hey guys i need to ask which spark plugs do best in a galant bosch or ngk and should i use the reg ones or platinum ones
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hey guys i need to ask which spark plugs do best in a galant bosch or ngk and should i use the reg ones or platinum ones
just found out they put the ngk v power plugs in my car when i had them done at goodyear
No Bosch they suuck
ok someone tell me this the guy at napa told me that the ngk v power are the standard spark plug for a 8g is that right or not i need to know cause i bought them just 2 minutes ago and now i dont know if i want to put them on or not
Get regular NGK's, none of that special shit. They are what your car is supposed to use.
definitely. I bought the bosch plat. +2's for my car hoping to even out my a/f ratio at 6500 rpms. They sold them "pre-gapped," so me being an idiot i bolted them right in. Turns out, they were gapped completely wrong, and my idle got VERY messed up, along with me showing an extremely lean a/f ratio on my a/f gauge. Wasn't burning up all the gas necessary, and the ECU was freaking out because of the signals it was receiving from the 02 sensor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moosh
Just a lesson, never, ever, ever trust a company to gap your spark plugs for you. Do it yourself with single-electrode, stock plugs.
I got v power installed and it damn good maaaan
If you think spark plugs are a performance part, I have some windshield washer L.E.D.'s I'd like to sell you... https://www.thegalantcenter.org/styl...lt/biggrin.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by GoldGalant [Reborn
Really!!!! :roll: I am not a hard core modder but I can tell and feel the difference between the Bosch and NGK V-power because it is my car and I should how it responds. So next time keep your half ass comments to yourself yah dig :idea:
i know in my friend's Audi A4 1.8T we felt the difference with spark plugs, and i dont even drive his car. it pulled ever so slightly higher on this really steep hill we test shit out on. but thats' a chipped Turbo.
OK, put Bosch plugs in your car. Dyno it. Then put NGK v-power plugs in your car. Dyno it. You won't see any gains. It's a psychological effect, I guess you could describe it best as the Placebo effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldGalant [Reborn
This is especially true because you are NOT a hardcore modder, as said by yourself. You have no reason to change spark plugs if you haven't changed fuel delivery due to significantly increased airflow (not like intake and exhaust...like turbo, supercharger, or nitrous) Don't you trust Mitsubishi enough to put the proper spark plugs in your car to ignite the charge properly? Until you really start tuning, you have no reason to go to autozone asking anything but "Can you look up the stock spark plugs for a Galant?"
Check your air/fuel ratio and EGT, if you want. I guarantee you'll notice no difference.
I agree no power gains on spark plugs, but u aint right in the world of knowledge we call your "air/fuel" ratio gauge a idiot gaugeQuote:
Originally Posted by ScootinIntegra
You want to monitor that do it right i could tell if a car is running rich or lean dont need no gauge to tell me that.
Guessing won't get you anywhere...looking at your plugs will get you closer, but you need to get it dyno'd, and check your air/fuel ratio there. I have an a/f ratio gauge for rough estimates, because usually when something goes wrong on a car with that ratio, it's big. You can notice it then. You should never tune off and a/f gauge.Quote:
Originally Posted by MidNightRacing
Pray tell, what do YOU use to determine your a/f ratio?
Depends on how much money you got. Snap-on would be the cheapest just a scanner hooked up n drive to this other monitor which runs for like $700 it gives you every second of it. Arent the a/f gauge just a estiment too? it doese'nt really give u numbers like the above mentioned items. I say i can guess better then the gauge. Who's wit me on this?
You can't guess better than the gauge can detect, it receives a signal from the 02 sensor, and the signal's strength depends on how much oxygen the detector sense in the exhaust. More oxygen = lean mixture. Less or no oxygen = rich mixture. It may not portray it exactly, but once again, I already said that you shouldn't tune off an a/f ratio gauge, it's just not exact enough. You can, however, see if your car is running predominantly rich or lean, and make minor adjustments via fpr or afc. I don't think that we're arguing that point, however.Quote:
Originally Posted by MidNightRacing
Why spend $700 on a snap on when you could get your car dyno'd for $50, with EXACT numbers of your a/f ratio, not just your guesses.
