RIPP and the TGC Misconception with regards to power 4G64
Hey guys, I have spent the better part of the morning reading the turbo thread on what one should do to build power on the 4cyl…. I very impressed wit the information being shared, but unimpressed with the facts being stated about our system.
While I respect all the packages and the combinations of parts being assembled, there is a huge misconception with regards to what we sought out to do. Our main objective was to create a clean and easy install with regards to a FI kit… that will make good usable power in a reliable package, with room to grow when needed. We had no idea of the lengths you will search to get a system to work in your cars, with regards to the combination you are assembling.
Some of you stated that “For the price you spend on the SC kit you can build a 4G engine, turbo charge it, and run it for a year”. Such is not the case, your leaving out a great deal of detail with regards to our product (no one to blame but us for letting the info slip here).
Our system comes with every thing you need to make it work…. No exceptions:
RIPP SDS Brushed aluminum (Supercharger Drive System)
RIPP/Vortech V5-G-TRIM Polished
RIPP Black Box electronics (Timing and fuel controller)
RIPP Injector for fuel enrichment
RIPP Blow off valvw
All hard piping Brushed aluminum
Fuel pressure regulator
Fuel pressure gauge
Walboro 255 fuel pump
Air filter
Couplers
Clamps
Oil return/feed lines
RIPP NO weld oil pan return fitting
ALL hardware
Belt and tensioner
Fully illustrated instruction
Tech line
1 year warrantee SDS
2 year on the Supercharger through RIPP
Link to SDS-4G64:
http://www.rippmods.com/products/products_...rs&productId=81
With 33 sold over at the 3G boards, we have not had one engine failure to date, same with the transmission.
We have been working with stage two and its doing very well, contrary to previous posts and assumptions from others, Stage 2 dose not cost $4000…in addition to the SDS-4G74. We are now up to 252whp at 8psi on stock internals, these ratings are on a 5spd, but none the less the WHP is there.
Stage 2 includes; (TBA)
SDS-4G74 Stage 1 $3500
RIPP Over drive crank pulley (TBA)
270cc injectors (TBA)
Front mount intercooler (pending introduction TBA)
Now, there seems to be a on going debate about the turbo… vs. supercharger, I will not start any discussion on the too, as that has been beaten to death…. I do however want to point out the fact that the system is completely plug and play, and that all the thinking and guess work has been done, and the cars run as stock with no issues at all. The main reason is we have developed our own electronics that monitor timing and fuel parameters while boosting and under normal driving conditions.
There is also a misconception that our system has “peaky” boost… Were exactly are you getting this from? As a matter of fact, our system will make boost very early in the RPM range and maintain it throughout the mid range RPM band, remember, we are performance tuners, so we made it the way it should be…. There is no reason to play with boost levels with a working system… only upgrades as needed. We would like to provide a working concept, not a hypothetical situation that brings concern….
There is a level of safety second to none on the market. All this on jus the 4cyl auto cars, there no buying internals or searching for parts on EBay, or junk yards…. I understand the kit cost more than you would like to spend, but given the level of education being posted on these boards, we would be willing to strip our kit down to make it more appealing to some of you...
Link to header program:
http://www.rippmods.com/products/products_...rs&productId=83
If you want us to further elaborate on this we will, if not let us know what we can do to root ourselves with this community as we did with the 3G V6 guys and I4 guys.
Your thoughts,
Ross Esposito
Rippmods
718-442-4723
www.rippmods.com
Re: RIPP and the TGC Misconception with regards to power 4G6
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"Now, there seems to be a on going debate about the turbo… vs. supercharger, I will not start any discussion on the too, as that has been beaten to death…. I do however want to point out the fact that the system is completely plug and play, and that all the thinking and guess work has been done, and the cars run as stock with no issues at all. The main reason is we have developed our own electronics that monitor timing and fuel parameters while boosting and under normal driving conditions.
There is also a misconception that our system has “peaky” boost… Were exactly are you getting this from? As a matter of fact, our system will make boost very early in the RPM range and maintain it throughout the mid range RPM band, remember, we are performance tuners, so we made it the way it should be…. There is no reason to play with boost levels with a working system… only upgrades as needed. We would like to provide a working concept, not a hypothetical situation that brings concern….
I believe this article should kinda give the most truth that can be offered as to how turbos and superchargers could best be viewed. The part in particular I found to be the most informative was this.
http://www.t04r.com/techturbovssuper.html
Because of the direct drive nature of a supercharger, flow and pressure generated by the supercharger increases in direct proportion to crank and hence engine revolutions. If an engine redlines at X rpm, the maximum boost (Z) that the engine will tolerate will also be set to coincide with X rpm, so that you are neither losing performance or damaging the engine. This means that at half X rpm, boost pressure from the supercharger will also be half Z of the total available. This is a disadvantage compared to a turbocharger as a modern turbo correctly sized to an engine can reach Z boost pressure by half X at the very latest. What this means is that if an engine redlines at 6000rpm and is supercharged at 6psi (a common figure), the engine is receiving 6psi boost only at 6000rpm. At 3000rpm the engine will receive induction air at only 3psi, and at 3500rpm would have 3.5psi boost. On an engine with a 6000rpm redline, a modern correctly sized turbo on the other hand will be at full 6psi boost by 3500rpm, which translates to greater torque from the increased boost and hence greater power at 3500rpm than the supercharged engine would have at 3500rpm from only 3.5psi, or just above half boost.
I'm defintily not out to be a cock here or say that superchargers suck!!! or be dumb like that. I'm just trying to say that turbos aren't a bad idea either if you've got the pockets for them. Defintly mad props to RIPP for developing the SDS system. If you want to make the car as fast as possible, I believe that a turbo setup would be better to go from though. Again, just opinon.
