs. X

Quote:

Originally Posted by anticon

Mitsu bias aside; MR vs. STi (STi has a little hp advant), and reg evo vs. reg wrx. What's the consensus? Also, evo IX vs. evo X?

if you have an EVO IX, it doesn't matter if you have the RS, the GSR, or the MR. they all have 286hp and 289 lb. ft.

so Reg. WRX < EVO, RS

STi < MR

the only difference between the RS, GSR, and MR is that the RS is stripped, no radio, no A/C, no power options. The GSR and MR have cosmetic differences, and the MR handles just a tad better than the GSR.

The STi, would walk a EVO on the straight but on dirt, road course its a little behind. The EVO just handles better thats all.
03-28-2007, 09:24 AM
Jeffylou87

Get ur evo's now while you can... They're golden eggs right now... Trade in value just keeps going up..
03-28-2007, 01:20 PM
6G72gearhead

Guys with the DSG, thing Bugatti Veyron, its the same trans build exept with 6 instead of 7 gears. Mitsubishi is equipping the new Evo with the same trans they've been using in WRC for years. It also will keep people from breaking the driveline on launch, like many dumbasses do. A 6 spd manual will come, but mitsu engineers are working hardest on the DSG, because that is a more advanced and complex transmission, that they seem very proud of. But a 6spd manual will be offered as a cheaper substitute to attract a broader range of buyers.

The thing about the Evo Vs. STI debates, the thing is this, Mitsu uses the 2.0L engines that are legal in WRC, for its production cars subaru uses a larger 2.5L engine that is not legal in its WRC class. So yes the subaru has more power, but if you look at dedication to racer, mitsu has stayed truer with a car that is as close to legal specs as possible for a production car.
03-28-2007, 01:48 PM
Jeffylou87

Come on.. what else do you need to say besides 7 time WRC champion car?
03-28-2007, 02:23 PM
mapid145

i think wat ppl forget is.. mitsu has been big in wrc starting with the vr4.. its something that has made headlines since it came out.. when they switched to the evos.. it dominated it.. it took subaru that much time to make a wrc rally car just to give it a run for the money..
03-28-2007, 03:04 PM
Jeffylou87

Damn.. now that I think about it the 4G63 has been around for 11 years.. Until 09 when the X's come out..
03-28-2007, 04:12 PM
djoutrages

For the record the new wrx.....

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j9...rages/wrx4.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j9...ges/wrx003.jpg

:shock: Eww.

*hi res can be found here

http://www.taberwest.com/images/wrx003.jpg
http://www.taberwest.com/images/wrx4.jpg
03-28-2007, 04:48 PM
Kenneth G

yeah, dont like it at all

resize and repost those pics...
03-28-2007, 04:55 PM
djoutrages

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Originally Posted by dienekes1982

resize and repost those pics...

Done.
03-28-2007, 05:14 PM
Kenneth G

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ahh, much better. yeah, i still dont like it... is that the final product or is it a concept?
03-28-2007, 05:27 PM
djoutrages

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Originally Posted by dienekes1982

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Originally Posted by djoutrages

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Originally Posted by dienekes1982

resize and repost those pics...

Done.

ahh, much better. yeah, i still dont like it... is that the final product or is it a concept?

Last I heard final product, rumor has it the sti is going to be taking a break for a while from production. Subaru taking the mitsubishi route holding out on release of there top dog, I hate scoobies haha.
03-28-2007, 05:28 PM
Jeffylou87

damn i need a new keyboard... mine is filled with puke..
03-28-2007, 05:28 PM
Kenneth G

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Originally Posted by djoutrages

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Originally Posted by dienekes1982

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Originally Posted by djoutrages

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Originally Posted by dienekes1982

resize and repost those pics...

Done.

ahh, much better. yeah, i still dont like it... is that the final product or is it a concept?

Last I heard final product, rumor has it the sti is going to be taking a break for a while from production. Subaru taking the mitsubishi route holding out on release of there top dog, I hate scoobies haha.

looks too much like an old civic hatchback or a pontiac vibe to me...
03-28-2007, 05:56 PM
djoutrages

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Originally Posted by dienekes1982

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Originally Posted by djoutrages

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Originally Posted by dienekes1982

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Originally Posted by djoutrages

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Originally Posted by dienekes1982

resize and repost those pics...

Done.

ahh, much better. yeah, i still dont like it... is that the final product or is it a concept?

Last I heard final product, rumor has it the sti is going to be taking a break for a while from production. Subaru taking the mitsubishi route holding out on release of there top dog, I hate scoobies haha.

looks too much like an old civic hatchback or a pontiac vibe to me...

Looks like the best part of a Mazda 3 ran down the crack of a Ford Focus's ass...
03-28-2007, 06:05 PM
manybrews

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Originally Posted by Jeffylou87

Damn.. now that I think about it the 4G63 has been around for 11 years.. Until 09 when the X's come out..

actually, its been around for 25 years.

and the new engine is much better. technology moves on, usually for the better.

also, the new EVO will of course stay at 2.0 liters, but there HAVE been grumblings in WRC that the spec may go up in the near future. If thats the case, the 4b11 engine is quite ready to go with a 2.4 liter version hanging around, waiting to be used in something.
04-13-2007, 12:13 PM
WhiteGTZ01

Re: evo IX vs. X

Quote:

Originally Posted by anticon

Mitsu bias aside; MR vs. STi (STi has a little hp advant), ( :smt064 )

...stock the sti is a 10th of a second faster
04-13-2007, 06:13 PM
lonestar22

the sedan version of the new wrx looks like a suzuki

http://fast-autos.net/data/images/37210.jpg
http://fast-autos.net/data/images/37211.jpg
http://fast-autos.net/data/images/37212.jpg
http://fast-autos.net/data/images/37213.jpg
http://fast-autos.net/data/images/37214.jpg
http://fast-autos.net/data/images/37209.jpg
05-01-2007, 07:20 AM
milo111000

fugly wrx!!!!! ford's hot though..