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Reply With Quotelol. +1Originally Posted by dknight3
maybe you should learn a thing or 2 on how a car works before you go changing anything
dude..... shocks and struts are the same thing just one is front and one is back.
lol. +1
maybe you should learn a thing or 2 on how a car works before you go changing anything
Just get a set of Eibach Pro-kit springs, and upgrade your strut/shock combo. My .02
lol. +1
maybe you should learn a thing or 2 on how a car works before you go changing anything
shocks and struts are
NOT the same... there are multiple threads about this along with proper definitions... maybe you sir, should learn a thing or two... anyway, lets make it more confusing... if money isn't an issue and you want the best ride, then get a full coilover suspension... tein ss-p are proven performers... but if i was to go all out, then i would go for the JICs... or you could spend alot less and get the same as the tein basic and get the megan coilover system, but i believe they have something out that is the same as the ss-p...
It seems like you dont know anything about suspension so maybe you should just get a simple setup for now like lowering springs and replace the stock struts/shocks with KYB's. Parts might cost you around $400 and a fair install price is around $200, and save the rest of your money for a set of 18's
Ive been thinking about going that route because i know suspension components do need to be replaced around every 60K. I dont know what the lifespan of coilovers is, but these Megan Racing coils cost $1050. So i prolly could go the less expensive route and invest money elsewhere. However, i need to buy something adjustable becasue hte weather up here can be quite unpredictable at times. But ive pretty much narrowed down my choices. Again, thanks to all of you who provided useful advice and suggestions.It seems like you dont know anything about suspension so maybe you should just get a simple setup for now like lowering springs and replace the stock struts/shocks with KYB's. Parts might cost you around $400 and a fair install price is around $200, and save the rest of your money for a set of 18's
http://www.meganracing.com/products/...d=622&catid=93
Most of these cars could probaly make it to 200k without changing the major pieces of the suspension with the exception of endlinks and maybe swaybar bushings so i wouldnt worry about that.
Adjustment is always nice to have but the coilover setups mentioned earlier (Tein, Megan, JIC, D2) arent meant to raise and lower a car depending on the weather, there "sole" purpose is for racing. Besides if you run them for an entire winter they will take a beating from all the road salt and will be real tough to adjust after. It would be a shame to do that to $1000-1700 investment.
If your really stuck on getting coilovers then look into the sleeve type coilovers from Skunk2 or Ground Control there about $300, my opinion is they ride to bouncy and the front struts always bottom out but some people here seem to like them. I prefer springs over the sleeve type coilovers because the ride is more comfortable.
Oh I almost forgot Tein also makes a basic kit that sells for around $700-800, I know it will dump your car but I have no idea how high they will raise it. You might want to find that out if you decide to get them.
The Tein Super Street Coil Over Dampers should lower you up to 2" I believe. Adjustable (from the cockpit with EDFC). These would be spring and dampers in one package. Carbing is a company that Tein distributes for. The strutbar they make seems to be premium quality. The D3 brand chassis kit will stiffen up the whole car so there's very little flex and it'll make things handle MUCH better. The rear ant-sway/roll bar will improve cornering.
Do some searches on here and on Google and you should be able to find all the info you could want on the subjects.
Good luck and feel free to buy my some of the above mentioned parts so long as you have money to burn! 8)
^^^ EDFC again does not adjust ride height but damper ONLY!
EDFC (Electronic Damping Force Controller)
6G72, like other have said, just get a spring/strut combo like teins/kyb agx or gr2s and a addco RSB. That combination or any spring/strut combo w/ the addco will make a hell of a difference in handling
Maybe down the line if you feel you need more control over your suspension then you can upgrade to coilovers.
As far as he is concerned shocks and struts are the same, since most people do the same thing with front and back. i just wanted to clarify that he should probably do the same thing to the front and back, okay?lol. +1
maybe you should learn a thing or 2 on how a car works before you go changing anything
shocks and struts are
NOT the same... there are multiple threads about this along with proper definitions... maybe you sir, should learn a thing or two... anyway, lets make it more confusing... if money isn't an issue and you want the best ride, then get a full coilover suspension... tein ss-p are proven performers... but if i was to go all out, then i would go for the JICs... or you could spend alot less and get the same as the tein basic and get the megan coilover system, but i believe they have something out that is the same as the ss-p...
I contacted Tein on the subject awhile ago, asking why their Scion is listed as having EDFC x2. They said that EDFC can be used to adjust more than one thing if the product is setup for it. In the Scion's case they are controlling ride height and dampening (a different EDFC wrench for each). The SS+Ps are only capable of having ride height adjusted with EDFC.
I dunt know about the Scion but there is no way you can hook up the perches electronically to go up and down by themselves...I contacted Tein on the subject awhile ago, asking why their Scion is listed as having EDFC x2. They said that EDFC can be used to adjust more than one thing if the product is setup for it. In the Scion's case they are controlling ride height and dampening (a different EDFC wrench for each). The SS+Ps are only capable of having ride height adjusted with EDFC.
this is how they look..
explain to me how you could possibly hook those up electronically to go up and down by themselves, while the wheel is on and the car on the ground?
Actually Teins have a coating of anti-rust on the perch threads... I use the car all winter long and t does take a beating from salt... and I just lowered it back down this weekend and it was nothin a little liquid wrench couldn't handle.
If you're paranoid like me, I would try to spray them with high pressure water As much as possible during the winter.
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6G72, like other have said, just get a spring/strut combo like teins/kyb agx or gr2s and a addco RSB. That combination or any spring/strut combo w/ the addco will make a hell of a difference in handlingIm going to check around at a couple of local shops today, and see how much installation is going to cost, and then ill make my decision from there. Ive got wheels coming, and ima need a decent set of brakes, so i prolly shouldnt spend too much money on suspension. Again thanks for the advice everyone. Ill let you guys know what happens.Xska55 Posted: 25 Mar 2007 09:53 pm Post subject:
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Most of these cars could probaly make it to 200k without changing the major pieces of the suspension with the exception of endlinks and maybe swaybar bushings so i wouldnt worry about that.
Adjustment is always nice to have but the coilover setups mentioned earlier (Tein, Megan, JIC, D2) arent meant to raise and lower a car depending on the weather, there "sole" purpose is for racing. Besides if you run them for an entire winter they will take a beating from all the road salt and will be real tough to adjust after. It would be a shame to do that to $1000-1700 investment.
If your really stuck on getting coilovers then look into the sleeve type coilovers from Skunk2 or Ground Control there about $300, my opinion is they ride to bouncy and the front struts always bottom out but some people here seem to like them. I prefer springs over the sleeve type coilovers because the ride is more comfortable.
Oh I almost forgot Tein also makes a basic kit that sells for around $700-800, I know it will dump your car but I have no idea how high they will raise it. You might want to find that out if you decide to get them
I'm just passing along what the Tein staff has told me. *shrugs*..... I'm starting to think I might be transposing in my mind another email conversation I had with them actually. Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure you're right.
Oh and I found the email about the EDFC x2. It was on a 99 Silvia with Super Racing Coilovers and it was one system for compression and another adjusting rebound.
stop giving people wrong information when you dont know how suspension works yourself. theyre coilovers. not airbags. edfc x2 controls rebound
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