Badly installed NOS scary

[Nick VR4]

Not installed well
http://www.stealth-3000gt.st/FAQnitrousX.htm

Nitrous Oxide systems can give racers that "extra edge" that may put them in the winner's circle. Our own Jack T recorded the fastest 1/4 mile time EVER for a Stealth or 3000GT using a Nitrous system. Handled and installed correctly, they are reasonably safe, but this is one system that we should avoid of, IMO...

This example was a badly-installed Nitrous Express kit (not to be confused with the NoS brand). They wired up the heater directly to 12v (not on a temp switch) and left it on. Then they had TWO pressure release vents on - instead of one - which doubled the emergency release pressure. The car owner claims a malfuntioning safety valve/disc/cap. (?) And below you can see the results.

Fortunately the car was garaged, so no one was hurt. This wasn't a 3S car (it was a modded '91 Nissan Maxima owned by Doyle Schoenberger of Ohio). But these photos bear looking at, just so you know what you're dealing with when you consider adding a shot of Nitrous. This was a professional installation on a spotlessly clean engine, with the bottle kept safely (?) in the trunk!
The trunk lid (& spoiler) was blown halfway through the garage door




Both rear quarter panels peeled back like a banana,
rear window blown out, nothing left but the trunk floor.


Surveying debris; even Olds '98 six feet away was damaged.


Observe what an exploding tank of compressed N-O can do
if it has a malfuntioning safety valve/disc/cap.
Lower right is black cabinet that was blown apart.

[jluv97]

:shock:

[Strahan]

Owners site:

http://www.enhancedhealth.com/nitrousexpress.htm

[Fishboy55]

Well I read that with interest and this guy is an idiot from several points. First he wired his bottle heater to an unswitched power source and left it unattended for 2.5 hours. DICK!!!

Second, he's suing Nitrous Express and the manufacturer of the bleeder valve but refuses to give either of them any of the evidence, like the bottle. But yet he just wants them to pay up with no investigation. DICK!!!!

Third he posted all of this disparaging information on the web at advise of his counsel (lawyer). Now he's being sued for libel because the web is considered printed material and he can't substantiate the claims that anything was defective since he won't relaease the evidence. DICK!!!

The lesson here is, if you're gonna juice, don't be a dick. If you choose not to follow the manufacturer's instructions when you do your own install, don't blame anybody else for you being a dick. Take responsibility for your own stupidity.

[seth98esT]

what a moron

[Titanium2K2]

:shock: HOLY SHITBALLS!!!!!

[4G64T]

hahahahhahahhahahahhahahh that fucked up damn.... what was he trying to do lol

[4g64terror]

:twisted: he even looks like a dumbass. ricers like that give good decent import enthusiasts a bad name....make sure u guys read the part on his website about when nitrous express releases a statement..they print it on their website and after every point NX makes he add some smart ass comment about what they stated,,,,the more i read it the more pissed i get
plain and simple he left his freakin bottle heater on...any idiot knows that if u leave it on the damn bottle will get too hot and overpressurize. what an idiot...also guys look for the extreme use of double negatives throughout doyles dumbass comments..i especially like the "momma did not raise no dummy" comment at the end

[4g64terror]

i cant help it guys i gotta post this letter it shows the guys intelligence level...everyone start emailing the guy until his computer blows up..spread this message too guys we need to back NX because they are a great company...post this topic on every forum u guys are on..from here on out its the dumbass talking about the letter NX sent..
CAPS=NX
lowercase=dumbass

This is what nitrous express is putting out to people that email them-- someone sent it to us-- they (Mike woods) is really doing his business more injustice than what has already happened to them. we state the facts, nothing else, don't have nothing to hide, just want to make history so this does NOT happen AGAIN!! The safety standards have to raised!! NX does have this current writing that mike originally wrote (that we added the truth to)... all of Mike's writing is in caps...



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TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:

RE: NITROUS BOTTLE FAILURE

SINCE WE HAVE BEEN TRIED AND CONVICTED VIA THE INTERNET, WE FEEL IT IS ONLY FAIR THAT WE TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO STATE THE FACTS OF THIS INCIDENT AS WE ARE ABLE TO DETERMINE THEM FROM MR. SCHOENBERGER'S OWN WEB SITE.

1. THE NITROUS BOTTLE WAS OVERFILLED BY 1.5LBS. HE STATES HIS BOTTLE WAS COMPLETELY FULL AT 35LBS. THE ACTUAL CAPACITY, 33.5LBS, IS CLEARLY PRINTED ON THE BOTTLE LABEL.

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that was a typo mike... bottle was not overfilled... read statement again http://www.healthyhome.net/statement.htm are you saying Jeg's does NOT know how to fill a bottle?

2. THE BOTTLE HEATER WAS LEFT "ON" AND UNATTENDED FOR 5 HOURS.

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where oh where did you get this?? 2-21/2 hours max!! can't you read my statement? yes unattended, duh, didn't know it was on, would never leave it on knowingly... who is talking to you!

3. THE BOTTLE VALVE WAS LEFT IN THE CLOSED POSITION, EVEN THOUGH IT CLEARLY STATES ON THE HEATER ITSELF "CAUTION DO NOT OPERATE HEATER WITH BOTTLE VALVE CLOSED"

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boy oh boy... duh! who leaves a heater on unattended-- DID NOT KNOW IT GOT TURNED ON... had valve closed 'cause wasn't using system, it had been off all week-- Sat. afternoon worked on car's computer so we could go to track that day... NXs instructions are "turn bottle valve closed after every run"...


4. THE HEATER WAS WIRED IMPROPERLY. IN THE INSTRUCTIONS IT CLEARLY STATES "THE HEATER POWER SOURCE IS TO BE FROM A SWITCHED SUPPLY" IE: WHEN THE IGNITION SWITCH IS IN THE "OFF" POSITION THE HEATER CANNOT BE ACCIDENTALLY LEFT ON.

