im thinking about running a T3/60-1 turbo from XS Power.. i found one for a decent price but what kind of injectors should i run? how many CC's? and for intercooler. i searched but didnt find anything on the ECU.. would i need to upgrade it? thanks
Printable View
im thinking about running a T3/60-1 turbo from XS Power.. i found one for a decent price but what kind of injectors should i run? how many CC's? and for intercooler. i searched but didnt find anything on the ECU.. would i need to upgrade it? thanks
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...sspagename=WDVW
will those fit or be good???
60 trim is a pretty large turbo, but those 680cc injectors should suit it just fine. Just remember, the bigger the turbo, the more the power, the stronger the engine needs to be, and the more tuning is required.
i need to know real fast the basics to what i should get first.. im planning on probably buying those injectors and then going for the t3/60-1 turbo... after tat what would u suggest?
Theres a whole slew of parts you need. Mostly small parts. I really dont know what is needed to turbo a v6, but its pretty much the same as an i4.
You need an air filter, intake pipe, oil lines, water lines, 02 housing, downpipe, turbo exhaust manifold, intercooler piping, intercooler, bov. Pretty much it for the basic install, now you need a piggyback fuel system, and some gauges preferably boost and egt. A lot of thsoe parts could come from a 3kgtvr4 but they most likely would have to be flipped around to fit.
i dont think a 60 trim turbo is big at all for a 3 liter motor...now gettin sumone to make the manifold for u is a completely diff story...IMO that should be your biggest concen...other than that, like seth said its just like any other turbo car...talk to the guy over @ fiautosports...he may sell u a "hot parts" kit (manifold and other necessities)
good luck :wink:
all the piping and such will be customly done by my shop, but im gonna get the turbo and all the parts seperate and take them so that they make the piping... and i get the intercooler or MAYBE have them make one...
get between 310 and 400cc injectors.....
greddy emanage works fine.
if you have a shop that tunes the dastek unichip, i'll be selling mine.
but you need a shop that can tune it.
yo lei what engine management are u gonna use since yer sellin yer chip??
well its not a for sure thing, but emanage is where i'm leaning
kewl...ok sorry v600...btt
its coo no need to say sorry bro... anything thatll help ya or fill the questions u got.. go ahead 8)Quote:
Originally Posted by 8ggalant
so kevin, u dont think that the 60-1 turbo will be much for my g.. well it will be a lot but u know.. ima run low boost like 6-8.. so id like this turbo, but the thing is that i dont want to have to upgrade fuel system, and all the internals.. all i want to have to do is turbo, IC, IC piping, injectors, filter, water and oil lines, and 3 " exhaust. will my car also get the aggressive evo/wrx sound to it?
Quote:
Originally Posted by galantv600
the wrx has that sound because of how the engine is bro lol...i wish my car sounded like that too (same as how rotarys have a unique sound)...so thats a no...as far as can u boost 6-8 lbs with stock internals..i think thats highly possible...but i will stress to u that it is IMPERATIVE that u go ahead and invest in tuning (w/ a shop who specializes in the fuel management yer using if possible)...also imo it is A VERY GOOD IDEA to upgrade yer fuel system...the fuel pump aint that expensive and injectors...ehh u dont even have to go that big but they are a must...i wouldnt have it any other way on my car bro....i think u should think HARD about that lol...even rippmods adds an auxillary injector for use under boost
so in addition to what you plan on doing i HIGHLY recommend
injectors
fuel pump
fpr
good luck pimp :wink:
you NEED a fuel pump and bigger injectors if you want to tune right, don't do this half assed or u'll be wishing you did it right the first time. This is not a project you can rush...please take your time and make sure you have all that is needed before you start blowing shit up
True that...Quote:
Originally Posted by leicoolya
If you want your car to sound like a WRX, buy a WRX.
BOXERS ar the hotness :twisted:Quote:
Originally Posted by brandon
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(8ggalant)</div><div class='quotemain'>i dont think a 60 trim turbo is big at all for a 3 liter motor...</div>
Give me an hour or so and I'll tell you for sure.
Alrighty, here goes:
First we have to figure out the airflow of a V6 Galant stock:
CFM = ((3.0)(6000)(85)(1))/5660 = 270 CFM
In the above equation, I'm assuming 85% volumetric efficiency. Also I'm assuming 6000rpm as the redline. My bad if it's not, I think it's close though.
270/14.27 = 19lbs/min airflow. 19lbs/min = 195hp in that V6. Keep that in mind.
Now, looking at a T3-60trim compressor efficiency map:
http://www.majesticturbo.com/20272.html
Anyway. Let's assume you want to run 12lbs boost. I'm assuming 12lbs because you're using a fairly large turbo which means that your engine is going to need to be built well enough to handle some power. Might as well run 12lbs. If you decide on a different number, let me know and I'll run the numbers through again. Either way, you're going to draw the same conclusion.
