DOHC swap***forged pistons/P&P??

[qnz]

rule #1 of the internet: You cant believe everything you read on the internet

[03chi-town0z]

rule #1 of the internet: You cant believe everything you read on the internet

couldnt agree more. you want the right actual answers regarding what exactly you are planning on doing? go to a shop, lay out your ideas, and let them tell you what is and isnt going to happen. that or do it yourself and see what comes of that. end of story.

and on that note, in all fairness, i would love to continue a more civil debate via private message if you so desire, so as not to clutter another person's thread further; and would like to apologize if the comments i made were more offensive than would be considered normally acceptable as well, but in my own defense: the attack was made upon me first with no solid backing, based on misinterpretation of my statements, and i feel that i reacted accordingly

[Stewi]

first off, with your almighty g63 hybrid swap, did you have the bottom end done? no because the components usually come balanced from factory. when you are using aftermarket components for a full build, sometimes you will want to have everything rebalanced if you are attempting to streamline every aspect of the motors operation in order to make it work and flow together properly.

First off, remove your head from your ass and pay attention.

I have had a built bottom end in my car since day #1. So again, here you are running on and on about stuff you know nothing about.

also if you consider the fact that machining capabilities and the resulting qualities, you'll see why the balance/blueprint work was far more common and useful/applicable than it is today when in regards to a mild d.i.y. build. when using my original statement in regards to a conversion or swap, the work would not necessitate this sort of thing because you are already installing assembled, hopefully matched, components where the only reason to have the thing rebalanced, etc, would be able to be considered an "unnecessary" perfectionism in most cases.

So your saying that since manufacturing techniques and quality of engine internals have improved since "the old days" its acceptable to not have your parts balanced. Acceptable to who? Acceptable to the guy building the motor in his garage by himself with improper tools who doesnt have enough money to build the motor so he cuts any corner that he can to save money. Thats the only guys its acceptable to. Anyone with common sense who is going to man up and spend about $2000+ to build a bottom end wont have an issue spending another few hundred dollars to have it all balanced correctly. Yes brand new quality parts such as forged rods come in "matched sets" which say each rod is within spec weight wise compared to each other. That still doesnt mean you skip balancing.

in regards to sleeving the block. obviously you have no idea what you are talking about because had you been more interested in the field in which you pretend to be an enthusiast, you would know that a number of race applications involving the 4g63 involve sleeving the block because even though the cast iron block is much stronger than, for example, the newer 4b11 in the evo x, with repetitive use, and considering we are discussing a used motor here, it is still succeptible to wear and damage at super high output (please excuse the ford reference) applications, not to mention potential imperfections and impurities based on previous use and abuse that would lead to future failure, where boring and sleeving the block would be more effective than, say, simply honing the block and potentially resulting in thinner cylinder walls dependent on how much material is removed. i agree with you, though, that with this particular example, this sort of abuse or the conditions that would necessitate such heavy modification would be highly unlikely to be seen.

How many people do you know with sleeves in their 4G63 motor? Not talking about people your looking up on the internet via google, I mean how many people do you actually know running a sleeved block in a 4G63? The fastest EVO's in the country are using regular cast iron 4G63 and 4G64 blocks. English Racings EVO put down over 1100whp on a stock .020 overbored 4G64 block. I have quite a few friends with high powered 4G63 and 4G64 motors, not a single one of them runs sleeves. The most common time you see people putting sleeves in these blocks is in order to save the block, meaning the block has already been bored as much as it can be, the walls arent straight or are damaged, and rather than buying a new block, they sleeve it to render the block re-usable.

Secondly, where do you get off saying that I pretend to be an enthusiast for this platform?I hold a good amount of credibility both on this platform and this forum due to my experience and willingness to help others. I have been to hell and back with the 8g platform as a whole.

What do you have done to your car? Clear corners and a JDM air freshener? You have only been a member for about 2 months, you have 44 posts, a ton of negative rep and looking at the info you have contributed to the site, it seems like all your good for is looking up JDM part#'s, rambling misinformation about stuff you know nothing about and being an douche bag.

edit: i also want to thank whomever it was (not in this thread per-se, but somewhere on here) that gave me the -2k rating to make me the supreme douche that i am today. that's awesome and i'm glad i could contribute to the community in such a way

If I knew who it was I would shake their hand. Your just about as bad as TJ but he was far more amusing and actually had first hand experience with the information he posted about.

would like to apologize if the comments i made were more offensive than would be considered normally acceptable as well, but in my own defense: the attack was made upon me first with no solid backing, based on misinterpretation of my statements, and i feel that i reacted accordingly

No solid backing whatsoever, I (stewi) have never even worked on my own galant, I even bring my car to the dealer to have the air-freshener replaced.

Have a nice day. : )

[Corey2kG]

wow you obviously are lost on building engines....If the evo was putting down 300-500 WHP (non turbo/turbo) with stock internals then we woundnt be doing head swaps and internal builds, WED JUST SWAP THE WHOLE FUCKING ENGINE.

Your asking if you should port your Block. that means you dont even know why your using your block and swapping heads. Cast iron cant be polished and porting it would weaken it. you ever see grand ma polishing her cast iron skillets....???......NO cause YOU CANT FUCKING POLISH CAST IRON.
Your asking how much whp you get from doing the swap without us having ifor like what size internals your upgrading to what size injectors your gonna use fuel ratio fuel pump fuel type manual or auto blah blah blah. do us a favor and just buy another car. get a honda and you can bolt a blender to the fuse box and get a good 100 whp and smoothies to go too.

Oh man you just made my day ROTFL. Out of heated discussions can be some good humor. As far as building engines I've overhauled stock engines with stock parts nothing performance though. This thread is a good read though.

[03chi-town0z]

Have a nice day. : )

thanks!

[qnz]

I never heard of DSMs or Evos sleeving their blocks. We dont drive Hondas now....

Anyone who is going to spend $2000+ on building a shortblock is going to spend the extra $100 investment to balance it. You balance your wheels right, and they dont cost $2000 or spin at 6000rpm.

[duh2150]

He said Stewi was dumb, it made me ROFL, I can vouch for Stewi he knows what hes talking about because I did the swap also, but IMO I think this thread should be deleted, due to the fact of stupidity that fills this subject.

[Stewi]

I personally LOL'd and almost fell down laughing when he was so quick to point out that I have a stock factory bottom end : )

I have to agree though, while sort of amusing, this thread is full of fail, rid this place of this rubbish.

[qnz]

tsk tsk.

We cant just ban everyone who disagrees with you. That would be communist.

You guys said your peace. Leave it alone

[Stewi]

Who said anything about banning?

When I said rid this place of the rubbish I was referring to the thread as a whole, not one thing useful in this thread.

[qnz]

agreed