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will those fit or be good???
im thinking about running a T3/60-1 turbo from XS Power.. i found one for a decent price but what kind of injectors should i run? how many CC's? and for intercooler. i searched but didnt find anything on the ECU.. would i need to upgrade it? thanks
Diego
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will those fit or be good???
Diego
60 trim is a pretty large turbo, but those 680cc injectors should suit it just fine. Just remember, the bigger the turbo, the more the power, the stronger the engine needs to be, and the more tuning is required.
7g for life!
i need to know real fast the basics to what i should get first.. im planning on probably buying those injectors and then going for the t3/60-1 turbo... after tat what would u suggest?
Diego
Theres a whole slew of parts you need. Mostly small parts. I really dont know what is needed to turbo a v6, but its pretty much the same as an i4.
You need an air filter, intake pipe, oil lines, water lines, 02 housing, downpipe, turbo exhaust manifold, intercooler piping, intercooler, bov. Pretty much it for the basic install, now you need a piggyback fuel system, and some gauges preferably boost and egt. A lot of thsoe parts could come from a 3kgtvr4 but they most likely would have to be flipped around to fit.
7g for life!
i dont think a 60 trim turbo is big at all for a 3 liter motor...now gettin sumone to make the manifold for u is a completely diff story...IMO that should be your biggest concen...other than that, like seth said its just like any other turbo car...talk to the guy over @ fiautosports...he may sell u a "hot parts" kit (manifold and other necessities)
good luck
all the piping and such will be customly done by my shop, but im gonna get the turbo and all the parts seperate and take them so that they make the piping... and i get the intercooler or MAYBE have them make one...
Diego
get between 310 and 400cc injectors.....
greddy emanage works fine.
if you have a shop that tunes the dastek unichip, i'll be selling mine.
but you need a shop that can tune it.
yo lei what engine management are u gonna use since yer sellin yer chip??
well its not a for sure thing, but emanage is where i'm leaning
kewl...ok sorry v600...btt
its coo no need to say sorry bro... anything thatll help ya or fill the questions u got.. go ahead 8)Originally Posted by 8ggalant
Diego
so kevin, u dont think that the 60-1 turbo will be much for my g.. well it will be a lot but u know.. ima run low boost like 6-8.. so id like this turbo, but the thing is that i dont want to have to upgrade fuel system, and all the internals.. all i want to have to do is turbo, IC, IC piping, injectors, filter, water and oil lines, and 3 " exhaust. will my car also get the aggressive evo/wrx sound to it?
Diego
the wrx has that sound because of how the engine is bro lol...i wish my car sounded like that too (same as how rotarys have a unique sound)...so thats a no...as far as can u boost 6-8 lbs with stock internals..i think thats highly possible...but i will stress to u that it is IMPERATIVE that u go ahead and invest in tuning (w/ a shop who specializes in the fuel management yer using if possible)...also imo it is A VERY GOOD IDEA to upgrade yer fuel system...the fuel pump aint that expensive and injectors...ehh u dont even have to go that big but they are a must...i wouldnt have it any other way on my car bro....i think u should think HARD about that lol...even rippmods adds an auxillary injector for use under boost
so in addition to what you plan on doing i HIGHLY recommend
injectors
fuel pump
fpr
good luck pimp
you NEED a fuel pump and bigger injectors if you want to tune right, don't do this half assed or u'll be wishing you did it right the first time. This is not a project you can rush...please take your time and make sure you have all that is needed before you start blowing shit up
True that...
If you want your car to sound like a WRX, buy a WRX.
BOXERS ar the hotness :twisted:True that...
If you want your car to sound like a WRX, buy a WRX.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(8ggalant)</div><div class='quotemain'>i dont think a 60 trim turbo is big at all for a 3 liter motor...</div>
Give me an hour or so and I'll tell you for sure.
Alrighty, here goes:
First we have to figure out the airflow of a V6 Galant stock:
CFM = ((3.0)(6000)(85)(1))/5660 = 270 CFM
In the above equation, I'm assuming 85% volumetric efficiency. Also I'm assuming 6000rpm as the redline. My bad if it's not, I think it's close though.
270/14.27 = 19lbs/min airflow. 19lbs/min = 195hp in that V6. Keep that in mind.
Now, looking at a T3-60trim compressor efficiency map:
http://www.majesticturbo.com/20272.html
Anyway. Let's assume you want to run 12lbs boost. I'm assuming 12lbs because you're using a fairly large turbo which means that your engine is going to need to be built well enough to handle some power. Might as well run 12lbs. If you decide on a different number, let me know and I'll run the numbers through again. Either way, you're going to draw the same conclusion.
So, 12lbs = 1.81 pressure ratio [(14.7 + 12) / 14.7 = 1.81]
Run through your airflow equation again, this time plugging in 1.81 in the fourth variable (instead of 1). Plot point (x,y), where x = airflow you just figured, and y = 1.81. X = 36.3 lbs/min. Flowing 36lbs/air at a 100% efficiency level would actually increase power by 80%. However, there's no way to flow at 100%, and no way to flow efficiently at all on this turbo.
EDIT: Just saw you planned on running 6-8lbs. I took the liberty of going right down the middle and plotting out 7lbs. Of course, still way too inefficient.
Without even plotting your next point, you can see that this turbo is much too small for this engine. Way out of its efficiency range, as you may (or may not) be able to tell. When you plot your second point (typically at half redline), you will see that you are actually smack dab in the middle of the 74% efficiency island. This is great and all, but that's not where we want to make power. We want to make power up top, where we can take advantage of not only the airflow, but also the momentum of the reciprocating assembly. One good thing is this compressor definitely won't surge on you.hahaha
Basically, this turbo can't move enough air at the higher RPMs to supply the engine. The air flowing out the turbo gets hotter and hotter as you move away from the center efficiency islands. You will be choking your engine at the place where you want to make peak power. At 6000rpm and 12lbs boost, this turbo would be approximately 50% efficient and spinning at more than 153,000rpm. Not good.
I have a picture of my plotted points on the T3-60trim compressor map if someone wants to host it for me, so you get an idea of what it looks like.
Time to pick a new turbo, this one's too small. If you give me a little bit (I'm kinda busy lately) I will try and search one out for you.
I'd say go with the T04B in 64 trim....should meet your requirements and give some room for improvement if you choose to run boost at the track up to about 18-20psi. What do you think scootie?
Here's a decent chart for the Turbo selection....
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