So, 12lbs = 1.81 pressure ratio [(14.7 + 12) / 14.7 = 1.81]
Run through your airflow equation again, this time plugging in 1.81 in the fourth variable (instead of 1). Plot point (x,y), where x = airflow you just figured, and y = 1.81. X = 36.3 lbs/min. Flowing 36lbs/air at a 100% efficiency level would actually increase power by 80%. However, there's no way to flow at 100%, and no way to flow efficiently at all on this turbo.
EDIT: Just saw you planned on running 6-8lbs. I took the liberty of going right down the middle and plotting out 7lbs. Of course, still way too inefficient.
Without even plotting your next point, you can see that this turbo is much too small for this engine. Way out of its efficiency range, as you may (or may not) be able to tell. When you plot your second point (typically at half redline), you will see that you are actually smack dab in the middle of the 74% efficiency island. This is great and all, but that's not where we want to make power. We want to make power up top, where we can take advantage of not only the airflow, but also the momentum of the reciprocating assembly. One good thing is this compressor definitely won't surge on you. https://www.thegalantcenter.org/styl...ult/tongue.gif hahaha
Basically, this turbo can't move enough air at the higher RPMs to supply the engine. The air flowing out the turbo gets hotter and hotter as you move away from the center efficiency islands. You will be choking your engine at the place where you want to make peak power. At 6000rpm and 12lbs boost, this turbo would be approximately 50% efficient and spinning at more than 153,000rpm. Not good. https://www.thegalantcenter.org/styl...lt/biggrin.gif
I have a picture of my plotted points on the T3-60trim compressor map if someone wants to host it for me, so you get an idea of what it looks like.
Time to pick a new turbo, this one's too small. If you give me a little bit (I'm kinda busy lately) I will try and search one out for you.
I'd say go with the T04B in 64 trim....should meet your requirements and give some room for improvement if you choose to run boost at the track up to about 18-20psi. What do you think scootie?
Here's a decent chart for the Turbo selection....
http://www.majesticturbo.com/images/air-flow.jpg
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ChikagoGTZ)</div><div class='quotemain'>I'd say go with the T04B in 64 trim....should meet your requirements and give some room for improvement if you choose to run boost at the track up to about 18-20psi. Â*What do you think scootie?
Here's a decent chart for the Turbo selection....
</div>
Gorgeous. Just mapped it out and its almost dead on. I was looking at a T04B-62-1 trim, which is pretty close to that 64 trim, and it is almost perfect. Very good call man.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(seth98esT)</div><div class='quotemain'>60 trim is a pretty large turbo, but those 680cc injectors should suit it just fine. Â*Just remember, the bigger the turbo, the more the power, the stronger the engine needs to be, and the more tuning is required.</div>
That turbo is actually just the right size for a 2.0L motor...maybe that's where you were going with that? For a 3.0, it just doesn't cut it, unfortunately. https://www.thegalantcenter.org/styl...efault/sad.gif
As for injectors, you need ones that will be able to provide around a 10:1 a/f ratio at no more than 75% duty cycle.
thanks for all the help, but since when is the 60-1 turbo small?? i saw it at a shop and they said it was huge... and made mucho power... now for injectors im going with 350cc injectors off a 3000gt.. then for the fuel management getting the walbro fuel pump.. any good links for it? and what is the FPR? (fuel pump R...) thanks again to all for all the help and comprehention to help someone that is finally understanding this
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(galantv600)</div><div class='quotemain'>thanks for all the help, but since when is the 60-1 turbo small?? i saw it at a shop and they said it was huge... Â*and made mucho power... Â*now for injectors im going with 350cc injectors off a 3000gt.. then for the fuel management getting the walbro fuel pump.. Â*any good links for it? Â*and what is the FPR? (fuel pump R...) Â*thanks again to all for all the help and comprehention to help someone that is finally understanding this</div>
The compression maps do not lie....The difference between a 2.0 and a 3.0 is freaking huge. That's kinda like putting a well fit 3.0L turbo on a 4.6 mustang...really wont work well. I'd say talk to Road Race Engineering since they know alot about turboing our engines
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ChikagoGTZ)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(galantv600)</div><div class='quotemain'>thanks for all the help, but since when is the 60-1 turbo small?? i saw it at a shop and they said it was huge... Â*and made mucho power... Â*now for injectors im going with 350cc injectors off a 3000gt.. then for the fuel management getting the walbro fuel pump.. Â*any good links for it? Â*and what is the FPR? (fuel pump R...) Â*thanks again to all for all the help and comprehention to help someone that is finally understanding this</div>
The compression maps do not lie....The difference between a 2.0 and a 3.0 is freaking huge. That's kinda like putting a well fit 3.0L turbo on a 4.6 mustang...really wont work well. I'd say talk to Road Race Engineering since they know alot about turboing our engines</div>
Exactly. A T3 IS a small turbo. Hell, a Td06h 20g is only a medium sized turbo. Look at the compression maps for large turbos some time; a T100 can move something like 180lbs/min of air.