If you don't even know how an a/f ratio gauge works, you shouldn't be guessing at your a/f ratio. Do you even know how to check your spark plugs to determine if you're running rich or lean?
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OK, put Bosch plugs in your car. Dyno it. Then put NGK v-power plugs in your car. Dyno it. You won't see any gains. It's a psychological effect, I guess you could describe it best as the Placebo effect.
This is especially true because you are NOT a hardcore modder, as said by yourself. You have no reason to change spark plugs if you haven't changed fuel delivery due to significantly increased airflow (not like intake and exhaust...like turbo, supercharger, or nitrous) Don't you trust Mitsubishi enough to put the proper spark plugs in your car to ignite the charge properly? Until you really start tuning, you have no reason to go to autozone asking anything but "Can you look up the stock spark plugs for a Galant?"
Check your air/fuel ratio and EGT, if you want. I guarantee you'll notice no difference.
Good for you HonDUH owner https://www.thegalantcenter.org/styl...ault/laugh.gif [/quote]
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Originally Posted by GoldGalant [Reborn
hahaha...lol https://www.thegalantcenter.org/styl...ault/laugh.gif https://www.thegalantcenter.org/styl...lt/biggrin.gif https://www.thegalantcenter.org/styl...lt/biggrin.gif https://www.thegalantcenter.org/styl...ault/laugh.gif
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ScootinIntegra)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MidNightRacing)</div><div class='quotemain'>Depends on how much money you got. Snap-on would be the cheapest just a scanner hooked up n drive to this other monitor which runs for like $700 it gives you every second of it. Arent the a/f gauge just a estiment too? it doese'nt really give u numbers like the above mentioned items. I say i can guess better then the gauge. Who's wit me on this?</div>
You can't guess better than the gauge can detect, it receives a signal from the 02 sensor, and the signal's strength depends on how much oxygen the detector sense in the exhaust. More oxygen = lean mixture. Less or no oxygen = rich mixture. It may not portray it exactly, but once again, I already said that you shouldn't tune off an a/f ratio gauge, it's just not exact enough. You can, however, see if your car is running predominantly rich or lean, and make minor adjustments via fpr or afc. I don't think that we're arguing that point, however.
Why spend $700 on a snap on when you could get your car dyno'd for $50, with EXACT numbers of your a/f ratio, not just your guesses.
If you don't even know how an a/f ratio gauge works, you shouldn't be guessing at your a/f ratio. Do you even know how to check your spark plugs to determine if you're running rich or lean?</div>
The snap-on scan tool is like $400 the other one cost $700 i forgot what its called. And you can use the scanner for more then just that so i think a scanner is worth it if your a serious tunner. Spark plugs? what r thoes? tell me almighty acura boy! :roll: What im really gettin to is that the gauge tells u rich or lean. No exact number so therefor theres no point to it while u can tell if its rich or lean to what end you might be off. but if you cant then get the gauge. Ill tell you right now my cars been runnin rich for about a month now gotta see whats wrong wit it. Im too lazy
I don't even know why I'm getting into this, but keep in mind that an A/F gauge only works accurately in closed loop mode. And as far as detecting if your car is running rich or lean without some type of equipment, that's about as accurate as a butt dyno. If you want to bet the internals of your engine on your ability to guess what it's doing at WOT, that's up to you.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MidNightRacing)</div><div class='quotemain'>Spark plugs? what r thoes? tell me almighty acura boy! :roll: Â*What im really gettin to is that the gauge tells u rich or lean.</div>
I'm not turning this into a "who has the most clever insult" thread.
