What do you think this car would run?

[Xrs2]

What do you guys think a 02 V6 with CAI, Headers, Torque Convertor.

They say that headers drop about 1/2+ sec off your 1/4 times. Also the TC is supposed to drop it by what? 1/2 to 1 sec according to Relzo.

Stock V6 runs about 15.6-8ish from the time slips I saw. Some sites say longer tho.

So mid 14's? That sound about right? Just trying to figure out what I'm gonna end up here with. I have headers already (CMF being installed as we speak), CAI (Injen, already installed), but no full exhaust. And next is going to be a Torque Convertor (Relzo). After that a NX Wet system (Nothing too serious prolly 50 shot). I'm hoping to hit the 13's after that. Just trying to get my expectations right.

Also with a good tune you could get some more ponies outta there.

I seached around but couldn't find a similar setup that hit the track. Anyone have something similar or know about what time it should run?

Sorry for the n00b question. But search wasn't working and I'm stupid. Just double checking that I'm not fooling myself here.

Also if you have any suggestions for other mods that will help. No FI tho. And I dont really want to start on the internals.

[Jet Black]

Your a little too optimistic. Stock V6 Galants run a mid-16 second quarter mile. Stock 5spd V6 Eclipse's on the other hand run mid-15s.

I dont think you'll come anywhere close to 13 seconds with your setup. In fact good luck breaking into mid-14s.

Just to add, you can see better gains by tuning your car.

[ChikagoGTZ]

You may get to mid 14s if you strip the interior, seats, sound proofing, and run with rear donuts....and have my 95 lb wife drive for you.

[Xrs2]

Even with a tune and a 50 shot? That seems like it would be enough to hit at least the low 14's. But I don't really know, just seems like it.

[Jet Black]

Even with a tune and a 50 shot? That seems like it would be enough to hit at least the low 14's. But I don't really know, just seems like it.

Nowhere close to low 14s. To put it simply, most turbo 5spd V6 Eclipe's run mid-high 13s (after proper tuning). You will not get anywhere close to that on simply NA mods. Even with a 100 shot, I would be highly spectical if you could approach 13s. Our cars weigh significantly more than the Eclipse.

[Xrs2]

Speaking of weight, what is a 02 GTZ curb weight. Ever single page I look at has something different.

3274 This is the heaviest I have found. And seems to be correctish.

Trying to guess-timate the hp to weight ratios.

195 / 3274 = 0.0595601710 hp/pound

So if you drop the car by 50 pounds lets say
That would be...

195 / 3224 = 0.0604838709

To retain this new hp to weight ratio (with the stock weight) the car would need

0.0604838709 x 3274 = 198 hp

So every 100 pounds is 6 crank hp.

So with just 24 more crank hp you could compete with a galant that weighs 400 pounds heavier. That seems rediculous. Even if we are 200 pounds heavier than a eclipse, what makes them 1 second faster? 5-speed? Because its not the weight (theoretically). Seems like 5-speed or high stall torque convertor is the biggest bang for your buck besides n02.

Anyone running a 50 shot? It must take 1/2+ second off Q mile times. right? Haha I don't know

So that seems like

16.5 (stock car) - 1 for (Stall convertor) - 1/2 for n02 (or you think a little bit more than that? 25% power increase is alot) - 1/2 for Headers (which is only about what 20hp? 50 should be more than 1/2 but hell if I know) = high 14's or low 15's

This more reasonable as a goal? Or higher time you think?

Is safcII and a tune worth anything substantial?

Haha sorry for this newbie-ness, but there is a really huge lack of time slips for 8G galants. Not sure what mods do what.

-Brian

[Jet Black]

Speaking of weight, what is a 02 GTZ curb weight. Ever single page I look at has something different.

3274 This is the heaviest I have found. And seems to be correctish.

Thats the lightest I've seen it yet. My guesstimate is between 3300 and 3500.

Trying to guess-timate the hp to weight ratios.

195 / 3274 = 0.0595601710 hp/pound

So if you drop the car by 50 pounds lets say
That would be...

195 / 3224 = 0.0604838709

To retain this new hp to weight ratio (with the stock weight) the car would need

0.0604838709 x 3274 = 198 hp

So every 100 pounds is 6 crank hp.

So with just 24 more crank hp you could compete with a galant that weighs 400 pounds heavier. That seems rediculous.

There are many more factors that make a car faster or slower than just weight to horsepower ratio.

Even if we are 200 pounds heavier than a eclipse, what makes them 1 second faster? 5-speed? Because its not the weight (theoretically).

It IS the weight, as well as the extra gear that makes the Eclipse 1 second faster.

Seems like 5-speed or high stall torque convertor is the biggest bang for your buck besides n02.

Two mutually exclusive products. You can't have a high-stall and a 5 spd. Though you are right in that the 5spd is your biggest bang for the buck (next to NO2).

Anyone running a 50 shot? It must take 1/2+ second off Q mile times. right? Haha I don't know

So that seems like

1/2 second is very a realistic expectation.

16.5 (stock car) - 1 for (Stall convertor) - 1/2 for n02 (or you think a little bit more than that? 25% power increase is alot) - 1/2 for Headers (which is only about what 20hp? 50 should be more than 1/2 but hell if I know) = high 14's or low 15's

This more reasonable as a goal? Or higher time you think?

Is safcII and a tune worth anything substantial?

Haha sorry for this newbie-ness, but there is a really huge lack of time slips for 8G galants. Not sure what mods do what.

-Brian

First off check out either club3g.com or neweclipse.org. One of those sights has a list of mods v. time slips thread. Also I don't know if a stall converter can shave off a whole second in itself. I do know that they become useful for turbo automatic guys, but hardly so for lightly-modded NA guys.

An SAFCII will help you tune your headers (and NO2) which will GREATLY improve there effectivness. Heck with a 75 shot, and proper tuning, you might have a shot at high-14s.*

Finally just to add, I don't want to start commenting too much on what you might be able to achieve, as I feel more and more like a bench racer. I suggest you give whatever you got so far a try.

*Totally unbridled speculation

[Xrs2]

I got my headers installed, with the carputer it runs 0-6 in 6.58 seconds best time. I still need to get catback tho. I have my winter rims on the car, so it def spins the tires to start out because the tread is at about 50% or less. The 6.58 run was with good traction. I ran about a 7.5 with the tires spinning decently at the start. I do not brake launch at all when I do these. With the intake and the heavier rims my car ran a 8.2 0-60. So the headers helped alot.

I got my relzo torque convertor today in the mail. Damn that box is heavy for its size. That should lower the 0-60 by alot from what I am told. Once I get the TC/Tranny cooler and car tuned I will take her to the track and let ya'll know how it goes.

I mean if the car runs 16.7ish 0-60 in 9.0 seconds, with a decent time shaved off the 0-60, and the headers add some nice high end power too. Well wish me luck. Do you guys brake launch at all with autos? If so what rpm you go at. Is there a better chnace of me breaking the tranny if I brkae launch it?