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Hey guys as some may know I have a 2001 gallant 2.4l automatic and I have a problem my car broke down.... D: I was driving one of my friends and he was an idiot and he shifted my car to low and then back drive while I was going 30-35ish mph suddenly my car makes a big boom the rpms pass 6500 and car shuts off. I try starting it but it wont...the start up doesn't even sound the same and only the belt goes as I try to start it. Any ideas thanks? I know its bad but how bad?
Ouch. Broken t belt?
Sounds like it's trying to start, but faster than usual?
Something Definitely broke.
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wait do you have a manual transmission?
I believe auto
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Yes its auto and what's the t belt? Timing belt? Is that the large belt on the side of the engine? Cause its still there....if its the t belt is it expensive to fix?
if your timing belt snapped or slipped while you were driving then your car is now worth less than the repair will cost.
It'll be more than 2k to fix?
easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by NewGalantKid
if your timing belt snapped or slipped while you were driving, the timing belt itself will be the cheapest part of the repair; since our engines are interference type, once the timing belt goes, the valves and pistons can collide and cause thousands of dollars in damage.
of course this may not be ur timing belt that went bad.
the reason i was asking if u had a manual transmission is that our automatic transmissions on the USDM 8G are INVECS meaning they are computer controlled, so even if your friend shifted you down to L, the computer would not allow the transmission to go lower than 2nd gear which would put u around 5000rpm at 35mph... that's nowhere near 6500rpm. your transmission would not shift all the way to 1st gear at that speed since the computer would not allow it no matter what the gear lever position was. even if your friend shifted the other direction to N, the rev limiter would keep your car from overevving.
So mostly likely I'm screwed? Time to find a new car? :/ and any easy way to find that out without a mechanic?
time to find new friends too.Quote:
Originally Posted by NewGalantKid
again we don't know for sure if it is your timing belt, u didn't give us enough information.
is the check engine light on?
Aww...and define on lol the car doesn't start and whenever the car doesnt start almost all of the lights turn on you know what I mean?
Like the battery brake check engine door open and seat belt turn on
That's what I thought...but I wasn't sure cause it all happend at like the same time so I assumed lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Reelax
i would pull the timing cover and check the timing belt first,but maybe your computer went if the timing belt is good.the car cranks but wont start right?
Where's the timing cover? And it doesn't crank like normal it sounds more metallic and faster
do you have a 4 cylinder or a 6 cylinder?the timing cover is on the passenger side if you have a 4 cylinder.that doesnt sound to good.Quote:
Originally Posted by NewGalantKid
4cylinder and is it on the side of the engine next to and above the main belt with a plastic cover?
if your looking at the engine its by your radiator overflow, you will see a motor mount attached to the engine, there is a black abs cover, thats your timing belt cover, just take off the top cover to see if the belt broke.... also if it makes a metallic sound while cranking, you either bent your valves, have no compression, and are just making things worse if you continue to crank the motor if you are, i would stop, I hope you arent..
its on the passenger side underneath the cover on the side of the head.. but from the sounds of that kind of cranking you prolly did blow the belt. which honestly if you know you way around a car could be an easy fix but if you don't it'll cost you mechanics get the big bucks $$$ lol but gl with it!
beat me by 1 minute..............damnit
Ahh crap I'm going to miss my gallant :/ so if I have no compression it something is bent...I'm screwed?
all depends but if the belt broke id say you more then most likely bent a valve at the bare minimum....and bent valves are no good you can pay to get them replaced or get a whole new head if you messed up a piston i prolly wouldn't even bother honestly.
sounds almost like the engine self destructed... DAMN
EDIT: oops, didn't see the second page.
ProbAbly did :/
I'm going to check the belt after school today. Can it be anything else if the belt is fine?
yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by NewGalantKid
Maybe get a video of you trying to crank the motor...it sounds like the belt snapped. You should remove the head and oil pan to see if anything inside broke off inside. If I was you I would do this to try to determine what happened before you take it to a mechanic or it could be something you can fix with out spending an arm and a leg.
But if timing went off and valves and pistons are done...Dude thats all up to you want you want to do. To rebuild the engine, not worth it. Either buy a used engine off eBay or somewhere that works or buy a new car. Ooooo yeah while you at it, make our friend pay for the damage and find a new one.