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so it does-- BUT that does not excuse the little disc from blowing, does it??!! that is what it is there for-- SAFETY!! by having it on the toggle switch, should NOT make a difference. it would of blew no matter where it was hooked up at, SOMETHING MALFUNCTIONED!

5. THE HEATER POWER SWITCH, WHICH HAS A RED WARNING LIGHT TO ALERT THE OPERATOR THAT THE HEATER IS IN THE "ON" POSITION WAS MOUNTED OUT OF SIGHT OF THE DRIVER. THIS IS CONTRARY TO THE INSTRUCTIONS.

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where do you get off saying this?? your assumption mike is very questionable, 'cause it is untrue...

6. THE SAFETY PRESSURE RELIEF DEVISE, WHICH IS DESIGNED TO PREVENT THIS TYPE OF FAILURE, WAS DISASSEMBLED AND REASSEMBLED BY MR. SCHOENBERGER.

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assuming again mike??!! who lied to you??!! just the facts, and that is wrong, as you know...

THESE ARE SOME POINTS THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED:

1. WHY DOES MR. SCHOENBERGER REFUSE TO TURN OVER THE REMAINS OF THE NITROUS BOTTLE TO AN INDEPENDENT LABORATORY. THIS BOTTLE AND VALVE MUST BE EXAMINED TO DETERMINE THE CAUSE OF THIS ACCIDENT AND WHO'S PRODUCT, IF ANY, IS AT FAULT.

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Our council has all the evidence-- when they release it to a lab, then a lab gets it-- not until then...

2. MR. SCHOENBERGER DEMANDS IMMEDIATE COMPENSATION BUT REFUSES TO COOPERATE IN THE INVESTIGATION WHICH WILL DETERMINE WHO SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS COMPENSATION.

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no we are just being wise as serpents & harmless as doves-- on this...

3. MR. SCHOENBERGER DEMANDS $500,000.00 TO TAKE DOWN HIS WEB SITE.

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no, it is just our leverage to warn people that safety measures have to be raised.... it may stay up, our council will direct us there... 500K is not a concrete figure, it may be more-- our council will decide...

4. MR. SCHOENBERGER REFUSES TO ACCEPT ANY REASONABLE TIMETABLE TO COMPLETE THE INVESTIGATION, DEMANDING IMMEDIATE COMPENSATION, WHILE AT THE

SAME TIME DELAYING THE PROCESS BY REFUSING TO LET AN INDEPENDENT LABORATORY EXAMINE THE EVIDENCE.

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repeating yourself....

5. NITROUS EXPRESS HAS NEVER REFUSED TO TALK TO MR. SCHOENBERGER OR REFUSED TO HELP HIM IN ANY WAY THAT WE CAN HOWEVER HE CONTINUES TO IMPLY THAT WE ARE NOT COOPERATING.

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when we have to call you 4 times (the week before website was put up)-- then you still wouldn't believe what we told Brian & Ricky. mike you finally called, gave us a story 'cause you wanted site down... even had to call to give you Luxfer's #s on bottle, before you finally called...

ANY REASONABLE PERSON SHOULD BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT UNTIL FAULT, IF ANY, IS DETERMINED THEN NO COMPENSATION CAN BE PAID. MR. SCHOONER SHOULD NOT BE

AFRAID TO HAVE THE EVIDENCE EXAMINED UNLESS HE HAS SOMETHING TO HIDE.

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boy, how can you say this? we are actively waiting our council's instruction... YOU GET THE BOTTLE-- IT GETS THROWN IN DUMPSTER-- MAMMA' DID NOT RAISE NO DUMMY...

MIKE WOOD, PRESIDENT

NITROUS EXPRESS, INC.

cc: our council has been faxed this email, they will be contacting you....

Doyle & Victoria

JCHG1/dtsvs

[4g64terror]

email the dumbass
[email protected] :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[HeadAche]

Well he's just a dick, some people should never have nitrous.. o well..

[Strahan]

The guy has a good reason but a bad methodology. I'd agree he's an idiot, but then again NX should not have designed a nitrous bomb either. I also would not give NX the bottle. I'd give it to a independent third party for analysis. It may find some way of "disappearing" or convienantly having no defects. Considering that a part of the market of people who buy nitrous is rice boys and young people, they should engineeer safeguards in against bad installs. A bottle BOV device should function as designed and make an explosion like that impossible.

On the other hand.. find an old/used bottle on Ebay cheap, refill it and attach the heater to a +12v battery and you have a neat little explosive device you can leave under some assholes car I wonder how long it takes to go critical once it starts to heat, assuming its BOV is faulty.

[Ghost Beat]

wow thats some crazy stuff..

[4g64terror]

lol yessss instant bomb lmao

[IllestGalant]

wow :shock: don't wouldn't you think that running the heater from a constant 12volts would leave it on all the time. in his defense the heater should have a cutoff or should only reach a certain temperature.

[Fishboy55]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IllestGalant)</div><div class='quotemain'>wow :shock: don't wouldn't you think that running the heater from a constant 12volts would leave it on all the time. in his defense the heater should have a cutoff or should only reach a certain temperature.</div>
No, No, he's got no fucking defense. The guy is a dumbass. It says "Don't wire the heater to a constant 12V supply." He chose to ignore that warning, wired it to his headlight fuse and left it turned on. The stupid ass got what he deserves. End of story. The only thing that would have been more ironic is if he was in the car at the time. Then he would have at least been a Darwin Award nominee.

[Max_Jinas]

Isn't it hilarious that Mr. bomb-in-the-trunk talks alot like the characters from allyourbase??

[Khopari]

what dum asss DICK HEAD//