The gauge tells you rich or lean. That is correct. However, it does not give you exact numbers. Therefore, you can only make minor adjustments with it, such as richening out a lean mixture at WOT. You know your car is supposed to go rich (and pretty darn rich) when you are at WOT, to resist knocking? You know what detonation does to a motor? Well say you're cruising along, and you notice your a/f ratio is way over in the lean portion of your gauge. Would you really want to wait for a dyno tuner to check that? No. You'd want to know now so you can temporarily solve the problem. You can't tune off it, I said that like 5 times already, so stop accusing me of thinking that.
I really don't know why you brought up a/f ratio gauges in a thread that really had nothing to do with them....your posts are pointless and point this guy in the wrong direction. He said he's NOT a serious tuner, and then you sit there and tell him "well, if you're a serious tuner then you should buy these $700 worth of tools to read this ratio..."
Don't post up things you don't know about. You can keep arguing, but I'm just going to sit here and laugh at your pathetic attempts to be correct. When you're wrong, admit it, we're done. I do the same.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Fishboy55)</div><div class='quotemain'>I don't even know why I'm getting into this, but keep in mind that an A/F gauge only works accurately in closed loop mode. And as far as detecting if your car is running rich or lean without some type of equipment, that's about as accurate as a butt dyno. If you want to bet the internals of your engine on your ability to guess what it's doing at WOT, that's up to you.</div>
haha....yes i know that...I wasn't saying that you should fix your car or tune your air/fuel ratio off it. I was saying that it can provide a temporary fix to a situation that most people would have been ignorant of until they got it dyno'd and saw they were running like a 17:1 A/F ratio at WOT, where most cars run 12-13:1.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ScootinIntegra)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Fishboy55)</div><div class='quotemain'>I don't even know why I'm getting into this, but keep in mind that an A/F gauge only works accurately in closed loop mode. And as far as detecting if your car is running rich or lean without some type of equipment, that's about as accurate as a butt dyno. If you want to bet the internals of your engine on your ability to guess what it's doing at WOT, that's up to you.</div>
haha....yes i know that...I wasn't saying that you should fix your car or tune your air/fuel ratio off it. I was saying that it can provide a temporary fix to a situation that most people would have been ignorant of until they got it dyno'd and saw they were running like a 17:1 A/F ratio at WOT, where most cars run 12-13:1.</div>
Chill Scootin...I was agreeing with you and referencing Midnight saying he could guess better than any gauge....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Fishboy55)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ScootinIntegra)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Fishboy55)</div><div class='quotemain'>I don't even know why I'm getting into this, but keep in mind that an A/F gauge only works accurately in closed loop mode. And as far as detecting if your car is running rich or lean without some type of equipment, that's about as accurate as a butt dyno. If you want to bet the internals of your engine on your ability to guess what it's doing at WOT, that's up to you.</div>
haha....yes i know that...I wasn't saying that you should fix your car or tune your air/fuel ratio off it. I was saying that it can provide a temporary fix to a situation that most people would have been ignorant of until they got it dyno'd and saw they were running like a 17:1 A/F ratio at WOT, where most cars run 12-13:1.</div>
Chill Scootin...I was agreeing with you and referencing Midnight saying he could guess better than any gauge....</div>
dude....i'm chill, lol...i guess i forgot to throw a few smilies in there for ya. I got no problem with you man!! https://www.thegalantcenter.org/styl...lt/biggrin.gif https://www.thegalantcenter.org/styl...ault/laugh.gif https://www.thegalantcenter.org/styl...ault/laugh.gif https://www.thegalantcenter.org/styl...ault/laugh.gif https://www.thegalantcenter.org/styl...ault/laugh.gif https://www.thegalantcenter.org/styl...ault/laugh.gif
