Rippmods V6 Headers - Slightly Pic Intensive

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ChikagoGTZ)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Cali)</div><div class='quotemain'>wow that's a lot of bull..44hp? man, i'd call back and at least ask for half your money back.</div>

44 was on a v6 running an SDS, with FI you will get much better gains from Headers.

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yeah, as wonderingpinoy said, that's pretty shady. If you're going to use the word stock, you better damn well mean stock. It's pretty shitty to play on the inexperience of some people to make a buck.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Danger DANJ)</div><div class='quotemain'>Wow, that gain really sucks. Just think, those of you with Fed specs will gain even less. I was thinking about getting these headers, but I doubt it now. I'm curious how much better the headers would work on a Cali spec with other mods or even with the SDS?</div>

That's why I did this test, for you guys who are considering. As for how it would perform with the SDS, it is required, or else you risk blowing out something in your engine, like gaskets. After comparing them to the stock manifolds, I believe Rippmods on this one.

After more extensive testing, I have some advice for those who are still actively considering this system. Please note that the headers, despite having flex pipes, feel like they're not flexing at all. In D stopped at a light my car will shudder like a battleship being shelled. Horrible really if you're stuck in stop and go traffic, but once you step on the gas it thankfully goes away. It's especially bad on my car because I have solid motor mounts (my stock ones were busted at 23k miles). As for the 9ish hp gain, the butt dyno says different. It's kinda like driving a BMW, it just feels stronger than it should. I haven't had a 0-60 run timed because of my tranny shifting problem, but step on the gas at any RPM and the response is instant and hard. It may just be that these cars are like the Mazda RX-8 when being dynoed; i.e. they put down less power than they're really rated at (and thus the highly publicized but incorrect claim that Mazda overrated the RX-8 but still bought them back anyway) due to the car's brain realizing something isn't right. The exhaust leak though is starting to really get on my nerves. If you can picture a late '60s diesel truck ticking away as it accelerates, you will have just about the perfect sound of my car. As for the hissing when I accelerate or let off the gas I have no idea whether or not it's from the flow of exhaust or from the leak.

[seth98esT]

What dyno did you use? Dynos very greatly. You could dyno on a DynoJet at 170whp and then go to a Dyno-dynamics dyno and only dyno at 150whp...

[Djayfusion99_es_v6]

so these headers from rippmods u say ur car shudders like being bombarded by a battleship? is that cuz the tranz is messed up or just the motor mounts being solid i was highly considering a set of headers but i don't kknow if i wanna buy rippmod's headers anymore

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What dyno did you use? Dynos very greatly. You could dyno on a DynoJet at 170whp and then go to a Dyno-dynamics dyno and only dyno at 150whp...

I only have access to a DynoJet.

so these headers from rippmods u say ur car shudders like being bombarded by a battleship? is that cuz the tranz is messed up or just the motor mounts being solid i was highly considering a set of headers but i don't kknow if i wanna buy rippmod's headers anymore

I would think it's the headers. My car didn't shudder like this with my stock components even with my solid mounts, which is why I suggested this was caused by the headers having a lack of flexing ability. A non-shifting tranny won't cause your car to shake with the engine revs I don't think.

[Danger DANJ]

I'm actually wondering if you would have gained more HP if the headers were not leaking? Perhaps there is a loss of back perssure. That could be why you are shuddering too.

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I'm actually wondering if you would have gained more HP if the headers were not leaking? Perhaps there is a loss of back perssure. That could be why you are shuddering too.

I dunno...wish I could tell ya. The install guy told me it's very minor and wouldn't affect output since it's only a 1mm hole. If I find out I'd be happy to let you know. But I already know it's not why the car is shaking. It's the lack of flexing ability for certain.

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Well guess what...SES light came on Shop pulled several emissions related codes, though what they are exactly I dunno. These babies are coming off as soon as I get a chance.

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damn, that sucks. how long has it been since you put them on?

[Danger DANJ]

Wait a minute! I've run through the Eclipse and Stratus boards, and they are all getting hp numbers way higher than what you got. And that shuddering you are getting, there must be something wrong with your car. I wasn't sure what to think, all I could concentrate on was the number 9, but I just realized something. Take a look at the hp you put down for your baseline. That in itself is horrible. Others have posted their baselines on the V6 in the past on this site and usually hit like 148-150 hp and you only got 137! You better check your car out.

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Wait a minute! I've run through the Eclipse and Stratus boards, and they are all getting hp numbers way higher than what you got. And that shuddering you are getting, there must be something wrong with your car. I wasn't sure what to think, all I could concentrate on was the number 9, but I just realized something. Take a look at the hp you put down for your baseline. That in itself is horrible. Others have posted their baselines on the V6 in the past on this site and usually hit like 148-150 hp and you only got 137! You better check your car out.

Maybe so, but it's still pretty much on par with Cali spec numbers. At the crank the engine is rated at 190 hp 205 torque, and my baseline is exactly 15 apart as well. I'm just losing a bit more in the drivetrain losses. Even with that kind of loss come on, 9 hp gain? I already had compression checked and everything on my engine after my nitrous run in; techs verified everything was ok and the only thing that was gutted was the intake.

[Danger DANJ]

I just can't see how you only got a 9hp gain and every othe 6G72 engine with the RIPP headers gets a gain in the 30's or higher. The cars I've seen have all had an S-AFC II or something similar and an intake... some had cat-back exhausts too. But, some of them were Fed specs, which should get less of a gain than a Cali spec. Are you sure the 02 sensors are properly wired and are functioning properly, since I'm pretty sure you had to extend some wires? Maybe that's why you are getting the SES light? Something is just not right. I haven't heard of anyone else with the RIPP headers throwing SES lights. I don't know. I'm hoping to have some money saved up so I can give these headers a shot in the spring. I just wish there was somewhere near me to get my car dynoed.

[Djayfusion99_es_v6]

damn that is some news for my eards danj sounds like maybe a tuning problem on auto9's car. but if the eclipse and stratus are making the numbers i'd like to hear some galant guys making some numbers with that header

[kaioshin]

Well, where to start.

The numbers you're seeing off the Eclipse and Stratus boards are mostly off manuals; thus, the higher overall WHP. Remember, the 200bhp rated 6G72's with autos are typically throwing down in the high 140whp. And besides no 3g/2g stratus has put down 33whp bone stock with the RIPP header swap, the numbers are more near the tens. Some people have claimed nearly 30whp gains but they also installed a CAI/WAI and catback exhaust which would make a huge difference in the engine breathing.

If you're thinking since it's an automatic that the physical gain would be less than a manual, it's not. It would just net a lower overall gain.

Are RIPP Headers good? Yes; however, they're over priced.
Will RIPP Headers out perform shorty style headers? Slightly, and i mean SLIGHTLY, but is it worth the extra 800$ for 2whp?

The truth of the matter is RIPP has had one good product, the SDS. People praise them for this and believe all of their other products are a godsend like SDS. A false consensus has been drawn up in the 6G72 community that RIPP is much better than it's competition; thus, why their prices are so much higher.

No 6G72 will see an increase of 33whp in bone stock form just by switching the RIPP header system in. Maybe if he were talking 33whp between having SDS with stock exhaust and having SDS with RIPP headers i would believe Ross, but that's not what he's stated nor is it what the general public believes.

[Djayfusion99_es_v6]

thanks kaioshin for enlightening me on this header question earlier this week i did find out something more about tuning. Which made your theory correct. once again i am enlightened! =)