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Reply With Quote<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Hmm.. I’ve missed this post for a while... and I refuse to get into a turbo this and SC that discussion... but May I add while your right, *we have never said that the RIPP SDS makes more power or will make more power than a turbo... In fact we barley mention the word turbo in any of our posts..... *
If you want to talk facts... it's no problem... I will be glad to fill in your blanks... the TC is 16-19% more powerful over a broad spectrum.. it will always be... but be quick to point out also that the SC is 85-90% more reliable in every shape way and form.... Also your talking TC in general on all applications, we are talking SC on THIS APPLICATION... we have TC this engine in this car.. and it failed miserably, for several reasons....</div>
How is a supercharger any more reliable? If you put synthetic oil into a turbo car ever 2.5k-3k miles, pay attention for oil leaks, look at your gagues and know what they mean, properly cool and warm up the motor before you turn off and drive your car then you can easily and safely run a turbo. 1 and 2g cars run just fine on a 14b/T25 till around 100k miles then the turbo needs a rebuild usually. I don't see how that is much of a problem. 100k miles on a forced induction car isn't a bad deal.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Now, getting back to facts... RIPP is responsible for the most powerful and fastest 3G or rather 6G72 powered cars in the country (all 130 of them), we have done extensive research on the subject and found that our SC at 11psi only robs 7-11hp... Hmmm 7-11hp but get 135hp, run correctly and be backed by a company and customer service second to none... followed by a 2 year warrantee....</div>
Facts? I've been saying facts this whole time. I'm talking strictly 4g64/4g63 cars. I personally don't know anything at all about 6a motors, that is definitly a different ball of wax. If I were to do a TT 6a motor, I'd go with the stock turbos from a 3si, thus potential for 300 hp with stock turbos and less weight than a 3si.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Hey! you want more power... more power to you.... but don't go off topic, or hide behind the message your trying politely to interject... There is way more pros to cons on the SDS than I even need to list....The TC almost undoubtedly needs piston to run, as the piston have very high ring landings with porous metal, which does not like the heat generated by the turbo…</div>
I'm not hiding, I was telling people that a turbo is the way to go. I never once said anything at all about hiding. Far as i know people can speak their minds and interject if they like. Pistons on a 4g64 will run just fine with a T25/14b. If you go higher, yes you will need pistons. 4g64 motors have the same pistons as a 2g, which like I've said before, and like dsmtalk.com has also proven, run just fine to about 300 hp, 400 for 1g big rods.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Your point is… the TC will just surge boost on at a later RPM… and if I may, and with all due respect… how do you plan on controlling this boost surge, in relation to the timing and fuel? </div>
Fuel - pocketlogger with a short term fuel trim +5%.
Timing? Why is this a problem? If i wanted to get nuts with this I suppose I could go 63/64 hybrid and put dsmlink and adjust the timing right there...? Does that answer your question?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Your points towards the “Linear feel” or Dynamic boost curve” is exactly the reason you should go with a SC over a TC… the TC has no consistence… you seem very up to speed with the info about why the TC is better, you neglect to inform the rest of the board, that the ECU’s in these cars are ADAPTIVE, so please, inform us as to how the adaptive technology of the ECU will deal with a variable boost and fuel curve…</div>
I like liberal sprinkling of buzz words in there. "adaptive, technology," It's just an ECU, and it's just going to learn yes. You simply stick an AFC in front of it. The ECU will see the see the same voltages as it was in the first place and will simply cope with the new AFC's interpertation of how things should be. New injectors are a must 450s at least with a small turbo. I'm still trying to understand how you aren't hitting fuel cut on the stock injectors with any boosted system. Max duty should have been hit a long time ago on the stock 4g motor cars. Boost is not unpredictable. If you have a given turbo and you are spooling it at point x, the boost usually will be the same if you run WOT. That's an easy way to tell if you have a problem in the system actually. If you are having odd quantities of boost popping up for some unexplicable reason.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>The SC consistence is what makes it reliable… the boost curve will always be the same, over and over… once the ECU learns it, it starts to maximize it’s own power curve, this combined with the injectors and supplied fuel upgrades makes it a complete and reliable package….</div>
Yes, the stock ECU will indeed benefit from using a supercharger. Any aftermarket ECU/hacked MAS/GM MAS combo will provide a better setup for a turbo. Yes, you will get consistence out of a supercharger. Just like you will out of a properly tuned turbo. Like you said earlier if you want to talk facts, keep it at that. If you spend the time on the dyno an get the tuning right, you can get a turbo to pull consistent runs without the headaches and wallet aches. If you slap a turbo on and never dyno it and never look at what you need to fix, and stay with a narrowband O2 sensor, you will have a car on blocks. If you put a wideband, and pay the time on the dyno, then you will get the results you are after.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Fact is your investing into a SYSTEM that was designed to work properly in every aspect of the experience.... Power, drivability, install, and support... you don't find this in your group (6G72) unless you own a Supra or Honda, and they are Japanese companies with High Ticket prices...</div>
Not just supras and hondas go fast when turboed. Forgetting anything involving an SR/RB motor there aren't you? What about the 1.8T motors for VW's? EJ20? What about non-2jz toyotas? What about 3sGTE setups? 4AGE? I think you neglected a great deal of really potent motors there. That was kind of off topic there, but the point is that no there isn't much 6a motor support. This is fact. You have created a good kit, I am not disputing that. It's cool, but it is wayyy too deep of a pocket for my taste. Turbo setups can be basically grafted from a 1/2g, and will work just fine for less cash and have equal or more potential. Another point I suppose, is that if i wanted to, I could go buy a Greddy 2g kit and simply use that with a hybrid setup and still probably come out cheaper than your kit, with the same level of reliability.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>While the majority of the posters seem to agree with the consistent fact we have brought up time and time again, we don't ever want to loss sight of the fact that right now.. we have the most comprehensive packages on the market... </div>
Yes, I never once questioned the build quality of your materials or the amount of time and effort expended into making the project a reality. Your kit is defintily for the plug-and-play type of person who cannot do without a huge user's manual to show him/her where to plug things in, and where to bolt things to. That is fine for the vast majority of people.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Ohh and we have been done with Stg 2 for some time now.... but have not announced it....in due time....
After all... who wants a more powerful broken car?</div>
All DSM's break...in due time. It is fate.
Originally Posted by Strahan
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