one last thing, apparitly club 3g is talking about the same thing...
http://www.eclipseforums.org/forum/showthr...threadid=133121
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Um let’s do a better ratio!
How many turbo cars are running?
How many SDS cars are running?
Then let’s talk power! *
We have the most powerful, fastest and most reliable kits out there; the turbo kits have proven to be unreliable over and over... this is a fact, not opinion!
The SDS cars go from 161whp and 170~lb/ft to 281whp and 271lb/ft.... so what about torque? That’s our base kit.... with 5 engine failures to date, mostly consumer related (Fact)
So the bottom line is, is THIS APPLICATION turbo has proven to be consistently detrimental, with few exceptions, and SC has proven to be consistently reliable over time and testing. *
The real argument is the application; is this application viable for turbo charging? In our opinion the engine has been built with materials which are not designed to deal with the heat and backpressure the turbo produces (and it produces on average 75% more heat than any other FI including NOS). *
Secondly the engines electronics seem to disagree with the air speeds your feeding it with the TC so timing starts to log all over the maps…. Once again not a reliable situation. *
Lastly the current TC systems do not compare in kit form to an SDS kit, as we provide ALL fuel, ALL electronics, and, all hardware to make is a TRUE buy and bolt on kit, with the exception of the header. Given the header choices you have out there, our header just happens to be the best designed unit to purchase, because we engineered it to be, just like all our other products. So again your argument about affordability of the TC is falsified vs. the SC.
If you want to compare real world numbers, let’s compare the numbers in this forum and with this group of individuals, while I understand the benefits of TC and engine will provide a more impressive torque curve (MAYBE) IF THE KIT IS RUNNING SOUNDLY. But has this V6 in this format run reliably? From what we have been reading no! Because more guys have purchased the “next best thing” and had to drop their whole project, because the kit blew the car up….Whether it be tuning, intercooling, or customer negligence, more TC kits have blown up there application than there are SC kits running, why? *
Because we did our homework properly, and because the kit we designed was designed from the novice stand point of a customer, were he is putting his faith in the hands of the manufacturer. So if you’re going to bring up any argument, whether the manufacturer is a “nice guy” or not, the fact of the matter is the kits have blown up cars! Were as the more expensive SDS kits have not, and were they have there has been a reason that was outside our control doing so. *
So as a manufacturer, reading this is both a good and bad thing, I feel the work we have done has proven itself in A GOOD WAY by the number of sound running kits we have been able to provide, but it’s bad in the respect that, when it’s compared to turbo we feel that response it “Oh well can’t get a turbo so I may as well get the SC”. Which is fine, but we want the get across right now, the SC has been the only real viable option this community has, not because of the bad turbo charger kits, but because our kit is really hard to compare to. *
When you factor on all the positive feed back the SC kits have gotten, remember, that as PERFORMNCE TUNERS first, we too went the TC route in this application, bringing us only frustration and grief, if form of boost. We lost a great customer over it. That spawned the SDS program… and we never looked back…. More and more groups are seeing it…. But I just don’t want you guys to lose sight of the fact that this kit was designed and manufactured from the performance division of RIPP Modification, not the accounting department…..
I said it before and I’ll say it again, what good is a more powerful broken car? *
Respectfully,
Ross Esposito
President
RIPP Modification Inc
718-442-4723
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