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Was that just slapping on the headers or did the car have other mods?
This may not be the right spot for this post, and mods, feel free to move it.
There's an article in this month's import tuner about a buildup they did on a 2002 Acura RSX Type S. They dyno'd before and after every mod they put on. The most interesting one was a set of DC Sports Headers.
Before Headers: 178.1 WHP, 127.5 Ft/Lbs
After Headers: 178.7 WHP, 128.9 Ft/Lbs
Cost $400, Total Gain 0.7WHP, 1.4 Ft/Lbs :shock:
That pretty much reflects the same crappy numbers we and the club3g folks saw on the Galants and Eclipses with RPW and Kamikaze headers. So it seems like bottom line, headers really aren't going to give you a bang for your buck regardless of who makes them or what type of car. Save the money for a better ROI if you're going to go the power/speed route.
Chip
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Was that just slapping on the headers or did the car have other mods?
I can understand for the RSX, it's already really free breathing, thus how it yields those HP numbers from a measely 4 banger. The 6g72 though is what's killing us.
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"I have not failed 700 times. I have not failed once. I have succeeded in proving that those 700 ways will not work. When I have eliminated the ways that will not work, I will find the way that will work." - Thomas Edison
I need the RPW headers to run with my supercharger, so far those with RPW headers are seeing more horsepower compared to those running the supercharger with other companies headers.
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Matt
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Los)</div><div class='quotemain'>Chip
Was that just slapping on the headers or did the car have other mods?</div>
There were other mods, but that was the Dyno result before and after the headers. They got like 10HP from the intake.
Chip
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After this I don't feel so bad...
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reminds me of sport compact car back in 99 i think when they put upgrades on a ford probe gt and didnt see any gains.... some parts work, some parts dont...thats how easy it is. sometimes upgrade parts work on one car but dont work on the other....
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I think the headers can provide gains, but not without ECU work.
damn - not even 1 hp - our #'s were better weren't they?
Semper Fi'
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Gilhuly)</div><div class='quotemain'>I think the headers can provide gains, but not without Â*ECU work.</div>
What kind of ECU work were you thinking about? I had the headers with an AFC altering my ECU signal and still registered little or no gain from the headers without the AFC.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(KinGAzteK02LA)</div><div class='quotemain'>damn - not even 1 hp - our #'s were better weren't they?</div>
No, not a whole lot. If I remember right, one of us had 1HP and one had about 4HP. Mante will remember the exact numbers. I was too busy being disappointed with my own. LOL
Chip
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now i hope this lays to rest the few idiots on the board AND IN THE 3GUNLIMITED group that still has it burned in there heads that headers make significant gains....The last person that decided to back something that wasnt true I embarrassed his dumb ass and personally dont have a problem doing it again....
the warning has been made public!
edited: my mistake whoops
Damn well it seems, thats one mod that is still really up in the air for a lot of headz.. o well..
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yup i saw similar results when they did it to an integra way back...with dc sports headers.
Bernard who was that guy from 3g that was saying something ridiculous about the gains you could gain from headers. Did you post a link already on the 3g site to let him know he needs to run out and get that issue, cuase of the incredible HP gains from Headers.......Originally Posted by Mante
ahh I cant remember his name but its the hurb with the 3g,,red with the big Fake and fruity Wing on the back oh yea with a Nx sticker on the side. the kid sounds like he was from mansass's VA aka joke "umm I like the sticker cause it makes fast cars want to race me..." = he loses alot. Dia asked me to leave it be cause they were tight so I will hahah whoops to late. He said the rpw headers give a guarantee'd 40 whp hahaha when I said I can give/show him physical evidence he rather believe a website....dunce award goes tooooo...
And you wonder why I walked away while he was talkin....
Aww damn I'm sorry I missed that. You guys gotta let me know next time you go to Sports Authority. I'll show him RPW headers and my dyno sheet and if he can find 40HP somewhere in those pipes, I'll unbolt them and give them to him right there on the parking lot.
Chip
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It's 40 hp to the psyche...the psyche I tell you!!I'll show him RPW headers and my dyno sheet and if he can find 40HP somewhere in those pipes, I'll unbolt them and give them to him right there on the parking lot.
"Daisy tumbled short of his dreams, not through her own fault, but because of the colossal vitality of his illusion... No amount of fire or freshness can challenge what a man will store up in his ghostly heart. " - F. Scott Fitzgerald, The Great Gatsby
"I have not failed 700 times. I have not failed once. I have succeeded in proving that those 700 ways will not work. When I have eliminated the ways that will not work, I will find the way that will work." - Thomas Edison
It's 40 hp to the psyche...the psyche I tell you!!I'll show him RPW headers and my dyno sheet and if he can find 40HP somewhere in those pipes, I'll unbolt them and give them to him right there on the parking lot.
I Shook You At The Track, My Boyz Threw Asprin On The Floor, They Said Now You Gotta Headache...
The illiterate of the twenty-first century will not be those who can not read or write, but those who can not learn, un-learn and re-learn.
Ok so spending 5 bills on headers will not get you much HP.
That's good news....LOL
But then why is the S/C crowd saying that they need them for the S/C?
Why I got half a mind to...ahhh...never mind I just got half a mind.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jiul)</div><div class='quotemain'>Ok so spending 5 bills on headers will not get you much HP.
That's good news....LOL
But then why is the S/C crowd saying that they need them for the S/C?</div>
Because they're running forced induction. The reason why we believe the headers are not adding much gains is not that the factory exhaust isn't restrictive, but rather our engines themselves may be the reason. Once you start running forced induction, the intake and combustion restrictions are pretty much blown away, and you will want a freer flowing exhaust.
"Daisy tumbled short of his dreams, not through her own fault, but because of the colossal vitality of his illusion... No amount of fire or freshness can challenge what a man will store up in his ghostly heart. " - F. Scott Fitzgerald, The Great Gatsby
"I have not failed 700 times. I have not failed once. I have succeeded in proving that those 700 ways will not work. When I have eliminated the ways that will not work, I will find the way that will work." - Thomas Edison
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