Well I looked at the belt its fine when its tries to crank the main belt and timing belt spin. The engine itself isn't really...I think it seized. Maybe the safety not to shift down failed too much engine power and kaput? I'll try to get a video tomorrow
I can't get to the oil pan my car is stuck at my other friends house he was closest when it broke down we had to push for 2 miles -__- so there's only so much I can do
you cant jack the car up and look under her skirt?
I can but isn't looking at the oil pan much more than looking under the car? Like taking it out and what not? Besides I've never done it before either
just a couple bolts, ok more than that, and you need a gasket if nothing it wrong or you don't find a piston down in the oil pan (that happened to a member on here lol) Personally I would spend twenty bucks on a gasket, and take off the pan and inspect it, whats the worst thing that could happen? you have to rebuild the motor, or you just use the gasket to put the oil pan back on, if nothing is wrong.
And by gasket you mean what? Sorry I'm new to this I really want to learn though...thank you
Oh and if I take off the engine cover/head whatever you call it what should I see?
Anytime with fluids in a engine, you need a gasket to "seal" between the 2 metal surfaces, so it doesn't leak. I believe the oil pan is a cork one(idk I haven't taken it off on the g yet) your stock head gasket is a triple metal gasket, use to seal pressure from the compression stroke on the engineQuote:
Originally Posted by NewGalantKid
if you take off the cylinder head, you should see pistons on the block side, and valves on the head side, if nothing is missing, or "hiding" in the oil pan lol. I suggest you get a Haynes manual, it makes things alot easier, step by step instructions, and torque specs and torque patterns.Quote:
Originally Posted by NewGalantKid
Why buy another gasket can't you reuse the one you took out?
I haven't massed with the g gasekt, so Idk for sure if its cork or not, but usually the cork ones fall apart when they are that old, also they are flattened when you tighten down, an oil leak its not something to mess with if the gasket is like 20 bucks IMO
Just my opinion, and I am new to Galants but have turned wrenches myself as a fairly competent backyard mechanic for 25 years now. I think you are in over your head with this. Not knockin on you but if you dont know what a gasket is I am just guessing just about the rest of the advice you get here or any any net forum is really going to be over your head. Dont take it personally, just appears to be what it is.
Do you have a friend, relative or someone who knows a little more then the basic rudimentary workings of a car that can take a good look at it? Where are you located? Maybe a forum member is fairly close and kind enough to take a glance.
And just to be certain, you do understand the "timing belt" is not visible w/o removing its cover? There are 2 belts that are visible, but they are not the "timing belt". For further clarification as you are looking at the motor, on the right side of the top is a 2.4L 16 valve designation, this is the driver side. On the left, passenger side you see the oil fill cap. Now about 4" to the left of the oil filler cap is a black plastic cover, its on the end of the motor between the 2 visible belts and the oil cap. That cover must be removed to actually get a visual on the timing belt. I just want to be sure that yes, you have seen it and yes it looks fine and is actually spinning.
Just a wild shot, but from what very little anyone here actually knows about your specific car with what you have provided, it really sounds like a snapped timing belt with the metallic clanking sound you have described while trying to start it. I hope I am wrong.
You need to verify this first, that the timing belt is the correct belt you have inspected. If you havent really inspected it, stop trying to start the car until you have. If the belt is snapped you are really just doing yet further damage to the car every time you do try and start it. That belt keeps metal parts from knocking against each other inside the motor.
And just to be honest, if it is a snapped timing belt, your car is pretty much toast at this point.
Sorry to maybe come off as harsh here, and I know I am new to this forum, but that is my honest spin on it.
Noooooo do not re-use the gasket, you will need a new one when taking off the oil pan if you do not want oil spilling out. Taking the oil pan is very easy and the best way to see what’s wrong with the motor if any broke or not. Same thing with taking off the cylinder head. You will be able to see if the pistons are ok along with the valves and making sure nothing is damaged. In order to get the head off make sure you take off the timing belt off by loosening the tentioner. In order to get o that just take off the timing over with a few bolts here and there. If you are going to do this, make sure you label where everything goes. But if you do know someone that can help, I would ask him or her or just get it taken to a close mechanic. Which is what I would prob recommend for you since you have no idea what a gasket is...no offence.
Yea I know I removed the plastic cover its a thick black belt its intact and fine.....the belt only spins while trying to start the car seeing as it doesn't run....what information do you guys need? Cause I can give you more I just don't know what.Quote:
Originally Posted by danno