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Fishboy55)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ScootinIntegra)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Fishboy55)</div><div class='quotemain'>I don't even know why I'm getting into this, but keep in mind that an A/F gauge only works accurately in closed loop mode. And as far as detecting if your car is running rich or lean without some type of equipment, that's about as accurate as a butt dyno. If you want to bet the internals of your engine on your ability to guess what it's doing at WOT, that's up to you.</div>
haha....yes i know that...I wasn't saying that you should fix your car or tune your air/fuel ratio off it. I was saying that it can provide a temporary fix to a situation that most people would have been ignorant of until they got it dyno'd and saw they were running like a 17:1 A/F ratio at WOT, where most cars run 12-13:1.</div>
Chill Scootin...I was agreeing with you and referencing Midnight saying he could guess better than any gauge....</div>
I didn't say that i can guess better then any gauge i said i can probly guess better then a a/f gauge, To me I would rather have the exact numbers then just a estimate. I'll admit that i wanted a a/f gauge but then i learned more and would rather go with the other measurment tool. I might seem like i dont know what im talkin about but i just learned this stuff like 2 weeks ago at school and im not to good at getting what i mean out. Im not a very good communicator!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MidNightRacing)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Fishboy55)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ScootinIntegra)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Fishboy55)</div><div class='quotemain'>I don't even know why I'm getting into this, but keep in mind that an A/F gauge only works accurately in closed loop mode. And as far as detecting if your car is running rich or lean without some type of equipment, that's about as accurate as a butt dyno. If you want to bet the internals of your engine on your ability to guess what it's doing at WOT, that's up to you.</div>
haha....yes i know that...I wasn't saying that you should fix your car or tune your air/fuel ratio off it. I was saying that it can provide a temporary fix to a situation that most people would have been ignorant of until they got it dyno'd and saw they were running like a 17:1 A/F ratio at WOT, where most cars run 12-13:1.</div>
Chill Scootin...I was agreeing with you and referencing Midnight saying he could guess better than any gauge....</div>
I didn't say that i can guess better then any gauge i said i can probly guess better then a a/f gauge, To me I would rather have the exact numbers then just a estimate. I'll admit that i wanted a a/f gauge but then i learned more and would rather go with the other measurment tool. I might seem like i dont know what im talkin about but i just learned this stuff like 2 weeks ago at school and im not to good at getting what i mean out. Im not a very good communicator!</div>
That's cool and I might have misinterpreted what you said. The point is that an a/f gauge will give you a quick visual indication of what's going on when your O2 circuits are in closed loop mode (WOT). When you're cruising down the track and you see that meter go below stoich, you know to back off quick. You can also get a/f gauges that have digital readouts of the exact voltage on the O2 sensor in tenths, rather than the colored LED's. Not sure that you're gonna get that instant feedback from that $700 meter, unless you're talking about an EGT gauge, which is the next best way to check short of a datalogger or a wideband O2 dyno.
I don't know why everybody gets down on the bosch plugs. I put +2s in my car 35-40k ago and their fine.
I honestly think that Bosch plugs are great for german cars and NGKs are for Japaniese cars. One of my friends blew his motor casue he had Bosch plugs on his jap car.
Yeah I used Bosch when I had my Audi, that's all I ever used them on.
can you prove any correlation between the bosch plugs and your buddy's motor blowing? I really don't see how plugs alone would cause that.Quote:
Originally Posted by cooldog45
Bosch is crap. Never, ever buy it. I wasted my money on a set and they were gone within 2k miles. they weren't even gapped properly, although they say they come pre-gapped. Messed up my idle and my gas mileage, along with my power.
yeah i would NEVER install plugs without gapping them myself. I put in the NGK v-power at 30k. Which was the exact OEM replacement in manaul. I noticed in the maint. manual it says to use standard at 30k.. then at 60k use standard or plat plugs
I have had Bosch Platinum +4's Pre Gapped in my Galant for the past 30k miles, and they work great. I put them in at 15k miles and the car seemed idle and run even better than before.
just some pictures where the spark plugs are located...
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http://www.geocities.com/jjjavier99/8gsparks.html