I recently met a guy with a 96 Supra...he was running a big T70 at about 40psi at the track (I shit you not!!!) and 25 on the road. And that turbo was pretty damn huge. You only need a big turbo on our car if you are gonna run high boost, which the engine will not hold up to (unless you completely build it from the bottom up. Follow the compression maps, call RRE or RPW in Oz and see what they tell you. https://www.thegalantcenter.org/styl...ault/smile.gif
FPR stands for fuel pressure regulator.
ima wait to see the shop... they hopefuly can give me good diagnosticsc on a turbo... they are turboing a conv eclipse v6.. so hopefuly thatll work out nicely!! https://www.thegalantcenter.org/styl...ault/smile.gif
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(galantv600)</div><div class='quotemain'>ima wait to see the shop... they hopefuly can give me good diagnosticsc on a turbo... they are turboing a conv eclipse v6.. so hopefuly thatll work out nicely!! Â*:)</div>
Remember that shops do not give a flying fuck about compression maps. They will say "Oh, this one's easiest" and hook you up. https://www.thegalantcenter.org/styl...lt/biggrin.gif IM me and I'll send you some mapped out efficiency maps and you can print them out to take them up there. Be pretty clear about what you want. https://www.thegalantcenter.org/styl...ault/smile.gif
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(scootinintegra)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(galantv600)</div><div class='quotemain'>ima wait to see the shop... they hopefuly can give me good diagnosticsc on a turbo... they are turboing a conv eclipse v6.. so hopefuly thatll work out nicely!! Â*:)</div>
Remember that shops do not give a flying fuck about compression maps. They will say "Oh, this one's easiest" and hook you up. https://www.thegalantcenter.org/styl...lt/biggrin.gif IM me and I'll send you some mapped out efficiency maps and you can print them out to take them up there. Be pretty clear about what you want. https://www.thegalantcenter.org/styl...ault/smile.gif</div>
RRE are not a fly by night shop, they will give you good service and a decent set up.
XS POWER IS BULLSHIT DONT BUY ANY OF THIER SHIT ITS THE SAME SHIT AS SSAUTOCHROME AND OBX ITS ALL SHIT IT DOESNT WORK IT DOESNT FIT YOU CANT GET ANY 60 TRIM TURBO FOR UNDER 900 BUCKS UNLESS ITS USED I REPEAT ITS BULLSHIT DO NOT BUY XS POWER DO NOT BUY XS POWER IT IS BULLSHIT
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(1166gvr4)</div><div class='quotemain'>XS POWER IS BULLSHIT DONT BUY ANY OF THIER SHIT ITS THE SAME SHIT AS SSAUTOCHROME AND OBX ITS ALL SHIT IT DOESNT WORK IT DOESNT FIT YOU CANT GET ANY 60 TRIM TURBO FOR UNDER 900 BUCKS UNLESS ITS USED I REPEAT ITS BULLSHIT DO NOT BUY XS POWER DO NOT BUY XS POWER IT IS BULLSHIT</div>
I agree with him....but in a much calmer tone.
I've heard so many complaints of all of the XS POWER/Stone Mountain Racing/OBX products. These two seem to take the prize:
http://www.honda-tech.com/zeropost?cmd=tsh...show&id=1097918
http://92civic.tripod.com/
Complete crap.....
I say spend a few extra $$$ so you can have less downtime and less aggrivations on life. Just my opinion though and I'm an idiot. Adios.
yeah i know what your saying, im lookihng at another setup a buddy jsut put on his t3/t4.... so https://www.thegalantcenter.org/styl...ault/smile.gif
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(galantv600)</div><div class='quotemain'>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...spagename=WDVW
will those fit or be good???</div>
i think you would be WAY better off staying away from the delphi/rochestor pos injectors. for one, they have a HUGE dead time, if you are going standalone, you can tune for the big increase, if you are going piggyback, you cannot, and it will cause all kinds of problems. also, the industry standard on injector flow is 3 bar. some of the places that sell the delphis rate them at more like 4 bar, which will mean they actually flow a lot less. now, getting huge injectors is also a big drawback, especially if you are using piggyback fuel control. what happens is you lower airflow so much, the ecu thinks the airflow is really low, so it adds timing. then, under boost, you get knock, which makes tuning very complicated. additionally, big injectors tend to not idle/low speed as good. add in the huge deadtime, and you get real problems down low. also, the delphis have been known to "flatline" at wot, meaning they will "top out" and a flow much lower than maximum, making fuel really lean. then, if one flatlines and the others do not, now you get big problems with one cylinder running a lot leaner, and destroying that piston. it is highly recommended that before you install any injector, new or used, you get it flowed, so you know EXACTLY what it can do. i just went thru hell with a set of 650 delpis from fic, brand new, flow was WAY off, tuning was all over the place, even with a chip compensating for the increased dead time. i finally replaced them with denso's, and, even with the delphi chip, the car ran WAY better. if you search some of the other forums, you will see a lot of people with tuning problems with delphi. i havent seen ANY with denso's.